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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:03:26 GMT 1
Blame Trevor Cherry from what I heard Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Bruce sold him, end of. Don't buy the story about the board selling Stewart behind Bruce's back because Bruce was ON the board.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:19:00 GMT 1
Club life president Davey needs to cough up for his meal with part of the reported 2 million he recieved from the club for the return of the 40% shares. Do you know anything about Town Sugy? Everything you post is a new low in a constant litany of utter dross. Ruberry wrote off millions to prevent us sliding into liquidation. Davy recouped the £2m he'd invested in Town on transferring the shares. This isn't an invite to talk over old, much discussed ground. Please just accept you have some daft views based on fantasy and let's move on. UTT.
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 17, 2014 21:21:50 GMT 1
Blame Trevor Cherry from what I heard Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Bruce sold him, end of. Don't buy the story about the board selling Stewart behind Bruce's back because Bruce was ON the board. If you're determined it's Bruces fault is he also to blame for putting together the best Town team I've seen in 40 years ? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 17, 2014 21:22:06 GMT 1
Barry Rubery gave us some exciting times and then walked away when he realised it was a bottomless pit and wrote off millions. I'm not sure why he gets so much stick from some on here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:35:46 GMT 1
No suiting some folk on here at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:41:54 GMT 1
Barry Rubery gave us some exciting times and then walked away when he realised it was a bottomless pit and wrote off millions. I'm not sure why he gets so much stick from some on here. Met him a few times and he seemed a reasonably decent fella - in fact he played footy in a Town staff XI against the netTerriers, and was an ok player too. His son came across as a bit of a dick, but he was young and probably had a bit of a strange childhood, so I'll let him off. I think hes a football agent now? None of these people MEAN for things to go bad, its a bit harsh to hold their history against them. Even Mick Wadsworth.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 17, 2014 21:46:11 GMT 1
£75 per head - how much?!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 17, 2014 21:56:55 GMT 1
Clibbens acknowledged that Ayre had "looked after us" with the transfers of Coady and Robinson. So, I can't see the problem myself. Hoyle said the same about pubic last Thursday night Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards A Freudian slip? They could possibly meet on Mount Veneris
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 17, 2014 21:59:51 GMT 1
Clibbens acknowledged that Ayre had "looked after us" with the transfers of Coady and Robinson. So, I can't see the problem myself. Hoyle said the same about pubic last Thursday night Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Ah, pubic Ayre...the old grey matter is fermenting.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Sept 17, 2014 22:41:24 GMT 1
Ayre and Rubery were learning about the business of football when they were with us...just like Clibbens and Hoyle are now. They didnt INTENTIONALLY lose their bottle or cock things up! I know it's going over old ground but any idiot with half a football brain would've realised that by selling your main player (Stewart) to your rivals will result in your form taking a turn for the worst on the pitch at a very crucial time in the season. The days of us selling our best players to our rivals are in the past...
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Post by ? on Sept 17, 2014 22:46:50 GMT 1
My simplistic take on it all, was that Ayre was running the club as if the money would never run out, Rubery signed off on everything and then got wobbly when he thought he was getting divorced(it didn't help that the crowds barely raised despite being in contention at the top end of the table all season) and the second the money stopped then so did Bruce's efforts and he waited for the sack and the club drifted, hemorrhaging cash until David Taylor was able to persuade Rubery to sell/relinquish control but didn't have enough resources to cover the losses (or fingers to plug the holes in the dike). During the subsequent admin period, Rubery waived his £12m in loans to allow a takeover. I don't believe Davy would have taken over if Rubery's portion of the debt hadn't have been written off. The website deal was either part of the original sale to Taylor or the writing off of the loans. Either way he'll never see anything near the value of the original loans from the website revenue. Agree with the sentiment, and doubt the website makes any money, but that sparked an interesting thought. The Wigan match was streamed online unofficially and there are more and more streams every year. The growth of Internet TVs and netflix style sites show its the future of broadcasting. I don't think it will be too long (next 10 years) before all games are streamed officially through Sky/BT or why not cut out the middleman and do it through the official site. I don't know what the deal is with the town site, but it might not be the worst idea to buy it back while it's value is so low.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 17, 2014 23:03:17 GMT 1
My simplistic take on it all, was that Ayre was running the club as if the money would never run out, Rubery signed off on everything and then got wobbly when he thought he was getting divorced(it didn't help that the crowds barely raised despite being in contention at the top end of the table all season) and the second the money stopped then so did Bruce's efforts and he waited for the sack and the club drifted, hemorrhaging cash until David Taylor was able to persuade Rubery to sell/relinquish control but didn't have enough resources to cover the losses (or fingers to plug the holes in the dike). During the subsequent admin period, Rubery waived his £12m in loans to allow a takeover. I don't believe Davy would have taken over if Rubery's portion of the debt hadn't have been written off. The website deal was either part of the original sale to Taylor or the writing off of the loans. Either way he'll never see anything near the value of the original loans from the website revenue. Agree with the sentiment, and doubt the website makes any money, but that sparked an interesting thought. The Wigan match was streamed online unofficially and there are more and more streams every year. The growth of Internet TVs and netflix style sites show its the future of broadcasting. I don't think it will be too long (next 10 years) before all games are streamed officially through Sky/BT or why not cut out the middleman and do it through the official site. I don't know what the deal is with the town site, but it might not be the worst idea to buy it back while it's value is so low. Whenever there is a legal stream, there will be dozens of illegal streams available. I used to subscribe to a reasonably priced MLB official stream with years of backdated games available. I didn't with the overpriced NFL, I doubt an official Football/Championship/Town one would be sensibly priced for subscription.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 23:07:52 GMT 1
Every club has it's share of villains over the yrs.
