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Post by deo1 on Dec 18, 2007 7:35:14 GMT 1
drop boothy for beckett straight away... we missed boothy at the start of the season but that was before we has jevons and a near full strength squad... what a player he'd be to come off the bench...
put cadders on the left wing, mal on the right, williams and holdsworth as full backs.. plenty of pace and attacking prowess down both sides with the added bonus of all four being good defensively wise...
sinclair and mirf as the centre backs...need i say more... we've got to get calamity clark out of the starting 11!!!!
with wallwork and worthy in the middle.. worthy the attacking player like in his junior days and ronnie as the holding midfielder...
beckett and jevons would have a field day as ALL the players can PLAY football and PASS unlike some who seem to like and launch the ball forward at every opportunity...
if town use the wingers correctly we've got a very dangerous team who will score goals and add to our meagre goals for tally...
imo this would be our strongest team for attacking and defending...
i just hope we do sign both wallwork and jevons up for the foreseeable future!!!! they've both looked and been good signings so far, who have that bit of experience and football knowledge about them and what we've been crying out for to push the team forward!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2007 7:43:47 GMT 1
I can't really argue with that mate! Plus, I'd say our major problem is getting everybody playing well together. It seems absolutely ages since we had a settled side, playing for each other and all knowing what's expected of them.
When (rather than if) we 'click' as a team, someone's going to get a reet good hammering, because looking at this League, with the exception of the odd player or two, we have players as good, if not better than most.
Bring 'em on!
AceT ;D
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Post by upthetown on Dec 18, 2007 9:17:50 GMT 1
i like the sound of that, hopefully collins can step up a pace or two.
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Post by terracesider on Dec 18, 2007 9:47:58 GMT 1
We look a really poor without Boothy at set pieces in our own box (very noticable earlier in the season when he wasn't playing) - he has enough pace to wander back for corners but I wouldn't expect to see him playing at centre half!!
When Boothy plays we occasionally win some of the long balls out of defence. When he doesn't play the back players still "Hump it up to Boothy" and we win very few.
Boothy first name on teamsheet for me. God knows what we're going to do when his knees finally give up the ghost though!
BTW it was my impression that it was Mirf (rather than Clarke) responsible for the Bristol goal on Satdy. I thought Nathan had a decent game... But there you go as the lamented Big Ron used to say:"It's a game about opinions"
UTT
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 18, 2007 10:54:50 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of your team, but I've not been impressed when I've seen Cadamarteri on the wing. I don't think he likes playing there and he's done little in his career to suggest that's his best position.
That said a left winger is a must (Stuart Elliott from Hull please!). I guess that would mean we scarifice Wallwork, but I'd be fine with that as we have options in midfield, Holdsworth would be my pick
If you're playing Sinclair at centre back you can't play Mirfin alongside him. Sinclair is about 5 foot 9 and Mirfin can't head a ball, they'd get murdered in the air, especially without Booth in the side to defend set pieces. For that reason Nathan Clarke would have to start ahead of Mirfin.
I'd play Mirfin at full back, Holdsworth is wasted at right back and IMO had a poor game there on Saturday. He brings a lot more to the side in midfield (see the league assists chart)
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Post by upthetown on Dec 18, 2007 10:58:52 GMT 1
where is the asists chart? Agree with a lot of your team, but I've not been impressed when I've seen Cadamarteri on the wing. I don't think he likes playing there and he's done little in his career to suggest that's his best position. That said a left winger is a must (Stuart Elliott from Hull please!). I guess that would mean we scarifice Wallwork, but I'd be fine with that as we have options in midfield, Holdsworth would be my pick If you're playing Sinclair at centre back you can't play Mirfin alongside him. Sinclair is about 5 foot 9 and Mirfin can't head a ball, they'd get murdered in the air, especially without Booth in the side to defend set pieces. For that reason Nathan Clarke would have to start ahead of Mirfin. I'd play Mirfin at full back, Holdsworth is wasted at right back and IMO had a poor game there on Saturday. He brings a lot more to the side in midfield (see the league assists chart) |
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Post by midge on Dec 18, 2007 11:33:20 GMT 1
I feel like the defender of the (so called) lost causes on here (Glennon being the last one!!) but I really do have to disagree re Clarke!! Once again fans have whipped up feeling against him, the booing before the game, the shouts of 'hoof'when the ball goes anywhere near him!! I actually think his choice of pass is often right. He 'hoofs' it when he needs to (under Warnock everyone would be praising him!!) and can also pick a pass when he needs to!! All the 'Clarke detractors' just do me one favour and actually concentrate on watching him in the next home game. The headers he wins, the reading of the game, the last ditch challenges to prevent danger!! For me he is far more effective than Mirf and if, having watched the two you cannot see this, my mission has failed!!!!  |
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Post by kilroy on Dec 18, 2007 11:47:26 GMT 1
Clarke is a very good player, adn as Midge says, if you watch him throughout the entire game he is always busy and keeping to his duties. I really dont understand how people want him out instead of Mirfin when based upon recent performances Clarke has been very good.
