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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 16:07:16 GMT 1
Remember Simon Webster well and glad I was able to introduce you to the concept of humour. before you go I had another very quick search to put up another couple of articles you can dismiss as adding to the myth. www.just-football.com/2009/01/valley-of-discontent-charlton-athletic/'By and large most fans were grateful to Curbishley and sad to see him go. But there also existed from some quarters a lingering undercurrent of satisfaction and even contentment that he was leaving. A section of the club’s supporters were of the opinion that, after six seasons of mid-table comfort, it was time for a change, time for a new manager with fresh ideas to take over and push the club higher up the table, towards the ultimate goal of European football. Time for a change of direction, a modern approach, a new Charlton Athletic.' bleacherreport.com/articles/1415997-the-curious-case-of-alan-curbishley-footballs-forgotten-man'While Curbishley always achieved this aim comfortably, always steering the Addicks well clear of the relegation scrap, there were calls for a more ambitious approach. In his last season the addition of expert goal snaffler Darren Bent gave Charlton this greater cutting edge. However, despite the future England man netting eighteen times in the league, Curbishley left on something of a low, losing 4-0 to Manchester United to finish 13th come curtain call. Eventually, after sixteen years at Charlton in a coaching capacity, eleven of which were spent in sole charge of the team, he left in search of a more high profile post and to satisfy those supporters who felt his reign had gone stale.' You seem like a sound fella though and you'll be more than welcome back, especially if you've managed to get Eight Ball out of your arse by then.
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Post by pieeater on Sept 5, 2014 16:17:21 GMT 1
How long did it take you to knock that straw man up? Not nearly long enough. The correct analogy would be you going on a Charlton forum in 2020 telling them why Peter Clarke would make a great manager for them and one of their angry old men trying to belittle you because we drove Lee Clark out of a job despite us being 3rd in the table and having recently been on a 49 game unbeaten run. For a start I wasn't trying to belittle him at all . I was trying to belittle the idiot charlton fan who claimed he thought it was shit when they were winning L1 by a mile and finishing 9th in the championship the following season! I likened him to the idiot charlton fans who wanted AC out because mid table prem football wasn't enough for them. Without wishing to take sides in this fascinating debate, I very much doubt Mr Scabbyhorse was/is a Charlton fan. Smacked of a WUM/troll to be, and I've never heard the phrase 'I could eat a scabby horse' used by anyone other than a northerner. Not conclusive, but probably not worth anyone getting their knickers in a twist over.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 5, 2014 16:17:18 GMT 1
I've been offering a Yorkshire DNA transplant to women for years; sadly it's not a very effective chat up line. If that's you in your avatar I'd say your chat up lines are the least of your worries...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 16:20:53 GMT 1
I've been offering a Yorkshire DNA transplant to women for years; sadly it's not a very effective chat up line. If that's you in your avatar I'd say your chat up lines are the least of your worries... Bloody awful, isn't it? I've been using when people ask for pictures of my new baby. Amazing how polite people can be
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Post by webbo on Sept 5, 2014 16:21:53 GMT 1
I think the comebacks started when scabbyhorse who claims to be a Charlton fan, decided to spout that the football was shit etc. He may or maybe not a Charlton fan but obviously a WUM. Don't be sad you were not born in Yorkshire as we are running out of room. I have seen scabbyhorse post on Charlton forums, s/he is indeed a Charlton fan, but rather a bitter one judging by the kind of stuff s/he says. I was born in Kent (the London bit), all of us have accidents of birth, some luckier than others. A bit of research led to this nugget 'Oxfam recently announced that per head of population Huddersfield makes the largest donation in England'. So good for all of you, and I have named my son after the actor who plays Cptn Picard (actually is that who Captain of this parish actually is?).
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Post by webbo on Sept 5, 2014 16:22:11 GMT 1
I think the comebacks started when scabbyhorse who claims to be a Charlton fan, decided to spout that the football was shit etc. He may or maybe not a Charlton fan but obviously a WUM. Don't be sad you were not born in Yorkshire as we are running out of room. I have seen scabbyhorse post on Charlton forums, s/he is indeed a Charlton fan, but rather a bitter one judging by the kind of stuff s/he says. I was born in Kent (the London bit), all of us have accidents of birth, some luckier than others. A bit of research led to this nugget 'Oxfam recently announced that per head of population Huddersfield makes the largest donation in England'. So good for all of you, and I have named my son after the actor who plays Cptn Picard (actually is that who Captain of this parish actually is?).