I think in terms of Town we've been exceptionally lucky with Davy being the obvious black mark (in my living memory). Don't think Rubery has ever been the villain some on here might think...
Leeds in more recent yrs have had Ridsdale, Bates and now Cellino - for all the hate/banter towards them you have to feel for genuine and normal Leeds fans whilst we enjoy what could be a nice steady road to many yrs of prosperity...
As for website revenues - it's like anything, the market becomes saturated, unique offerings become commodities and margins drop. The internet will continue to be profitable for many I'm sure but it will also be a bloodbath out there...
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Post by htfctx on Sept 17, 2014 23:15:14 GMT 1
My simplistic take on it all, was that Ayre was running the club as if the money would never run out, Rubery signed off on everything and then got wobbly when he thought he was getting divorced(it didn't help that the crowds barely raised despite being in contention at the top end of the table all season) and the second the money stopped then so did Bruce's efforts and he waited for the sack and the club drifted, hemorrhaging cash until David Taylor was able to persuade Rubery to sell/relinquish control but didn't have enough resources to cover the losses (or fingers to plug the holes in the dike). During the subsequent admin period, Rubery waived his £12m in loans to allow a takeover. I don't believe Davy would have taken over if Rubery's portion of the debt hadn't have been written off. The website deal was either part of the original sale to Taylor or the writing off of the loans. Either way he'll never see anything near the value of the original loans from the website revenue. Divorce was touchy, wasn't Stewart a little too cosy with Ruberry's missus?
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Post by 5kippy on Sept 17, 2014 23:24:10 GMT 1
Disgusting - shocking - how could we let somebody like him back into the club...blah blah blah I'm sure it was Ayre that let Herbert Chapman go to Arsenal. We could have won the league 6 times in a row if it wasn't for him! Leeds is on Saturday chaps. We should all be enjoying the excitement and anticipation of this local derby, not jumping on the "delusional past" bandwagon. And for all you maniacal depressives out there just think that this Saturday is a win-win for you guys - If we lose, you can spout your glorious shit and if we win you can always moan about the ticket prices - priceless.....
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Post by htfctx on Sept 17, 2014 23:30:27 GMT 1
Then Stewart went to Ipswich and did the same thing? Matt Holland broke his jaw?
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 18, 2014 11:00:00 GMT 1
I hate Ayre. Not just what he did at Town, although that's the main reason. His arrogance, his money-grabbing profit before people attitude, his fucking Harley ...
