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Post by gymmers on Aug 7, 2011 12:12:09 GMT 1
I have just been watching the coverage on The Beeb.
Now apologies if I seem a little cynical, but why is disturbance like this immediately linked to 'race' and 'poverty'?
From what I understand, it was to do with conflict with the rozzers over a shooting. Most of the muppets who escalated the violence appeared to be conflict tourists from out of area.
Yet all I have seen all morning is a series of pundits being asked for soundbites and them linking the violence to race relations, population saturation and reduction in community facilities. I don't doubt that these are all real issues, but to blame the entire incidents on these issues is surely a very unwise stance? Isn't this just going to inflame race relations?
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Post by ab on Aug 8, 2011 9:33:35 GMT 1
Being cynical, it is in some people's interests to place the riots in some bigger political narrative - drawing parallels to the early 80s is easy for journos, special pleading for racial groups is always guaranteed to get some airtime, the Met are not currently the most popular police service.
Race relations people are rather redundant when race relations are uninflamed.
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Post by owlie on Aug 8, 2011 10:41:33 GMT 1
So they're a bit like condoms, no use unless picks have the blood pumping?
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Post by merkin on Aug 8, 2011 13:54:12 GMT 1
When Modric fucks off to Chelsea it will be 10 times worserer.
I find myself wanting the piglice to baton the fuck out of these pricks on the street.
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Post by owlie on Aug 8, 2011 16:43:10 GMT 1
I agree merk. A good crack to the skull will calm the c**** down. Then move onto plastic bullets and water cannons for.those that carry on being c****.
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Post by ralph2 on Aug 8, 2011 20:52:01 GMT 1
I thought the Hasidic Jews wearing Arsenal shirts charging at the police were great television.
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Post by gymmers on Aug 9, 2011 8:06:00 GMT 1
Panic on the Streets of Ealing?
Blimey
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Post by gymmers on Aug 9, 2011 8:25:56 GMT 1
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Post by brispie on Aug 9, 2011 9:03:07 GMT 1
Got to work to find Sky News encamped at the end of my street and smashed glass and burnt bins. I'm off to see what shops have been smashed in.
I love a bit of anarchy. Tories in power and vilify the underclasses and this is what happening.
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Post by turtle on Aug 9, 2011 9:18:33 GMT 1
I find myself wanting the army to smack the fuck out of these pricks on the street.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 9, 2011 10:05:49 GMT 1
Bryspy, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you really are a dozy c*** on occasion. How the fuck can someone employed BY THE STATE love a bit of anarchy?
And this has fuck all to do with anarchy. Anarchists/libertarians tend to respect private property.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Aug 9, 2011 10:13:40 GMT 1
Still, it's a good job they're sticking it to the government and big business, not smashing up innocent small traders and robbing people sitting injured in their own blood. Oh.
This has got fuck all to do with Tories or "underclasses" and everything to do with complete fucksockets behaving like subhuman scum.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 9, 2011 10:26:29 GMT 1
2-1 that some stabby yout gets impaled on a fucking big kebab knife before wednesday. I can't see certain small-business owners sitting back and letting their livelihoods burn.
And then the shit will REALLY hit the fan.
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Post by brispie on Aug 9, 2011 11:11:29 GMT 1
This fucking country is unbelievable. We were warned that this would likely happen and it has. And it will again.
How do you think that people make themselves heard? By some random smashing and looting. And it's working.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Aug 9, 2011 11:13:32 GMT 1
Stop kidding yourself that this is the masses rising up in some kind of revolution. It's c**** being c**** and nothing more.
These people aren't trying to "make themselves heard" they're just being dicks.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 9, 2011 11:24:07 GMT 1
One could say the same about a certain Norwegian gentleman who went a touch funny in the napper last week (execpt he was a-shooting rather than a-looting). Except to do so would be cunty, cheap, opportunist, political point-scoring that doesn't even attempt to engage with the real problems - why is the game different for the "other"side?
