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Post by LordyOfTheManor on Apr 28, 2009 21:13:42 GMT 1
What is the deal with him? I've noticed that all the other academy lads (that I'm aware of) who have not been offered deals at the club have left, with the exception of Heagney, who played in the 1-0 defeat to Blackburn at the weekend as well as the last reserve team game of the season. Is it possible that Lee Clark hasn't yet made his mind up on him or perhaps maybe Town Academy are low on strikers at the moment? Can anyone shed some light on this? www.htafc.com/page/AcademyNewsDetail/0,,10312~1640484,00.html |
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Post by yorkshiretripod on Apr 28, 2009 21:23:46 GMT 1
Last I heard from a mate who teaches at the school Heagney attended was that St Johnstone were taking a look at him. My mate had high hopes for Heagney having watched him on a few occasions, but he has even higher hopes for Adam Field, a midfielder, who is also an extremely bright lad. His mother used to work where I do and we talked about him often. It's good to see he has kept going and broken through. At one point I believe he was attracting interest from Arsenal and Liverpool.
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Post by jstorr13 on Apr 28, 2009 21:28:37 GMT 1
Adam Field. There's a name to watch out for.  . I'm a close mate of his and in my eyes he is a perfect replacement for Nathan Clarke in a few years. Built like a wall at just 16 years old, was offered a scholarship last month so watch out for him in the academy next season. |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 28, 2009 21:33:06 GMT 1
i hope he is stronger than Clarke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 21:39:38 GMT 1
i hope he is stronger than Clarke. Would be good if he is better than our most consistent performer over the last two seasons and the best centre back at the club currently. |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 28, 2009 21:42:06 GMT 1
i hope he is stronger than Clarke. Would be good if he is better than our most consistent performer over the last two seasons and the best centre back at the club currently. are you denying that Nathan Clarke is physically weak?. I wasn't commenting on his ability, but rather physical strength. If you haven't already noticed, he gets bullied by strong attackers. |
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Post by philex on Apr 28, 2009 21:54:49 GMT 1
Would be good if he is better than our most consistent performer over the last two seasons and the best centre back at the club currently. are you denying that Nathan Clarke is physically weak?. I wasn't commenting on his ability, but rather physical strength. If you haven't already noticed, he gets bullied by strong attackers. No, that's the guy next to him, Butler |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 28, 2009 21:59:36 GMT 1
Would be good if he is better than our most consistent performer over the last two seasons and the best centre back at the club currently. are you denying that Nathan Clarke is physically weak?. I wasn't commenting on his ability, but rather physical strength. If you haven't already noticed, he gets bullied by strong attackers. spot on hotdog |
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 28, 2009 22:00:04 GMT 1
Did they not say the next bunch coming into the acedemy where the best group we have had in along time, handed out 14 contracts or something? i take it this adam field is one of them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 22:09:52 GMT 1
Would be good if he is better than our most consistent performer over the last two seasons and the best centre back at the club currently. are you denying that Nathan Clarke is physically weak?. I wasn't commenting on his ability, but rather physical strength. If you haven't already noticed, he gets bullied by strong attackers. Yea I am, he has got evidently physically stronger and I would say Butler has lost more physical battles than clarke this season. Clarke has being player of the season for me. |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 28, 2009 22:13:38 GMT 1
are you denying that Nathan Clarke is physically weak?. I wasn't commenting on his ability, but rather physical strength. If you haven't already noticed, he gets bullied by strong attackers. Yea I am, he has got evidently physically stronger and I would say Butler has lost more physical battles than clarke this season. Clarke has being player of the season for me. im loosing the will to live if you think Nathan Clarke is physically strong. Honestly i really am.  |
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Post by specialun on Apr 28, 2009 22:26:26 GMT 1
If everyone had played as well* as Nathan Clarke this season, we'd have been promoted.