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 16:33:10 GMT 1
I think the comebacks started when scabbyhorse who claims to be a Charlton fan, decided to spout that the football was shit etc. He may or maybe not a Charlton fan but obviously a WUM. Don't be sad you were not born in Yorkshire as we are running out of room. I have seen scabbyhorse post on Charlton forums, s/he is indeed a Charlton fan, but rather a bitter one judging by the kind of stuff s/he says. I was born in Kent (the London bit), all of us have accidents of birth, some luckier than others. A bit of research led to this nugget 'Oxfam recently announced that per head of population Huddersfield makes the largest donation in England'. So good for all of you, and I have named my son after the actor who plays Cptn Picard (actually is that who Captain of this parish actually is?).
No, sadly not in monetary terms though we are from the same town and have the same hair style. Our local high school named the new hall they'd built after Patrick Stewart. Believe it or not its now called 'Stewart Hall' , which is a little unfortunate.
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Post by webbo on Sept 5, 2014 16:46:54 GMT 1
Remember Simon Webster well and glad I was able to introduce you to the concept of humour. before you go I had another very quick search to put up another couple of articles you can dismiss as adding to the myth. www.just-football.com/2009/01/valley-of-discontent-charlton-athletic/'By and large most fans were grateful to Curbishley and sad to see him go. But there also existed from some quarters a lingering undercurrent of satisfaction and even contentment that he was leaving. A section of the club’s supporters were of the opinion that, after six seasons of mid-table comfort, it was time for a change, time for a new manager with fresh ideas to take over and push the club higher up the table, towards the ultimate goal of European football. Time for a change of direction, a modern approach, a new Charlton Athletic.' bleacherreport.com/articles/1415997-the-curious-case-of-alan-curbishley-footballs-forgotten-man'While Curbishley always achieved this aim comfortably, always steering the Addicks well clear of the relegation scrap, there were calls for a more ambitious approach. In his last season the addition of expert goal snaffler Darren Bent gave Charlton this greater cutting edge. However, despite the future England man netting eighteen times in the league, Curbishley left on something of a low, losing 4-0 to Manchester United to finish 13th come curtain call. Eventually, after sixteen years at Charlton in a coaching capacity, eleven of which were spent in sole charge of the team, he left in search of a more high profile post and to satisfy those supporters who felt his reign had gone stale.' You seem like a sound fella though and you'll be more than welcome back, especially if you've managed to get Eight Ball out of your arse by then. You have linked two articles, one written by 'Jonathan F' whoever that is, in 2009 three years after Curbs departure, who has written what you quoted...not from a position of any evidence, but in the light of Charlton's demise three years after Curbs left. Not a Charlton fan, but a lazy journalist getting his word count up by perpetuating a myth that suited the story he wanted to spin. Jonathan F has merely asserted something, and has nothing to back it up with.
The next link is to an article from 2012, written by Sean Cole from that famous Charlton hotbed of knowledge and support...The University of Sheffield (fair enough it is in Yorkshire, so it must be automatically true). Now I don't know if Sean is/was a journalism student, possibly wanting to get into football reporting, but anyway he has the authority of someone writing six years after the event, with no evidence to back up his assertion ('satisfy those supporters who felt his reign had gone stale') in his article, but he must anyway be right because like Huddersfield, Sheffield is in Yorkshire.
If I manage to get Eight Ball out of my arse (?!?), please don't think that will then allow you access to it, however much you might want to.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 17:12:56 GMT 1
Good dismissing!! lol Ok, Im now beginning to realise that only registered Charlton fans approved as such by yourself, have the authority to write about what happens at charlton with any possible semblance of accuracy. Maybe the people writing these articles also heard all the actors calling into Talksport pretending to be charlton fans , and subsequently felt the need to carry the myth on?
Anythings possible.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 17:24:23 GMT 1
One last try. Im nothing if not patient. This one has real life approved charlton fans discussing it. I;m not sure if you know them though like you don't know Jonathan F. They reckon it was about 20% that wanted AC out and even mention the callers on talksport ( maybe they did exist after all!!) www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A49872874
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Post by webbo on Sept 5, 2014 17:39:02 GMT 1
Good dismissing!! lol Ok, Im now beginning to realise that only registered Charlton fans approved as such by yourself, have the authority to write about what happens at charlton with any possible semblance of accuracy. Maybe the people writing these articles also heard all the actors calling into Talksport pretending to be charlton fans , and subsequently felt the need to carry the myth on? Anythings possible. It wasn't 'all those actors' though was it. As you well know it was Patrick Stewart doing a couple of funny voices to give you ammunition for this thread. As a starship captain he had travelled into the future an knew you'd need the help.