I'm still dying to know how someone who "loves a bit of anarchy" can work for the state.. ,
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Post by brispie on Aug 9, 2011 11:25:14 GMT 1
That's why I'm depressed that the people in this country can't equate the two. Bored youths with nothing to do as there is no work, benefits cut, less access to education, equals lets all have a smash up.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Aug 9, 2011 11:31:43 GMT 1
And that's right is it?
Let's see some kids beaten up and honest traders have their livelihoods destroyed because you don't like the government and lazy fuckers are a bit bored?
What's your solution then? How would you fix things? Or are you just going to take perverse delight in the world collapsing? Hope your farming and foraging skills are up to scratch. Except you'll probably just get food by stabbing someone.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 9, 2011 11:39:47 GMT 1
Which two? The riots and a Norwegian massacre?
I'd be VERY VERY VERY interested to know what the school records of the scrotes involved in smashing things up looked like. I will be willing to bet they were somewhat patchy and didn't involve many GCSEs. For fuck's sake, education is COMPULSORY in this country until you're 16 (oi tinks) and free until you're 18.
And you still haven't grasped that this is long way away from "let's ALL have a smash-up". Most of the locals are really rather angry at the criminal twats who are destroying their neighbourhood for the next generation or two.
Come and fucking tell that to some of the middle eastern and african people I work with who had to walk fucking miles to get to any sort of school and work like fuck to raise their tuition fees while studying.
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Post by owlie on Aug 9, 2011 11:49:13 GMT 1
Just nuke London. It would solve a lot of problems. And it would mean the Olympics fuck off somewhere else too.
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Post by brispie on Aug 9, 2011 11:56:26 GMT 1
The exact same outrage was directed at the Suffragettes when they were smashing shops up, setting fire to churches and destroying public works of art. However, the similarities with this are similar in so far a frustrated section of society using a method to raise awareness.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 9, 2011 11:59:45 GMT 1
Bryspy, the key to successful self-parody is not to let it cross the line to the utterly ludicrous. You were pushing it with the whole "functionary of the state loves anarchy" schtick but you've gone way beyond now.
Owlie - From space. It's the only way to be sure.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Aug 9, 2011 12:01:44 GMT 1
Hmm. Most history books seem to have left out the bit about Emmeline Pankhurst robbing tellies from shops and stealing from kids.
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Post by AndyM on Aug 9, 2011 12:03:00 GMT 1
Even a lifelong leftie like me can see that this is just dickheads trying to look hard in front of their mates.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 9, 2011 12:20:44 GMT 1
I'll happily pay the entrance fee to the horse races for a few of these chaps if they feel like going the whole Suffragette hog.
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Post by JohnnyNeptune on Aug 9, 2011 12:51:59 GMT 1
oi stabber_joe - a quick look at the twitter accounts of the brain dead spastics shows why these clowns were doing what they did.
not one mention of being disillusioned and unable to find a job, LOTS of mentions of FREE STUFF INNIT, my boyf got me a new tracky from jd sports etc
you're even more massively wrong than you normally are. and you're normally very massively wrong.
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Post by brispie on Aug 9, 2011 13:00:10 GMT 1
Ooh look at you lot with your smug sense of self righteousness and serious lack of empathy.
I'm sure a lot of the rioters are pricks, but they are being pricks for a reason and getting a widescreen telly is not the main reason.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Aug 9, 2011 13:03:00 GMT 1
The problem with your argument is that getting a widescreen telly *is* the main reason. You're trying to make it into something it isn't because that's what you want to see.
If you want to admire the people standing up for themselves, look at all the people working hard to clean up their communities today. Those are the people to admire, not the violent tossers who caused the mess.
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Post by brispie on Aug 9, 2011 13:22:52 GMT 1
Can I not admire them both?
If people feel that society isn't working for them they will eventually do something about it. The Suffragettes did destroy important pieces of art and set fire to churches, but everyone forgets that and thinks they were nice and cuddly as they sat chained to railings.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Aug 9, 2011 13:26:36 GMT 1
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