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Post by terrier1987cas on Nov 10, 2011 11:38:06 GMT 1
The Scottish midfielder arrived at Town 2 summers ago before last season for a fee in the region of half a million pounds. Are you a frustrated journo?? Who talks like that? For my money, Bennett's our best player at the minute. His consistent level of performance over a longish period has won / saved a lot of points. And what do points make? Apologies for creating an article written in English, with proper grammar, that is purely about football. I should have known it wouldn't be appreciated by all on here...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 11:41:33 GMT 1
Theres that word "great" again who apart from you and the captain used that term? All i have said is he is talented IMO and shows potential. Ok, but from what are you saying that? Maybe you're right, but Im just thinking he hasn't actually done anything in his brief gametime, or presumably in training, to justify that. he needs to step up to the plate sharpish or he'll go the same way as Simpson. Perhaps he's doing it in training captain, he was on the bench against Walsall. Like Ward i think he needs that run in the team he might have been getting elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 12:09:44 GMT 1
By the same token, how can anyone say he's a great raw talent if all they have seen of him is 'bits'? Theres that word "great" again who apart from you and the captain used that term? All i have said is he is talented IMO and shows potential. My apology... you never used the word 'great'. But you know exactly what I meant... you pick the captain up for daring to take a less than rosy view of Mcdermott's 'talent and potential' from only seeing 'bits' of him, but you're allowed to make a positive judgement on the player's 'talent and potential' from only seeing those same 'bits'. Doesn't add up.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 10, 2011 12:55:21 GMT 1
Ok, but from what are you saying that? Maybe you're right, but Im just thinking he hasn't actually done anything in his brief gametime, or presumably in training, to justify that. he needs to step up to the plate sharpish or he'll go the same way as Simpson. Perhaps he's doing it in training captain, he was on the bench against Walsall. Like Ward i think he needs that run in the team he might have been getting elsewhere. Isn't that the point? If hed been 'doing it' in training, he'd have had more than a few bits of gametime here and there, especially being a new and presumably very well paid signing. I just don't get how people can claim he has all this talent and potential from a game or two for Bournemouth and stuff hes supposed to do in training that Clark clearly doesn't notice. maybe a run in the side would get the best out of him. But equally maybe hed just be as poor in that run as hes looked in the chances he's had so far. Think in a big squad like ours players can't expect to just be given a lengthy chance to prove their worth. Thay have to earn a chance and grab it straight away, cos theres plenty of others wanting that starting place. So far McDermotts shown nothing and people are just guessing that hes going to be any good.
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Post by OldRastrickian on Nov 10, 2011 13:20:53 GMT 1
Country Rhodes, take me back, to the place I belong, The Champeenship, footy momma, Take me home, Country Rhodes!
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Post by TerrierArmy on Nov 10, 2011 13:36:43 GMT 1
I think Anton Robinson will become key to how we do - I really rate the guy. Has bags of energy, gets around the field and makes some cracking tackles. I have to agree with what someone said about Gobern, too. He'll be very impoortant for us going forwards, as well. We've two older heads playing in the middle at the moment in Miller and Johnson, both of whom have Premier league experience and, hopefully, what it takes to get us out of League One. Best player and most important player are two different things, in my opinion. I think Johnson is our most important player at the moment, and, probably Jordan is our best player, in terms of ability with Roberts, Bennett and Hunt following closely behind. Scotty, for me, is vastly improving and have never been a critic of his - he's honest, hard working and dependable and is in the 'important player' category for me. # Great post Jonny! Robinson especially will play a big part this season and I was disappointed that LC didn't chuck him on against Walsall since he's helped win us 2 games from the subs bench.
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 10, 2011 13:52:03 GMT 1
Theres that word "great" again who apart from you and the captain used that term? All i have said is he is talented IMO and shows potential. Ok, but from what are you saying that? Maybe you're right, but Im just thinking he hasn't actually done anything in his brief gametime, or presumably in training, to justify that. he needs to step up to the plate sharpish or he'll go the same way as Simpson. Just like James Berrett presumably never did it in training, but you reckon it was a mistake letting him go
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 13:52:40 GMT 1
I think Anton Robinson will become key to how we do - I really rate the guy. Has bags of energy, gets around the field and makes some cracking tackles. I have to agree with what someone said about Gobern, too. He'll be very impoortant for us going forwards, as well. We've two older heads playing in the middle at the moment in Miller and Johnson, both of whom have Premier league experience and, hopefully, what it takes to get us out of League One. Best player and most important player are two different things, in my opinion. I think Johnson is our most important player at the moment, and, probably Jordan is our best player, in terms of ability with Roberts, Bennett and Hunt following closely behind. Scotty, for me, is vastly improving and have never been a critic of his - he's honest, hard working and dependable and is in the 'important player' category for me. # Great post Jonny! Robinson especially will play a big part this season and I was disappointed that LC didn't chuck him on against Walsall since he's helped win us 2 games from the subs bench. Aye so was I, I think he's brilliant
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 10, 2011 13:55:19 GMT 1
Maybe he didn't. but he'd clearly shown his potential when he did play because the big difference is he generally DID do it when he played, often winning MOTM votes on here!! ( 2 in his last 3 starts!)