Edit - * consistently well
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Post by hotdog on Apr 28, 2009 22:30:36 GMT 1
If everyone had played as well as Nathan Clarke this season, we'd have been promoted. interesting comment you make there, considering that Nathan Clarke has rarely been in any league 1 team of the week, nor is he in the league 1 team of the year, or PFA league 1 team of the year. Nor did he even recieve an award from his fellow players and those within the club. He may have been the best of an average bunch of contenders, but i hardly think if we had 11 Nathan Clarke's we would have gone up this season, no chance im affraid. We would be the slowest team in the league and i dread to think how we would ever tackle Delroy Facey |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 28, 2009 22:32:06 GMT 1
If everyone had played as well as Nathan Clarke this season, we'd have been promoted. interesting comment you make there, considering that Nathan Clarke has rarely been in any league 1 team of the week, nor is he in the league 1 team of the year, or PFA league 1 team of the year. Nor did he even recieve an award from his fellow players and those within the club. He may have been the best of an average bunch of contenders, but i hardly think if we had 11 Nathan Clarke's we would have gone up this season, no chance im affraid. We would be the slowest team in the league and i dread to think how we would ever tackle Delroy Facey Butler is slower and weaker than Clarke, but don't let preconceptions get in your way  |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 28, 2009 22:37:02 GMT 1
interesting comment you make there, considering that Nathan Clarke has rarely been in any league 1 team of the week, nor is he in the league 1 team of the year, or PFA league 1 team of the year. Nor did he even recieve an award from his fellow players and those within the club. He may have been the best of an average bunch of contenders, but i hardly think if we had 11 Nathan Clarke's we would have gone up this season, no chance im affraid. We would be the slowest team in the league and i dread to think how we would ever tackle Delroy Facey Butler is slower and weaker than Clarke, but don't let preconceptions get in your way im not commenting on Butler. Dont put words into my mouth. Plus its not a preconception that Clarke is slow and weak, its true. Im not talking of comparative issues, and if i were i would also say that Butler is too slow as well. Look up the definition of preconception, because there is nothing preconcieved about my opinion of Clarke. I have watched him play over the years since his debut, and also i believe he has some qualities and was very very promising as a youngster, i believe that his pace has declined over the years and he is not physically strong enough at times. If you want me to go the trouble of listing a few examples i will do. But for now, and the most recent example of this is in relation to the Brighton game where Owusu bossed him at times. |
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Post by specialun on Apr 28, 2009 22:37:12 GMT 1
Nathan Clarke missed 5 games since turnip left...we conceded 2 gaols a game.
In the games Clarke played since turnip left we conceded just over 1 goal a game - in fact, our defensive record was something like the 2nd/3rd best in the division.
He was our most consistent player throughout the season.
Clearly a team of Nathan Clarke's wouldn't get pormoted - but if everyone else had been as consistently good as Clarke, we'd have certainly been in the play offs (imo!)
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Post by rage_of_ed on Apr 28, 2009 22:49:09 GMT 1
If everyone had played as well as Nathan Clarke this season, we'd have been promoted. interesting comment you make there, considering that Nathan Clarke has rarely been in any league 1 team of the week, nor is he in the league 1 team of the year, or PFA league 1 team of the year. Nor did he even recieve an award from his fellow players and those within the club. Does someone have to be in the teams of the week/year to be considered a decent player though? I'd argue....no.  |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 28, 2009 22:56:24 GMT 1
interesting comment you make there, considering that Nathan Clarke has rarely been in any league 1 team of the week, nor is he in the league 1 team of the year, or PFA league 1 team of the year. Nor did he even recieve an award from his fellow players and those within the club. Does someone have to be in the teams of the week/year to be considered a decent player though? I'd argue....no. I agree, there are most likely many good players who are not in the league 1 team of the year. But i just think that the comment, if we are using Nathan Clarke as a bench marker for the quality we need to get out of this league, then we are using the wrong bench marker. In my opinion. Im not denying that over the season, he may have been the most consistent player (but that is hardly a massive achievement considering what he has been up against, bearing in mind that this season we have all seen so so so so so so so many awful performances from the team). I would also like to add that if we are using one player from the team as a marker for quality then it should be Pilks. There is no doubt in my mind that if he had played another 15 games for us then he would have walked POTS. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 28, 2009 23:07:11 GMT 1
interesting comment you make there, considering that Nathan Clarke has rarely been in any league 1 team of the week, nor is he in the league 1 team of the year, or PFA league 1 team of the year. Nor did he even recieve an award from his fellow players and those within the club. He may have been the best of an average bunch of contenders, but i hardly think if we had 11 Nathan Clarke's we would have gone up this season, no chance im affraid. We would be the slowest team in the league and i dread to think how we would ever tackle Delroy Facey Butler is slower and weaker than Clarke, but don't let preconceptions get in your way Do you watch the same game as the rest of us??? |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 28, 2009 23:16:15 GMT 1
Butler is slower and weaker than Clarke, but don't let preconceptions get in your way Do you watch the same game as the rest of us??? what me? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 10:25:39 GMT 1
Clarke is probably one of the better centre backs in the division against a striker weaker than himself.
Against a stronger striker such as Howard at Leicester, he struggles.
As for Butler - he isn't fast enough or strong/dominant enough to be one of the best centre halfs in the division. He has had SOME good games for us though.