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Post by bobbin on Sept 5, 2014 17:41:22 GMT 1
One last try. Im nothing if not patient. This one has real life approved charlton fans discussing it. I;m not sure if you know them though like you don't know Jonathan F. They reckon it was about 20% that wanted AC out and even mention the callers on talksport ( maybe they did exist after all!!) www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A49872874So he was 'forced' out with the full support of 80% of the fans?
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Post by webbo on Sept 5, 2014 17:48:13 GMT 1
One last try. Im nothing if not patient. This one has real life approved charlton fans discussing it. I;m not sure if you know them though like you don't know Jonathan F. They reckon it was about 20% that wanted AC out and even mention the callers on talksport ( maybe they did exist after all!!) www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A49872874Well that is a link but if you read it there are other deluded fans like me also attesting that we didn't force curbs out. Someone 'reckons' that about 20% of mouthy fans in one seated area of the ground were on curbs back. I never miss a home game and sit near that stand and never heard a dicky bird but then again my hearing aid may have been playing up. I agree that our demise has been shameful and embarassing but it really isn't a case of 'be careful what you wish for'. Our demise came about for other reasons, not because Charlton fans hounded curbs out. Unless you say otherwise naturally.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 18:03:52 GMT 1
Well 20 % is what it is- some fans weren't happy and wanted him out and made it known. And like I said to the scabby bloke, maybe he was one of them. It isn't NO fans wanted him out is it? At least we can agree they actually exists so were getting somewhere.
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Post by bobbin on Sept 5, 2014 18:09:14 GMT 1
Well 20 % is what it is- some fans weren't happy and wanted him out and made it known. And like I said to the scabby bloke, maybe he was one of them. It isn't NO fans wanted him out is it? At least we can agree they actually exists so were getting somewhere. You asked Scabby if he contributed to the driving out of AC, there's a huge difference between a small minority wanting change and fans forcing the resignation of a manager.
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Post by webbo on Sept 5, 2014 18:10:40 GMT 1
If a Huddersfield fan once shouted out 'Jordan Rhodes you're useless' I wouldn't conclude from that that Rhodes was despised by Terriers fans. I would assume it was the kind of nutter all clubs have in their support.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 5, 2014 18:36:35 GMT 1
Well 20 % is what it is- some fans weren't happy and wanted him out and made it known. And like I said to the scabby bloke, maybe he was one of them. It isn't NO fans wanted him out is it? At least we can agree they actually exists so were getting somewhere. Oh North is North and South is South and never the twain shall meet
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Post by midlander on Sept 5, 2014 18:39:26 GMT 1
If a Huddersfield fan once shouted out 'Jordan Rhodes you're useless' I wouldn't conclude from that that Rhodes was despised by Terriers fans. I would assume it was the kind of nutter all clubs have in their support. It may surprise you to hear that there were quite a few Town fans who derided Rhodes quite frequently. Like you say though, hardly indicative of the mass opinion.
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Post by sudbury on Sept 5, 2014 18:43:19 GMT 1
Does anyone know if he's going to live in the area, if so, he'll be able buy a whole terrace of houses in Milnsbridge when he sells his home in Banstead, Surrey. But I think he'll keep his house there and rent something up here.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 18:51:10 GMT 1
If a Huddersfield fan once shouted out 'Jordan Rhodes you're useless' I wouldn't conclude from that that Rhodes was despised by Terriers fans. I would assume it was the kind of nutter all clubs have in their support. But it wasn't 1 charlton fan though was it. And 20% being vocal about it doesn't mean the other 80% were fully in support. At our first game of the season there might have been 10% chanting 'you don't know what you're doing' at Robins, but I can promise you the other 90% weren't all fully behind him or anything like it. I accept, 'driven out' by these fans is too strong, but suspect they will have contributed to his decision to leave, vocal minority or not. BUT THEY DID EXIST- which was my point all along!! He probably thought hed taken the club as far as he could and so did the board, so when 3 or 4000 fans are also telling him that he probably thought, you know what , Im off.
