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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 9:47:41 GMT 1
Good on him! LINKHe's in our camp. Notice that the QPR case comes up ... again! It seems that nobody likes them or their attitude towards achieving success. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 9:59:10 GMT 1
Thats because he has Yorkshire pockets!
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 21, 2014 13:39:58 GMT 1
Not sure a fine is enough. What QPR are doing is cheating. Openly and knowingly cheating.
They know the financial parameters that they are supposed to operate in and they know ( roughly) what their income is.
What they've basically said to the FL is, you can stick your FFP up your arses- we'll spend whatever the hell we like and buy our way back into the prem. Then we'll take your fine on the chin knowing in the grand scheme of the prem gravy train, its not going to effect us at all.
Other clubs are the same like Leicester- and it looks like its going the plan is working for them.
For blatent cheating like QPR are doing, it should be a huge fine ( not paid by the owner but the club), a 10 point deduction for the following season whatever division they're in, and a transfer embargo on incomings until they can proove they are attempting at least to play by the rules.
You either enforce FFP rigorously or you might aswell scrap the whole idea.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 14:07:17 GMT 1
Not sure a fine is enough. What QPR are doing is cheating. Openly and knowingly cheating. They know the financial parameters that they are supposed to operate in and they know ( roughly) what their income is. What they've basically said to the FL is, you can stick your FFP up your arses- we'll spend whatever the hell we like and buy our way back into the prem. Then we'll take your fine on the chin knowing in the grand scheme of the prem gravy train, its not going to effect us at all. Other clubs are the same like Leicester- and it looks like its going the plan is working for them. For blatent cheating like QPR are doing, it should be a huge fine ( not paid by the owner but the club), a 10 point deduction for the following season whatever division they're in, and a transfer embargo on incomings until they can proove they are attempting at least to play by the rules. You either enforce FFP rigorously or you might aswell scrap the whole idea. Agree 100%, Cap'n. Aye, aye!  |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 21, 2014 14:24:24 GMT 1
Like I said no one will be punished and no one will have any points deducted, guaranteed. Total waste of time.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Mar 21, 2014 14:40:41 GMT 1
FFP is a joke and Mick McCarthy is jumping on the bandwagon because Ipswich have no cash an he's a moaning old twat
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 15:06:33 GMT 1
FFP is a joke and Mick McCarthy is jumping on the bandwagon because Ipswich have no cash an he's a moaning old twat Before he signed on at Ipswich I'd have been more than happy to have had him at Town. Good record at this level. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Mar 21, 2014 17:07:17 GMT 1
FFP is a joke and Mick McCarthy is jumping on the bandwagon because Ipswich have no cash an he's a moaning old twat Before he signed on at Ipswich I'd have been more than happy to have had him at Town. Good record at this level. Mick McCarthy spent millions at Wolves he didn't stand up and ask for ffp to be implemented when he was at a club with cash |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 17:45:27 GMT 1
Before he signed on at Ipswich I'd have been more than happy to have had him at Town. Good record at this level. he didn't stand up and ask for ffp to be implemented when he was at a club with cash Not in the championship he didn't.  |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 21, 2014 17:56:52 GMT 1
as long as we have a system that allows organisations/businesses to run with very large debts then ffp is going to be fought by quite a few clubs.. they will also win any court case. its a waste of time..
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 21, 2014 18:17:46 GMT 1
as long as we have a system that allows organisations/businesses to run with very large debts then ffp is going to be fought by quite a few clubs.. they will also win any court case. its a waste of time.. The football league already have some rules that are confusing, i.e. if you go into admin you can write down all your bills (inc tax) however all football debts must be honoured 100% otherwise you can't have your Golden Share. So they will hold a gun to the head of clubs when it suits The Football League is a "club" and it can decide what members have to do to be part of that club. People don't like those rules or won't stick to them they can join another "club" ... like the Conference! See how that helps their business plan! IMO if the League were to say at the start of the season here are the rules of our league. If you lose more than £8m you lose 10 points. Alternatively you can leave the competition if you don't like that. No one is forcing any club to play in the Football League If that is the competition rule all teams know the position at the start and can't cry fall if they lose 10 points We all know it wouldn't happen like that but I'm not sure anyone other than the players benefit from the current mess - there are lot of clubs literally dieing slow deaths and the League need to stand up and stop the slow bleed of loses that are killing too many teams Most US sports and Super League have a salary cap so it's not unprecedented in world sport to have one |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 21, 2014 18:46:54 GMT 1
