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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jun 21, 2009 13:11:18 GMT 1
Out for a beer last night and someone told me that Nathan Clarke was going to Darlington?  ? Is there any substance to that? Same person stated that we had signd someone from Barnsley (did not say who) Again any susbtance in that |
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Post by dxterrier on Jun 21, 2009 13:13:47 GMT 1
The only substance would be alcohol IMO
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Post by E4b on Jun 21, 2009 13:17:22 GMT 1
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 21, 2009 13:19:13 GMT 1
We are after Kozluk for right back..... I think he would be good at right back if it comes off !
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Post by downatthepharm on Jun 21, 2009 13:20:36 GMT 1
We are after Kozluk for right back..... I think he would be good at right back if it comes off ! still a quality player ! Are you taking that from the guy who posted it the other day? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 21, 2009 13:22:35 GMT 1
No , Ive heard it elsewhere a few weeks ago, cant say its 100% but wouldnt surprise me at all
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Post by pozza on Jun 21, 2009 13:23:45 GMT 1
Out for a beer last night and someone told me that Nathan Clarke was going to Darlington? ? Is there any substance to that? Was said person on Smack? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 21, 2009 13:27:51 GMT 1
 If Nathan went to Darlington I will watch the sarfend match in a Leeds shirt and boxer shorts !!!
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Post by yettonhtfc on Jun 21, 2009 16:46:52 GMT 1
he has had a house built near where i live why would he move to darlington
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Post by panasonicgeese on Jun 21, 2009 19:22:53 GMT 1
No , Ive heard it elsewhere a few weeks ago, cant say its 100% but wouldnt surprise me at all I'll echo that as well! |
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Post by johns on Jun 21, 2009 19:29:40 GMT 1
lets hope darlo want him!! i will drive him there!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 20:08:03 GMT 1
lets hope darlo want him!! i will drive him there!! Yup, lets drive our most consistent player of the past 18 months and 2nd place in the POTS to another team. Makes perfect sense! I wish you were the manager instead of Clark who was impressed with him and decided to extend his contract... |
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Post by boothys9iron on Jun 21, 2009 20:23:32 GMT 1
lets hope darlo want him!! i will drive him there!! Yup, lets drive our most consistent player of the past 18 months and 2nd place in the POTS to another team. Makes perfect sense! I wish you were the manager instead of Clark who was impressed with him and decided to extend his contract... We could even throw Pilks and Smithies in with the deal, ya know get rid of a bit of dead wood!!! ;D ;D |
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Post by johns on Jun 21, 2009 20:32:00 GMT 1
i no worrying choice to give him a extended cotract after the amount of goals we have conceded over the last few seasons!!if iwas doing what he was doing i would have been fired years ago!! and second place in the pots of the year award wooooooooo!! mirf leaves and is now in the champ.butler was in champ and scunny wanted to keep him,clarke has played in champ and won promotion from this leauge ,that is why we either play butler with the new clarke or we get another center half and go up!!the goals against coloumn does not lie my freind!!