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Post by tkmaxx on Apr 29, 2009 12:34:01 GMT 1
What is the deal with him? I've noticed that all the other academy lads (that I'm aware of) who have not been offered deals at the club have left, with the exception of Heagney, who played in the 1-0 defeat to Blackburn at the weekend as well as the last reserve team game of the season. Is it possible that Lee Clark hasn't yet made his mind up on him or perhaps maybe Town Academy are low on strikers at the moment? Can anyone shed some light on this? www.htafc.com/page/AcademyNewsDetail/0,,10312~1640484,00.html A few clubs are looking at him and have offered trials and so he is keeping fit with us as we said we would be helping everyone of the released players out. That also suggests that none of the others have had any offers as of yet. As for Adam Field, he certainly stood out at the junior levels but that could be down to developing a lot quicker - too early to tell anything until the rest of the lads bulk up too so should be clearer in the next 12-18 months. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 29, 2009 12:37:14 GMT 1
Clarke is probably one of the better centre backs in the division against a striker weaker than himself. Against a stronger striker such as Howard at Leicester, he struggles. As for Butler - he isn't fast enough or strong/dominant enough to be one of the best centre halfs in the division. He has had SOME good games for us though. It was Butler who marked Howard at Leicester, and got destroyed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 12:43:38 GMT 1
Clarke is probably one of the better centre backs in the division against a striker weaker than himself. Against a stronger striker such as Howard at Leicester, he struggles. As for Butler - he isn't fast enough or strong/dominant enough to be one of the best centre halfs in the division. He has had SOME good games for us though. It was Butler who marked Howard at Leicester, and got destroyed. Sorry, just used Howard as an example of a strong striker and he was the first that sprung to mind. Basically, I don't think either of Clarke or Butler bully opponents as much as they need to. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 29, 2009 12:48:20 GMT 1
It was Butler who marked Howard at Leicester, and got destroyed. Sorry, just used Howard as an example of a strong striker and he was the first that sprung to mind. Basically, I don't think either of Clarke or Butler bully opponents as much as they need to. Ideally though you'd have a pair who compliment each others style. Looking at Butler's physique and lack of Footballing skill he should be the one that bullies strikers and throws his head at everything ala Terry or Vidic with Clarke as the more 'footballing' centre half like Ferdinand or Carvalho. Butler's been destoyed quite a few times this season, he just doesn't seem to use his physique to his advantage. Anyway, Dave Heagney? ;D |
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Apr 29, 2009 13:00:02 GMT 1
If everyone had played as well* as Nathan Clarke this season, we'd have been promoted. Edit - * consistently well aye! |
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Post by famoushtfc on Apr 29, 2009 13:38:13 GMT 1
hes got a trial with st johnstone at the wkend!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 14:10:57 GMT 1
Sorry, just used Howard as an example of a strong striker and he was the first that sprung to mind. Basically, I don't think either of Clarke or Butler bully opponents as much as they need to. Ideally though you'd have a pair who compliment each others style. Looking at Butler's physique and lack of Footballing skill he should be the one that bullies strikers and throws his head at everything ala Terry or Vidic with Clarke as the more 'footballing' centre half like Ferdinand or Carvalho. Butler's been destoyed quite a few times this season, he just doesn't seem to use his physique to his advantage. Anyway, Dave Heagney? ;D Exactly... Clarke's natural game as a centre back is to sweep and let the other centre back take the first ball or big man. But unfortunately Clarke over the years has had to take the first man due to been better than his defensive partners. The fact Clarke ends up taking the big man when partnered with Butler and taking into account the size of Butler speaks volumes about Butler for me... Clarke isn't the strongest but he is far from weak... He's wirey and gets between the man and ball well. His pace has declined a bit due to a couple of serious knee injuries granted. Owusu did not boss Clarke at all.. Owusu did nothing all game apart from score a 2 yard tap in when marked by Kelly (of which Butler lost out originally in the air to a smaller player) and miscontrol the ball out of play on several occasions. Whether people like it or not Clarke IS the benchmark for our defence as he's our best defender. Why certain sections of our support continue to barrack and get on Nathan Clarke's back is insane when instead they should be supporting and backing a Huddersfield Town academy product who's given 100% for the club over the past 7-8 years and continues to do so every game. Strange how no one has a pop at Butler who came here for the money and has turned in a lot of poor performances and not looked as good as the ones who went before him he was supposedly better than such as Mirf, McIntosh and Page. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 29, 2009 15:32:33 GMT 1
I know yeah - i mean - all he did was score his 6th goal in 6 games and his 14th in 28 this season. Rubbish. God help us if we signed a player like that. Much prefer my strikers to score zero goals or be registered for another club therefore not play one game.  Clarke is better than Butler. But individually no better than steady/average in this league - saying that he has had a decent season and should have won POTY. He will look better alongside someone commanding and with pace as we will (hopefully) see next season |
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Post by hughphamism on Apr 29, 2009 16:24:42 GMT 1
The players in the team of the week are usually only there if they've scored.
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. I'm a close mate of his and in my eyes he is a perfect replacement for Nathan Clarke in a few years. Built like a wall at just 16 years old, was offered a scholarship last month so watch out for him in the academy next season.