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Post by webbo on Sept 5, 2014 18:58:31 GMT 1
Captain slapper I will say two things.
One: You're a persistent and bloody minded Yorkshireman who insists on the last word.
Two: Beam me up Scotty.
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Post by pettsy74 on Sept 5, 2014 19:05:10 GMT 1
One last try. Im nothing if not patient. This one has real life approved charlton fans discussing it. I;m not sure if you know them though like you don't know Jonathan F. They reckon it was about 20% that wanted AC out and even mention the callers on talksport ( maybe they did exist after all!!) www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A49872874So he was 'forced' out with the full support of 80% of the fans? Yes absolutely, if that 20 % is the vocal minority then that's more than enough ....how many times have you seen a manager sacked for " losing the fans " I reckon if 20% of any teams fans boo the manager then that's more than enough to see a change !!
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Post by pettsy74 on Sept 5, 2014 19:06:09 GMT 1
Captain slapper I will say two things. One: You're a persistent and bloody minded Yorkshireman who insists on the last word. Two: Beam me up Scotty. There u go captain , proper funny them southerners !
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Post by bobbin on Sept 5, 2014 19:12:43 GMT 1
So he was 'forced' out with the full support of 80% of the fans? Yes absolutely, if that 20 % is the vocal minority then that's more than enough ....how many times have you seen a manager sacked for " losing the fans " I reckon if 20% of any teams fans boo the manager then that's more than enough to see a change !! The point is mate, the 20% weren't vocal, there was no booing or chanting. I do not recall any fan I know ever saying Curbs should leave.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 20:16:18 GMT 1
Yet other charlton fans do. And loads of journalists do. And i and others do on talksport. And 20% isn't nobody like the lad who's been beamed up was trying to make out. No evidence my arse.
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Post by bobbin on Sept 5, 2014 20:31:29 GMT 1
Yet other charlton fans do. And loads of journalists do. And i and others do on talksport. And 20% isn't nobody like the lad who's been beamed up was trying to make out. No evidence my arse. I can't speak for other Charlton fans and what they discussed but I never had a conversation with another Charlton fan which included how we'd like AC to leave and I have had quite a few conversations with fellow Charlton fans over the years. As for any booing of Curbs or any negative chanting, this simply never happened. I appreciate your point and the fact you perhaps used a poor choice of words but the fact a small minority thought a new manager may take us further than Curbs is no different to every other club and it's fans up and down the country who feel they need a new manager which makes this whole debate completely pointless, how it's lasted over 2 pages is beyond me.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 5, 2014 20:32:52 GMT 1
Remember Simon Webster well and glad I was able to introduce you to the concept of humour. before you go I had another very quick search to put up another couple of articles you can dismiss as adding to the myth. www.just-football.com/2009/01/valley-of-discontent-charlton-athletic/'By and large most fans were grateful to Curbishley and sad to see him go. But there also existed from some quarters a lingering undercurrent of satisfaction and even contentment that he was leaving. A section of the club’s supporters were of the opinion that, after six seasons of mid-table comfort, it was time for a change, time for a new manager with fresh ideas to take over and push the club higher up the table, towards the ultimate goal of European football. Time for a change of direction, a modern approach, a new Charlton Athletic.' bleacherreport.com/articles/1415997-the-curious-case-of-alan-curbishley-footballs-forgotten-man'While Curbishley always achieved this aim comfortably, always steering the Addicks well clear of the relegation scrap, there were calls for a more ambitious approach. In his last season the addition of expert goal snaffler Darren Bent gave Charlton this greater cutting edge. However, despite the future England man netting eighteen times in the league, Curbishley left on something of a low, losing 4-0 to Manchester United to finish 13th come curtain call. Eventually, after sixteen years at Charlton in a coaching capacity, eleven of which were spent in sole charge of the team, he left in search of a more high profile post and to satisfy those supporters who felt his reign had gone stale.' You seem like a sound fella though and you'll be more than welcome back, especially if you've managed to get Eight Ball out of your arse by then. You've had a productive afternoon haven't you? Presumably I've crawled up his arse because I agree with him? Or is it because I've committed the cardinal sin of showing up The Captain of HMS Down At The Mac? What a domineering, egotistical character you are. Your patter on this thread has been fucking woeful, but you don't even realise why, despite me spelling it out once. Since it didn't register for you the first time I'll say it again - these Charlton fans have a perspective you can never have. They've been to the games, they've heard the chants, they've argued about it in the boozer afterwards. You've dredged up a few blogs and half forgotten memories to try and support your limp argument, but this is the thing... It doesn't even matter if you're right or wrong. A Charlton fan is offering an insight we'd never have had. Instead of showing a bit of grace and realising his opinion in this matter is worth a thousand posts of you talking second hand bollocks from 200 miles and 8 years away, you've tried to shout him down in your oh so familiar passive-aggressive style. Not sure whether you've called anyone an idiot on this thread for daring to voice a conflicting opinion but you usually do. And it makes you look like an absolute c***.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 5, 2014 23:10:31 GMT 1
Ooooo, get her!!