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Post by townfan on Jun 21, 2009 21:06:50 GMT 1
i no worrying choice to give him a extended cotract after the amount of goals we have conceded over the last few seasons!!if iwas doing what he was doing i would have been fired years ago!! and second place in the pots of the year award wooooooooo!! mirf leaves and is now in the champ.butler was in champ and scunny wanted to keep him,clarke has played in champ and won promotion from this leauge ,that is why we either play butler with the new clarke or we get another center half and go up!!the goals against coloumn does not lie my freind!! You are right,No the goals against column doesn't lie.However,a defence is made up of more than just Clarke ,we defend from the forwards, backwards to the keeper.The goals against isn't just down to Clarke!! Clarke happened to be the most consistant defender that we had through out the season IMHO |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jun 21, 2009 21:12:18 GMT 1
i no worrying choice to give him a extended cotract after the amount of goals we have conceded over the last few seasons!!if iwas doing what he was doing i would have been fired years ago!! and second place in the pots of the year award wooooooooo!! mirf leaves and is now in the champ.butler was in champ and scunny wanted to keep him,clarke has played in champ and won promotion from this leauge ,that is why we either play butler with the new clarke or we get another center half and go up!!the goals against coloumn does not lie my freind!! Well said |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 21:58:53 GMT 1
i no worrying choice to give him a extended cotract after the amount of goals we have conceded over the last few seasons!!if iwas doing what he was doing i would have been fired years ago!! and second place in the pots of the year award wooooooooo!! mirf leaves and is now in the champ.butler was in champ and scunny wanted to keep him,clarke has played in champ and won promotion from this leauge ,that is why we either play butler with the new clarke or we get another center half and go up!!the goals against coloumn does not lie my freind!! Well said It's not well said Mr B&W Clarke Basher  ... I agree the goals conceded is a worry but it's a little over simplistic to blame it on one man... 2nd in the POTS (1st on here) is good as it shows he was the top defensive performer last season. The 65 goals conceded last season had a lot more to do with messrs Lucketti, Butler, Skarz, Williams and Holdsworth than Nathan Clarke. Sure, Clarke isn't a world beater but sadly he has been our best defender for 18 months now and I encourage anyone to watch the goal highlights of last season and see where the fault lies. For the most part it's a cross into the box that Butler fails to deal with... Leicester A (4), Crewe A (2), Brighton H (1), Hartlepool A (3) to name a few examples. Lee Clark isn't stupid and for this reason he's signed Peter Clarke who apparently is a defensive specialist from crosses and set peices into the box. Butler was in the Champ but didn't help them get there as he hardly played. When he did play a full season they finished 2nd bottom with the 3rd worst goal difference... When Clarke didn't play this season we conceded a shed load of goals. So no the stats and facts don't lie when they're looked into in more detail . Macari, Wadsworth (plank), Jacko, Gerry, Ritchie & Clark have all picked Nathan above any other centre back and I'd like to think they know far more about defending and football than us! In an ideal world I'd like Kelly to come back on loan and a right back come in and then we'd have 4 centre backs genuinely challenging for 2 places. |
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Post by kleverboy on Jun 21, 2009 22:24:51 GMT 1
It's not well said Mr B&W Clarke Basher ... I agree the goals conceded is a worry but it's a little over simplistic to blame it on one man... 2nd in the POTS (1st on here) is good as it shows he was the top defensive performer last season. The 65 goals conceded last season had a lot more to do with messrs Lucketti, Butler, Skarz, Williams and Holdsworth than Nathan Clarke. Sure, Clarke isn't a world beater but sadly he has been our best defender for 18 months now and I encourage anyone to watch the goal highlights of last season and see where the fault lies. For the most part it's a cross into the box that Butler fails to deal with... Leicester A (4), Crewe A (2), Brighton H (1), Hartlepool A (3) to name a few examples. Lee Clark isn't stupid and for this reason he's signed Peter Clarke who apparently is a defensive specialist from crosses and set peices into the box. Butler was in the Champ but didn't help them get there as he hardly played. When he did play a full season they finished 2nd bottom with the 3rd worst goal difference... When Clarke didn't play this season we conceded a shed load of goals. So no the stats and facts don't lie when they're looked into in more detail . Macari, Wadsworth (plank), Jacko, Gerry, Ritchie & Clark have all picked Nathan above any other centre back and I'd like to think they know far more about defending and football than us! In an ideal world I'd like Kelly to come back on loan and a right back come in and then we'd have 4 centre backs genuinely challenging for 2 places. Dear Mr Andy Butler Hater, Can I ask how Nathan Clarke is our best defender, Andy Butler is our best defender, although P. Clarke could impress although I haven´t seen him paly yet, Nathan Clarke is too much of a liability. Andy Butler´s bad airial ability, he makes that up with his tackling and goals. Also most of the goals were Holdsworth´s fault as most came down his side! Sorry Holy Roller Novakine, you are a pillock. Well... that's you told, HRN! ;D |