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 10, 2011 13:56:49 GMT 1
Maybe he didn't. but he'd clearly shown his potential when he did play because the big difference is he generally DID do it when he played, often winning MOTM votes on here!! ( 2 in his last 3 starts!) Yeah, playing sweeper in a formation we'd never ever play again unless Saint Gerry is returning.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Nov 10, 2011 14:31:51 GMT 1
McDermott looks to have the most raw talent, just isn't really a winger in my eyes. Raw talent at what? The only thing he looks from the bits Ive seen him play so far, is a poor signing. If hes as good as people seem to make out, then he might want to start showing it! I think you can form opinions on talent from very little. Determining their effectiveness is a complete different matter. I've seen even less of Ross Barkley at Everton, but in the highlights of one game he demonstrated abilities proven Premiership players haven't in their entire careers. Doesn't mean he will have a better career than them, but will have much more chance of making it all the way to the top. Likewise, I'm not saying McDermott won't turn out to be a dud, with his weaknesses possibly outweighing his strengths. However, his close control and vision are blatantly greater than anyone bar Roberts, so I don't think it's unreasonable to say he has raw talent. We're probably arguing semantics.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 10, 2011 14:39:48 GMT 1
Maybe he didn't. but he'd clearly shown his potential when he did play because the big difference is he generally DID do it when he played, often winning MOTM votes on here!! ( 2 in his last 3 starts!) Yeah, playing sweeper in a formation we'd never ever play again unless Saint Gerry is returning. He wasn't playing sweeper in those games and Clark was the manager.
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 10, 2011 14:51:15 GMT 1
Yeah, playing sweeper in a formation we'd never ever play again unless Saint Gerry is returning. He wasn't playing sweeper in those games and Clark was the manager. OK, I'll trust your academy player scrapbook on this one then
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 10, 2011 15:41:57 GMT 1
you should. Its extremely detailed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 16:37:01 GMT 1
Theres that word "great" again who apart from you and the captain used that term? All i have said is he is talented IMO and shows potential. My apology... you never used the word 'great'. But you know exactly what I meant... you pick the captain up for daring to take a less than rosy view of Mcdermott's 'talent and potential' from only seeing 'bits' of him, but you're allowed to make a positive judgement on the player's 'talent and potential' from only seeing those same 'bits'. Doesn't add up. Of course the captain is allowed to express his opinions they are obviously based on the bits he's seen, it's just they contrast with the bits i have seen. Donal IMO is an exciting player to watch, no he's not set the world on fire yet this season that's why i said talent and 'potential,' i have seen very few players with the sort of close control and movement he exhibits, i look forward to seeing him fulfill that potential and i pray he gets the chances to do it with us. Simpson appears to be settling in very well at Oldham by the way.
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 10, 2011 16:49:24 GMT 1
you should. Its extremely detailed. You might come out with some shite from time to time, but anyone who can have a laugh at themselves will do for me :iconlol: :appl:
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Nov 11, 2011 0:15:40 GMT 1
Perhaps he's doing it in training captain, he was on the bench against Walsall. Like Ward i think he needs that run in the team he might have been getting elsewhere. Isn't that the point? If hed been 'doing it' in training, he'd have had more than a few bits of gametime here and there, especially being a new and presumably very well paid signing. I just don't get how people can claim he has all this talent and potential from a game or two for Bournemouth and stuff hes supposed to do in training that Clark clearly doesn't notice. maybe a run in the side would get the best out of him. But equally maybe hed just be as poor in that run as hes looked in the chances he's had so far. Think in a big squad like ours players can't expect to just be given a lengthy chance to prove their worth. Thay have to earn a chance and grab it straight away, cos theres plenty of others wanting that starting place. So far McDermotts shown nothing and people are just guessing that hes going to be any good. Actually I agree with you, but much of this runs contrary to your arguments in defence of Berrett.
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Post by nse7entea on Nov 11, 2011 0:18:39 GMT 1
Danny Cadamarteri is the best playah.