I can't tell you how much Im laughing at how angry you are.
Partly because you tried to come over all smart telling me what a mare I was having, but yet apparently haven't been able to grasp what this conversation was about. And partly because even when my point has finally been accepted by the charlton fan -ie- that there actually were CAFC fans who wanted Curbishley out and there is actually evidence of that, you still stay on your high horse with your high opinion of yourself and can't bring yourself to admit you've been totally missing the fucking point all along!!!
the only people Ive called an idiot on this thread are the charlton fan who thought it was shit when they were winning League 1, and the charlton fans who wanted curbishley out. I could call you one too as you've certainly acted like one, but i can tell you're very cross and wouldn't want to upset you further. Next time you jump in to tell me Im having a mare, you might want to think it through a bit more, so when it turns out I was right you won;t look such a prick.
Nice hypocrisy about my passive aggressive style though.
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Post by 5kippy on Sept 5, 2014 23:41:55 GMT 1
Remember Simon Webster well and glad I was able to introduce you to the concept of humour. before you go I had another very quick search to put up another couple of articles you can dismiss as adding to the myth. www.just-football.com/2009/01/valley-of-discontent-charlton-athletic/'By and large most fans were grateful to Curbishley and sad to see him go. But there also existed from some quarters a lingering undercurrent of satisfaction and even contentment that he was leaving. A section of the club’s supporters were of the opinion that, after six seasons of mid-table comfort, it was time for a change, time for a new manager with fresh ideas to take over and push the club higher up the table, towards the ultimate goal of European football. Time for a change of direction, a modern approach, a new Charlton Athletic.' bleacherreport.com/articles/1415997-the-curious-case-of-alan-curbishley-footballs-forgotten-man'While Curbishley always achieved this aim comfortably, always steering the Addicks well clear of the relegation scrap, there were calls for a more ambitious approach. In his last season the addition of expert goal snaffler Darren Bent gave Charlton this greater cutting edge. However, despite the future England man netting eighteen times in the league, Curbishley left on something of a low, losing 4-0 to Manchester United to finish 13th come curtain call. Eventually, after sixteen years at Charlton in a coaching capacity, eleven of which were spent in sole charge of the team, he left in search of a more high profile post and to satisfy those supporters who felt his reign had gone stale.' You seem like a sound fella though and you'll be more than welcome back, especially if you've managed to get Eight Ball out of your arse by then. You've had a productive afternoon haven't you? Presumably I've crawled up his arse because I agree with him? Or is it because I've committed the cardinal sin of showing up The Captain of HMS Down At The Mac? What a domineering, egotistical character you are. Your patter on this thread has been fucking woeful, but you don't even realise why, despite me spelling it out once. Since it didn't register for you the first time I'll say it again - these Charlton fans have a perspective you can never have. They've been to the games, they've heard the chants, they've argued about it in the boozer afterwards. You've dredged up a few blogs and half forgotten memories to try and support your limp argument, but this is the thing... It doesn't even matter if you're right or wrong. A Charlton fan is offering an insight we'd never have had. Instead of showing a bit of grace and realising his opinion in this matter is worth a thousand posts of you talking second hand bollocks from 200 miles and 8 years away, you've tried to shout him down in your oh so familiar passive-aggressive style. Not sure whether you've called anyone an idiot on this thread for daring to voice a conflicting opinion but you usually do. And it makes you look like an absolute c***. Is this the dawn of "The new Sugy ,"?
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Post by jb1 on Sept 5, 2014 23:54:46 GMT 1
This thread is now at 31 pages. It's about our new manager. The last two pages are not about our new manager they are about two people arguing about something that happened years ago which didn't involve our new manager.
You both seem reasonable people.
Any chance we can call it a draw?
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