You are the ref

[Hertz]

OK, stay with me here AWAGgers

Team A break away and their midfield player is badly fouled but the ball runs in team A's favour so you play on. Team A move forward and the ball falls to a forward who gets fouled in the penalty box by Team B's keeper. But the ball breaks loose to Team A, you pay on and Team A score.

You go back and book the player for the first foul BUT COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SECOND WHICH WOULD HAVE MEANT ARSENAL'S KEEPER SENT OFF, DOWN TO 10 MEN AND A SUB KEEPER(WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE ON THE BENCH) on.

Lee Mason, you are a twat.

[plumbs]

Yup but the game must be stopped to send off the player-in this case the goalkeeper-and a free kick (penalty) awarded.
If the ref had done this and the team in question missed the penalty,then you'd have been complaining that he should have taken the first option.

In my view Lee Mason got the decisions correct and did very well to play the advantage rule,although he did miss a clear penalty later on in the game.

I think it was Len Shackleton who once remarked that the 'best team always wins-the rest is only gossip',which sums up from I saw of the game yesterday-where the Arse could have had five or six early on

[markelt]

But they didn't plumbs. The ref couldn't have got the decisions correct because he got them wrong.

The Premier League's other notorious starfucker is Mike Dean.

[markelt]

Oh, and Andre Marriner.

You'll learn this one day when whatever tinpot outfit you support is back in the EPL*

[Hertz]

The thing is Plumbs (me ol china) is that he plays on after Wilshere's foul but goes back and books him after so why does he not go back and book/send off the keeper after playing on from his foul?

oh and Elt is right, premier refs are all Darren

[markelt]

What is remarkable is that the amount of spine refs have for a particular decision depends very much on who the decision is for or against. They should publish a sliding bottle scale on the Premier League website so you can tell from a game and who the ref is how decisions will go.

Oh, and Mark Clattenburg

My favourite moment of a ref bottling it this season was Andre Marriner failing to send off Gary Neville against us following a blatant yellow card offence after he'd already been booked. Mysteriously Neville was substituted at half time, as if somebody had told Ferguson Marriner wouldn't be able to overlook another one.

[oldhamsheridan]

I'd have blown up and booked the Blackpool lad for diving.


NB. Even if you deem it a foul, the keeper didn't prevent a goalscoring opportunity.

[ab]

I think the ref's judgment call is whether to consider the second offence to have brought to an end the advantage initially played or not - if it did, then both players can be carded and a free kick or penalty (I didn't see the incident in question) given for the second offence. It sounds from the description that the ref continued the initial advantage given so was technically defensible. It does suggest that there's an exploitable loophole in that if this is the standard interpretation there's an incentive for defending players during an advantage to engage in foul play to stop the advantage.

There was an interesting scenario in the "you're the ref" strip in the Observer this week with an attacker falling over in the box then blatantly handballing the ball to a player who then scored with the goal standing unless the ref thought the initial fall was a dive. Which seemed to me to take the advantage rule rather too far in the attacker's favour.

[Bernie]

Do any of you know what time Star Trek's on tonight?

[plumbs]

Apr 11, 2011 5:01:55 GMT 1 markelt said:

Oh, and Andre Marriner.

You'll learn this one day when whatever tinpot outfit you support is back in the EPL*

Make your mind up will you on the refs,but for serious foul play (the keepers bit) you have to award a free kick (penalty) and send off the player.A player can be dismissed for violent conduct at any time-inc after the game-so Herts is talking like an stereotypical exiled tangerine imposter(smiley)

For that btw von elt we'll be pulling over on the A500 tomorrow to goz on your 'welcome to Stoke' sign (on t'way to Derby)

*Beam me up Scotty

[markelt]

I wouldn't expect anything less from Dirty Leeds

[Wizaard]

Mason's cover was blown on a series of drop balls given when he had initially given a free kick to Arsenal (the default setting) then realised that no offence had taken place.

1. Wilshere falls over under challenge and grabs the ball despite the ref waving play on. Handball and free kick to Blackpool? No. Initially indicate a free kick to Arsenal and then have Blackpool return possession on an uncontested drop ball.

2. Wilshere and Southern challenge in the air and accidentally clash heads. Blow whistle and indicate free kick to Arsenal, then change your mind and have a contested drop ball.

3. Arsenal player sits on the ball and then tries to pick it up. Indicate free kick to Arsenal and then have another contested drop ball.

Cheat.

[markelt]

Was Fabregas playing? Did he commit a series of niggling fouls and get in the ref's ear at every chance trying to get your players booked?

[JohnnyNeptune]

they look like words but they all make no sense.

[plumbs]

Apr 11, 2011 13:55:56 GMT 1 markelt said:

I wouldn't expect anything less from Dirty Leeds

I've standards to uphold y'know

We might stop for a few in the Black Cock in Blythe Bridge on the way back-just depends if the rozzers can get their arses gear.
Elsewhere Wizz looks like he's jumped in a keepnet although it wont be the first time...