Foh sure.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 11, 2011 1:25:47 GMT 1
Actually I agree with you, but much of this runs contrary to your arguments in defence of Berrett. How does it? My 'defence' of Berrett if you want to call it that, was that he actually DID show talent and potential in the first team more often than not when he was given a chance, and in various positions too. Thats one big difference with what McDermott'd done so far and another is that in Berretts case, he was being overlooked for a player who was consistantly rubbish for months on end in that midfield position- Kay. maybe he didn't impress enough in training to be given more chances, i wouldn't know- suppose there has to be some reason why he would play, often get MOTM on here, then not appear again for ages.
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Post by shawsie on Nov 11, 2011 14:44:04 GMT 1
The reason is a different position slapps -He got MOMs for sweeper displays not for central midfield ones!! In the reserves and training, he played midfield, but didnt "do it" consistently enough to warrant a first team berth hence the reason we allowed him to leave. I think Clark said as much at a function when he actually praised Berrett for leaving to get first team games to further his career......unlike others more recently! Carlisle have effectively built a team around him at the base of a diamond in midfield - Clark obviously didnt see him as being good enough to warrant changing the way we play to do so. IMHO he was right, although i do think Berrett is a decent player.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 15:07:38 GMT 1
mistake moving berrett on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 15:17:23 GMT 1
The reason is a different position slapps -He got MOMs for sweeper displays not for central midfield ones!! In the reserves and training, he played midfield, but didnt "do it" consistently enough to warrant a first team berth hence the reason we allowed him to leave. I think Clark said as much at a function when he actually praised Berrett for leaving to get first team games to further his career......unlike others more recently! Carlisle have effectively built a team around him at the base of a diamond in midfield - Clark obviously didnt see him as being good enough to warrant changing the way we play to do so. IMHO he was right, although i do think Berrett is a decent player. good points Jon but he was always a better option than playing a converted centre half in central midfield for over a year.
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Post by blueb on Nov 11, 2011 15:29:27 GMT 1
I think Anton Robinson will become key to how we do - I really rate the guy. Has bags of energy, gets around the field and makes some cracking tackles. I have to agree with what someone said about Gobern, too. He'll be very impoortant for us going forwards, as well. We've two older heads playing in the middle at the moment in Miller and Johnson, both of whom have Premier league experience and, hopefully, what it takes to get us out of League One. Best player and most important player are two different things, in my opinion. I think Johnson is our most important player at the moment, and, probably Jordan is our best player, in terms of ability with Roberts, Bennett and Hunt following closely behind. Scotty, for me, is vastly improving and have never been a critic of his - he's honest, hard working and dependable and is in the 'important player' category for me. Not seen it in Anton myself, looks like a slightly better than average L1 midfield grafter to date, hopefully that will change. Damien Johnson on the other hand oozes quality, kind of player who will quietly run the show but absolutely invaluable. Just the way he makes time and space for himself when receiving the ball and can always find a pass. Premiership quality and it shows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 15:43:08 GMT 1
mistake moving berrett on. Yup... he's showing he can do it at this level and I'd wager he wouldn't look out of place in the one above.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 16:22:28 GMT 1
mistake moving berrett on. Yup... he's showing he can do it at this level and I'd wager he wouldn't look out of place in the one above. :nodding: as good as some of the lads we ve got,and we d ve had him for a third of the money.imo of course
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Post by maradonut on Nov 11, 2011 16:39:06 GMT 1
arfield in and out of the side keeps getting bollocked by clark= best player?? dont think so. id go with ian bennett.
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Post by ritchie on Nov 11, 2011 16:59:53 GMT 1
arfield in and out of the side keeps getting bollocked by clark= best player?? dont think so. id go with ian bennett. by in and out of the side do you mean started like the last 10 league games on the trot??
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Post by terrier1987cas on Nov 11, 2011 17:09:40 GMT 1
arfield in and out of the side keeps getting bollocked by clark= best player?? dont think so. id go with ian bennett. by in and out of the side do you mean started like the last 10 league games on the trot?? Pretty much what I was going to say, he's the first name on the team sheet most weeks now, and has been one of our best, but in my opinion the best, performer on a very regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 17:28:07 GMT 1
Yup... he's showing he can do it at this level and I'd wager he wouldn't look out of place in the one above. as good as some of the lads we ve got,and we d ve had him for a third of the money.imo of course Crooks is going to be better though isn't he ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 2:01:13 GMT 1
as good as some of the lads we ve got,and we d ve had him for a third of the money.imo of course Crooks is going to be better though isn't he ? we ll find out tomorrow ;)heard good things about max leonard :udders:
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