Not sure a fine is enough. What QPR are doing is cheating. Openly and knowingly cheating. They know the financial parameters that they are supposed to operate in and they know ( roughly) what their income is. What they've basically said to the FL is, you can stick your FFP up your arses- we'll spend whatever the hell we like and buy our way back into the prem. Then we'll take your fine on the chin knowing in the grand scheme of the prem gravy train, its not going to effect us at all. Other clubs are the same like Leicester- and it looks like its going the plan is working for them. For blatent cheating like QPR are doing, it should be a huge fine ( not paid by the owner but the club), a 10 point deduction for the following season whatever division they're in, and a transfer embargo on incomings until they can proove they are attempting at least to play by the rules. You either enforce FFP rigorously or you might aswell scrap the whole idea. I think FFP is great because it will be all the funnier when QPR don't succeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 19:43:06 GMT 1
as long as we have a system that allows organisations/businesses to run with very large debts then ffp is going to be fought by quite a few clubs.. they will also win any court case. its a waste of time.. The football league already have some rules that are confusing, i.e. if you go into admin you can write down all your bills (inc tax) however all football debts must be honoured 100% otherwise you can't have your Golden Share. So they will hold a gun to the head of clubs when it suits The Football League is a "club" and it can decide what members have to do to be part of that club. People don't like those rules or won't stick to them they can join another "club" ... like the Conference! See how that helps their business plan! IMO if the League were to say at the start of the season here are the rules of our league. If you lose more than £8m you lose 10 points. Alternatively you can leave the competition if you don't like that. No one is forcing any club to play in the Football League If that is the competition rule all teams know the position at the start and can't cry fall if they lose 10 points We all know it wouldn't happen like that but I'm not sure anyone other than the players benefit from the current mess - there are lot of clubs literally dieing slow deaths and the League need to stand up and stop the slow bleed of loses that are killing too many teams Most US sports and Super League have a salary cap so it's not unprecedented in world sport to have one Yeah, it would be very brave of the courts to rule restraint of trade. The rules were mutually agreed fair and square by the clubs, according to all the correct procedures in the FL's constitution. What business of the judiciary is it what rules voluntary members of an organisation agree? QPR et al can put it to a vote; it was 23-3 last time. edit to say - what might bring it down is if the PL disapprove and threaten to withdraw solidarity payments. On past performance I can only see the FL backing down. |
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Post by slackjaw on Mar 21, 2014 19:49:55 GMT 1
So that's Ipswich and Wednesday who have spent nowt and are both above us in the league,kind of blows the old bigger budget's excuse out of the water...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 20:28:14 GMT 1
Like I said no one will be punished and no one will have any points deducted, guaranteed. Total waste of time. youare correct may be a fine which they wont bat a eye lid but points deduction not a chance |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 20:32:46 GMT 1
I'd scrap FFP tomorrow.
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Post by y2troy on Mar 21, 2014 22:11:48 GMT 1
Only punishing teams like QPR from the very top will anything happen,as previous posters have said nothing regarding FFP will happen ,surely what can be done is ...
Deduct points
Play behind closed doors
Relegate them(extreme i know but using italian league as example)
These are just a few things can do as these crook clubs will dispute an embargo,but if the club is not abiding to footballing rules apposed to financial rule sthen thats where could probably get some justice in all this if that makes sense.
In addition i would just like to add,when Harry Redknapp gets sacked wait untill the shit hits the fan,dodgy signings,agents fees,backhanders and then QPR doing a Pompey and then they scrimping and saving when there chsirman does one and they go from ground to ground with their plastic buckets.The point i am making is wherever Redknapp goes leaves a paper trail and the FFP people need to use this as an example to other clubs.
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Post by terrierng on Mar 21, 2014 22:23:48 GMT 1
Clubs like qpr and Leicester are budgeting for any fine, they don't give two shits about any rules. ..any fine any club got was supposed to be shared between the clubs who adhered to ffp....the prem league put a stop to that and now any fine goes to charity. .. only a points deduction will stop clubs but the fa haven't got the balls to carry it through. ....ffp isva total waste of time.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Mar 21, 2014 22:33:17 GMT 1
Regardless of FFP we're doing the right thing, I don't want our club played like a roulette wheel again.
Rather have stability, a longterm plan and standing for something positive in the community than take a cash injection from being part of some dodgy billionaires money laundering scheme
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Post by buzz on Mar 21, 2014 23:48:52 GMT 1
Be careful what you wish for!!.......Deano has been putting millions into us for years...wouldn't be surprised if we a very close to breaking the rules!
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Post by bluesandtwos on Mar 22, 2014 12:40:15 GMT 1
Be careful what you wish for!!.......Deano has been putting millions into us for years...wouldn't be surprised if we a very close to breaking the rules! But the Town Board have a plan to ensure they adhere to FFP, which is one of the reasons we got two (three?) strikers on frees. Dean is well aware of the rules and has supported them. We will be within them I am sure but it does make the playing field less level when some clubs break them by big amounts and others have parachutes payments. It is still an unfair system. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Mar 22, 2014 18:50:28 GMT 1
Comes across as a professional yorkshireman a bit but MM usually talks sense and he usually holds his hands up when his selection or tactics have been wrong. I was hoping we could have lured him here after Clark was sacked but not to be.
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