Another thing thats getting to me is that on saturday, Glennons kicking was very good for the whole match. One kick however went a bit off and all you could here was the disgruntled moans of the fans! Does he have to score with every kick to get recognition that his kicking has improved no end? Anyone notice how horrendous the Bristol Rovers 'keeper was at kicking? Id rather Glennon than him anyday!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 18, 2007 11:47:39 GMT 1
where is the asists chart? Agree with a lot of your team, but I've not been impressed when I've seen Cadamarteri on the wing. I don't think he likes playing there and he's done little in his career to suggest that's his best position. That said a left winger is a must (Stuart Elliott from Hull please!). I guess that would mean we scarifice Wallwork, but I'd be fine with that as we have options in midfield, Holdsworth would be my pick If you're playing Sinclair at centre back you can't play Mirfin alongside him. Sinclair is about 5 foot 9 and Mirfin can't head a ball, they'd get murdered in the air, especially without Booth in the side to defend set pieces. For that reason Nathan Clarke would have to start ahead of Mirfin. I'd play Mirfin at full back, Holdsworth is wasted at right back and IMO had a poor game there on Saturday. He brings a lot more to the side in midfield (see the league assists chart) Holdsworth is joint top of League One for number of assists www.htafc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10312~200725,00.html Also agree fully with Midge, on both Nathan Clarke and Matt Glennon |
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Post by deo1 on Dec 18, 2007 11:50:45 GMT 1
i'll agree to disagree over clark..
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Post by midge on Dec 18, 2007 11:56:01 GMT 1
Is that it Joe!!!!  Come on mate, I've put my argument FOR Clarke, let's here the one against!!! Take my advice mate and watch him and Mirf closely in the next match (try to put your preconceived ideas to one side!) then come back and tell me who is the better defender!! |
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Post by midlander on Dec 18, 2007 12:47:23 GMT 1
Mirf makes excellent last ditch challenges, often a result of his poor positional play in the first place. I like him as he brings pace and heart to the team, but he makes far too many errors for a centre-half. Clarke is a much better defender and footballer. He's stronger in the air and reads the game well. I thought he was our best player on Saturday. I know he gets stick for his sometimes errant long passes, but they are passes (not punts) and quite often they are into the right areas. Sometimes out front players look like they're making a run, then stop, making the ball player look garbage. Next time you watch Mirf, look how uncomfortable he is with the ball at his feet when there is pressure. He panics frequently and plays others into trouble OR just punts the ball aimlessly. I believe a centre-half to play alongside Clarke would help us no end. Mirf as back-up right back when Sinclair is missing. Holdsworth to stay in midfield. I do believe that if Mirf can be coached properly, there is a decent centre-half in there bsomewhere.
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 18, 2007 12:52:53 GMT 1
Bristol Rovers got behind our back line twice on Saturday. On both occassions they put in a low dangerous cross. Clarke intercepted both of them. One of them he had to cover the entire length of the pitch (2nd half corner from us!). If that'd been Mirfin they'd have been 6000 posts praising him for that and the ruddy York performance! But because it was Clarke it doesn't get mentioned.
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 18, 2007 12:53:57 GMT 1
Also Mirf is our weak link in our defence. I watched him closely on Saturday and his defending was rank awful. He always likes the ball to bounce, he seriously needs coaching out of this.
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Post by hughphamism on Dec 18, 2007 13:41:05 GMT 1
Both of Saturday's goals came from Boothy flick-on's and we do need him defensively.
He's got to stay in the team for me.
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Post by mids on Dec 18, 2007 14:39:51 GMT 1
Both of Saturday's goals came from Boothy flick-on's and we do need him defensively. He's got to stay in the team for me. Why? There has got to be something justifiably wrong for a forward to be picked for his defensive capabilities? Booth is a forward. His inclusion in the team should be down to the goals he scores rather than the goals he saves! Surely? On that score (see what I did there  ) he should be on the bench and Jevons should be partnered by Beckett or Cadamarteri IMHO |
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Post by arnhemterrier on Dec 18, 2007 15:29:16 GMT 1
Well play Booth with Clarke. Stick Mirf at RB. Put AH back in CM and volia...play Cads/Beckett with Jevons. Thank you very much
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Post by hughphamism on Dec 19, 2007 0:33:14 GMT 1
My initial point was his involvement in both goals. I didn't even mention his hold-up play. I agree it's daft we rely on him defensively as well but it's a fact that we do. If we had a couple of towering centre backs then OK but we don't & we're very vulnerable when he doesn't play. As someone else pointed out the number of headed goals conceded has dropped since he came back in the side. |
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) he should be on the bench and Jevons should be partnered by Beckett or Cadamarteri IMHO