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Post by terrier19 on Jun 21, 2009 22:27:40 GMT 1
It's not well said Mr B&W Clarke Basher ... I agree the goals conceded is a worry but it's a little over simplistic to blame it on one man... 2nd in the POTS (1st on here) is good as it shows he was the top defensive performer last season. The 65 goals conceded last season had a lot more to do with messrs Lucketti, Butler, Skarz, Williams and Holdsworth than Nathan Clarke. Sure, Clarke isn't a world beater but sadly he has been our best defender for 18 months now and I encourage anyone to watch the goal highlights of last season and see where the fault lies. For the most part it's a cross into the box that Butler fails to deal with... Leicester A (4), Crewe A (2), Brighton H (1), Hartlepool A (3) to name a few examples. Lee Clark isn't stupid and for this reason he's signed Peter Clarke who apparently is a defensive specialist from crosses and set peices into the box. Butler was in the Champ but didn't help them get there as he hardly played. When he did play a full season they finished 2nd bottom with the 3rd worst goal difference... When Clarke didn't play this season we conceded a shed load of goals. So no the stats and facts don't lie when they're looked into in more detail . Macari, Wadsworth (plank), Jacko, Gerry, Ritchie & Clark have all picked Nathan above any other centre back and I'd like to think they know far more about defending and football than us! In an ideal world I'd like Kelly to come back on loan and a right back come in and then we'd have 4 centre backs genuinely challenging for 2 places. Dear Mr Andy Butler Hater, Can I ask how Nathan Clarke is our best defender, Andy Butler is our best defender, although P. Clarke could impress although I haven´t seen him paly yet, Nathan Clarke is too much of a liability. Andy Butler´s bad airial ability, he makes that up with his tackling and goals. Also most of the goals were Holdsworth´s fault as most came down his side! Sorry Holy Roller Novakine, you are a pillock. As much as you may disagree with Holy Roller there is no need to call him a pillock, lets compare Andy Butlers goal tally with Nathan Clarke - 4 goals for Butler 3 for Clarke. Butler's positioning is poor. Yes his aerial ability is OK but i'd say is no better than Clarke's. One i will let you have is that Butler is a better tackler but if i picked the team every week Clarke would be in there ahead of Butler. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 22:38:42 GMT 1
Dear Mr Andy Butler Hater, Can I ask how Nathan Clarke is our best defender, Andy Butler is our best defender, although P. Clarke could impress although I haven´t seen him paly yet, Nathan Clarke is too much of a liability. Andy Butler´s bad airial ability, he makes that up with his tackling and goals. Also most of the goals were Holdsworth´s fault as most came down his side! Sorry Holy Roller Novakine, you are a pillock. Well... that's you told, HRN! ;D ;D - Can't be bothered replying directly to be honest... For a start I can tell he's an idiot or maybe just a bit "special". Names himself after our worst defender, thinks Ian Craney should be in the side, picks defenders based on their goalscoring ability and not defensive ability (Butler got a massive 1 more goal than Nathan by the way... :  and can't debate without resorting to personal insults... Based on a couple of posts I'd hazard a guess that he's some kind of halfwit who's never played the game at a higher level than jumpers for goalposts in the park and watches the away fans more than the match. I've offered accounts, figures and even specific incidents as to why I think Nathan is better than Andy B but it seems people with their pre conceived notions of Clarke being a 'hoofer' or a liability just aren't prepared to face the truth or look at it... The facts are there but some fans just want to live in their anti Clarke bubble and aren't prepared for people like me, Slaps, Midge, Shawsie, Huddsterrier etc to coax them out into the real world... Sad. And if Andy Butler is first choice next season and earns the position through performances on merit then I'll be delighted. |
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Post by specialun on Jun 21, 2009 23:03:22 GMT 1
As I've said before,
We conceded 1.12 goals a game with Clarke/Butler at the defence in the post stan era.
In the games clarke missed injured, we conceded 10 in 5 - 2 goals a game.
But as I said, the defensive record improved by conceding 0.5 goals a game LESS under Murphy/Clark as opposed to stan. In any case, having 3 competitive centre backs can only be good and improve further.
But stop talking rubbish HRN, just because the stats back your argument up, your'e talking rubbish and you must be a pillock!! As thrice says, people don't like stats when they don't suit themselves!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 23:07:44 GMT 1
Nathan Clarke is easily our best defender (not including P Clarke in that as I can't really comment on him yet).
I'm always amazed that there is so much debate about it. It seems a lot of fans made up their minds about Clarke when he had a dodgy spell a couple of seasons back, and now absolutely refuse to believe what a good player he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 23:14:28 GMT 1
As I've said before, We conceded 1.12 goals a game with Clarke/Butler at the defence in the post stan era. In the games clarke missed injured, we conceded 10 in 5 - 2 goals a game. But as I said, the defensive record improved by conceding 0.5 goals a game LESS under Murphy/Clark as opposed to stan. In any case, having 3 competitive centre backs can only be good and improve further. But stop talking rubbish HRN, just because the stats back your argument up, your'e talking rubbish and you must be a pillock!! As thrice says, people don't like stats when they don't suit themselves! "Edited to reflect a none Pillock!" I know I'm being harsh on Butler but I genuinely see him as a weaker link and think that he's the part of the duo who needs to make way for P.Clarke and am confident Lee Clark thinks the same. I'm also confident that the highlights back me up completely and if anyone disagrees then fair enough but at least watch the highlights instead of going on a pre conceived notion... I'm sure a Butler/N.Clarke partnership would be better next season with stronger protection in front of them starting up top also. |
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Post by kleverboy on Jun 21, 2009 23:15:58 GMT 1
Well... that's you told, HRN! ;D ;D - Can't be bothered replying directly to be honest... For a start I can tell he's an idiot or maybe just a bit "special". Names himself after our worst defender, thinks Ian Craney should be in the side, picks defenders based on their goalscoring ability and not defensive ability (Butler got a massive 1 more goal than Nathan by the way... : and can't debate without resorting to personal insults... Based on a couple of posts I'd hazard a guess that he's some kind of halfwit who's never played the game at a higher level than jumpers for goalposts in the park and watches the away fans more than the match. I've offered accounts, figures and even specific incidents as to why I think Nathan is better than Andy B but it seems people with their pre conceived notions of Clarke being a 'hoofer' or a liability just aren't prepared to face the truth or look at it... The facts are there but some fans just want to live in their anti Clarke bubble and aren't prepared for people like me, Slaps, Midge, Shawsie, Huddsterrier etc to coax them out into the real world... Sad. And if Andy Butler is first choice next season and earns the position through performances on merit then I'll be delighted. Pillock! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 23:22:03 GMT 1
As I've said before, We conceded 1.12 goals a game with Clarke/Butler at the defence in the post stan era. In the games clarke missed injured, we conceded 10 in 5 - 2 goals a game. But as I said, the defensive record improved by conceding 0.5 goals a game LESS under Murphy/Clark as opposed to stan. In any case, having 3 competitive centre backs can only be good and improve further. But stop talking rubbish HRN, just because the stats back your argument up, your'e talking rubbish and you must be a pillock!! As thrice says, people don't like stats when they don't suit themselves! You're usually sensible but you've let yourself down here... It's incredibly hypocritical as well and a little bit incoherent... So as a person who bases all of his points based on stats you say that the stats back my argument up yet I'm talking rubbish and I'm a pillock?? Then the stats don't back me up? What kind of b*llocks is that? I suggest to try and understand my point you take your nose out of your excel spreadsheets and just watch the goals against highlights like I'm asking people to do... Do that and then tell me how I'm talking rubbish. And as for the pillock comment..... Tsk.  I think you've missed Specialun's sarcasm HRN. (Either that or I've missed your sarcasm He was agreeing with you about Clarke |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 23:30:39 GMT 1
You're usually sensible but you've let yourself down here... It's incredibly hypocritical as well and a little bit incoherent... So as a person who bases all of his points based on stats you say that the stats back my argument up yet I'm talking rubbish and I'm a pillock?? Then the stats don't back me up? What kind of b*llocks is that? I suggest to try and understand my point you take your nose out of your excel spreadsheets and just watch the goals against highlights like I'm asking people to do... Do that and then tell me how I'm talking rubbish. And as for the pillock comment..... Tsk. I think you've missed Specialun's sarcasm HRN. (Either that or I've missed your sarcasm He was agreeing with you about Clarke FFS I am a massive pillock.... ;D ;D I had my tin hat over my defensive head... 99/100 me and CAHIRST (I know it's you) are on the same page so should never have doubted that  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 22, 2009 1:05:33 GMT 1
It's not well said Mr B&W Clarke Basher ... I agree the goals conceded is a worry but it's a little over simplistic to blame it on one man... 2nd in the POTS (1st on here) is good as it shows he was the top defensive performer last season. The 65 goals conceded last season had a lot more to do with messrs Lucketti, Butler, Skarz, Williams and Holdsworth than Nathan Clarke. Sure, Clarke isn't a world beater but sadly he has been our best defender for 18 months now and I encourage anyone to watch the goal highlights of last season and see where the fault lies. For the most part it's a cross into the box that Butler fails to deal with... Leicester A (4), Crewe A (2), Brighton H (1), Hartlepool A (3) to name a few examples. Lee Clark isn't stupid and for this reason he's signed Peter Clarke who apparently is a defensive specialist from crosses and set peices into the box. Butler was in the Champ but didn't help them get there as he hardly played. When he did play a full season they finished 2nd bottom with the 3rd worst goal difference... When Clarke didn't play this season we conceded a shed load of goals. So no the stats and facts don't lie when they're looked into in more detail . Macari, Wadsworth (plank), Jacko, Gerry, Ritchie & Clark have all picked Nathan above any other centre back and I'd like to think they know far more about defending and football than us! In an ideal world I'd like Kelly to come back on loan and a right back come in and then we'd have 4 centre backs genuinely challenging for 2 places. Dear Mr Andy Butler Hater, Can I ask how Nathan Clarke is our best defender, Andy Butler is our best defender, although P. Clarke could impress although I haven´t seen him paly yet, Nathan Clarke is too much of a liability. Andy Butler´s bad airial ability, he makes that up with his tackling and goals. Also most of the goals were Holdsworth´s fault as most came down his side! Sorry Holy Roller Novakine, you are a pillock. Not only do you talk utter shite but you can't even talk utter shite without insulting a guy who clearly understands football more than you. |
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Post by alexdire on Jun 22, 2009 8:36:12 GMT 1
Out for a beer last night and someone told me that Nathan Clarke was going to Darlington? ? Is there any substance to that? Same person stated that we had signd someone from Barnsley (did not say who) Again any susbtance in that Definitely substance abuse there! Darlington can't sign anyone at the minute as they haven't come out of admin yet and I very much doubt they could afford Clarke's wages. |
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Post by mids on Jun 22, 2009 9:44:38 GMT 1
The fact that comes out of this debate is that we definitely need to shore up the goals conceded column....which is why it's imperative IMO that we sign a proper right back and we don't have to rely on making do with Tom Clarke in that position. As for the centre halves, you pays your money you take your choice. Personally it's Peter Clarke and either of Butler or Nathan....they're both as good/inconsistent as each other on their day.....hence why they're playing Div3 football  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 22, 2009 10:01:11 GMT 1
In previous seasons maybe Mids, but N Clarke has been our most consistant player since Jan 08, by some distance aswell.
being an old CB myself Ive always like watching them play and for me hes just that bit a better player than butler in every aspect of the game. hes quicker, more agile, much better in the air, a better timer of tackles, reads the game better and is a (FAR) better passer and generally much more comfortable on the ball. ( butler is 2nd only to to Lucketti when it comes to lacking basic control of a ball, panicking whenever in possession and struggling to complete even a simple pass).
Don't forget, Peter Clarke is also a Div 3 footballer. he'll have limitations to his game that cause that so I don't agree with this assumption that he'll automatically turn out to be better than N Clarke, or even Butler.
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