I love the "move on" comments. There's a certain irony when it comes from people with banners celebrating the 1920s.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Sept 18, 2014 11:16:57 GMT 1
Barry Rubery gave us some exciting times and then walked away when he realised it was a bottomless pit and wrote off millions. I'm not sure why he gets so much stick from some on here. And our star striker was giving his wife one and also teammates other halves one as well, allegedly
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 18, 2014 11:23:28 GMT 1
Barry Rubery gave us some exciting times and then walked away when he realised it was a bottomless pit and wrote off millions. I'm not sure why he gets so much stick from some on here. And our star striker was giving his wife one and also teammates other halves one as well, allegedly That's a convenient excuse for the biggest cock up since saying, "no Bill, you can't have Yeats and St John".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:15:18 GMT 1
Bruce sold him, end of. Don't buy the story about the board selling Stewart behind Bruce's back because Bruce was ON the board. If you're determined it's Bruces fault is he also to blame for putting together the best Town team I've seen in 40 years ? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards What are you on about? I never disputed that, Bruce sold Marcus Stewart, that is all I said. Jog on lad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:16:01 GMT 1
Barry Rubery gave us some exciting times and then walked away when he realised it was a bottomless pit and wrote off millions. I'm not sure why he gets so much stick from some on here. And our star striker was giving his wife one and also teammates other halves one as well, allegedly Rubery's daughter actually, that came from Robbie Edwards.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Sept 18, 2014 13:32:30 GMT 1
£75 per head - how much?! £120 in Cleopatras
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 18, 2014 14:03:17 GMT 1
If you're determined it's Bruces fault is he also to blame for putting together the best Town team I've seen in 40 years ? Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards What are you on about? I never disputed that, Bruce sold Marcus Stewart, that is all I said. Jog on lad. Despite Rubery saying that he was sold when Cherry "advised" him that Stewy wasn't good enough for the PL Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 18, 2014 15:18:03 GMT 1
Club life president Davey needs to cough up for his meal with part of the reported 2 million he recieved from the club for the return of the 40% shares. Do you know anything about Town Sugy? Everything you post is a new low in a constant litany of utter dross. Rubery wrote off millions to prevent us sliding into liquidation. Davy recouped the £2m he'd invested in Town on transferring the shares. This isn't an invite to talk over old, much discussed ground. Please just accept you have some daft views based on fantasy and let's move on. UTT. No mention above regarding the mass protest from our fans for the return of the club shares from Davey and the T shirts that were printed to mark the protest.. The return price of the clubs 40% shares might have been alot higher had Kirklees council not stepped in and withheld planning permission for the K S D L H D 1 project, worth an estimated 100 million. Rubery was an irresponsible chairman and a perfect example of why the fair play rules were introduced .
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 18, 2014 15:52:52 GMT 1
Just a message to the Rubery sympathisers ---- Why do you think the fair play rules were introduced ?? and thank god we now have a sensible chairman in Mr Dean Hoyle.
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Post by bristolterrier on Sept 18, 2014 15:59:07 GMT 1
I know it's going over old ground but any idiot with half a football brain would've realised that by selling your main player (Stewart) to your rivals will result in your form taking a turn for the worst on the pitch at a very crucial time in the season. Blame Bruce for that. I have had the opportunity to speak with Steve Bruce about the Stewart transfer and he seemed a genuinely good guy. The bit that stands out for me was when he said. "It was a chance for me to manage at the highest domestic level and somewhere I had played for most of my career. Why on earth would I therefore sell my best player to a rival?"
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 18, 2014 16:06:35 GMT 1
Just a message to the Rubery sympathisers ---- Why do you think the fair play rules were introduced ?? and thank god we now have a sensible chairman in Mr Dean Hoyle. Rubery spent his money and took his losses on the chin. It was the ill advised takeover from Rubery which caused all the problems. Rather than jumping in they should've waited for BR to sell at a nominal figure including wiping off the debt the club owed him. Rubery could easily have made the administration process very (or even more) protracted and painful, but didn't.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 18, 2014 16:14:59 GMT 1
Just a message to the Rubery sympathisers ---- Why do you think the fair play rules were introduced ?? and thank god we now have a sensible chairman in Mr Dean Hoyle. Rubery spent his money and took his losses on the chin. It was the ill advised takeover from Rubery which caused all the problems. Rather than jumping in they should've waited for BR to sell at a nominal figure including wiping off the debt the club owed him. Rubery could easily have made the administration process very (or even more) protracted and painful, but didn't. The existing players contracts needed to be paid, Rubery DID sell for a nominal fee but the club was saddled with ridiculous contracts that the club's income could not sustain. It WAS these player contracts that Rubery signed off on that killed the club not David Taylor's manful efforts to right the ship or plug the many leaks in the dike.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 18, 2014 18:01:35 GMT 1
Rubery spent his money and took his losses on the chin. It was the ill advised takeover from Rubery which caused all the problems. Rather than jumping in they should've waited for BR to sell at a nominal figure including wiping off the debt the club owed him. Rubery could easily have made the administration process very (or even more) protracted and painful, but didn't. The existing players contracts needed to be paid, Rubery DID sell for a nominal fee but the club was saddled with ridiculous contracts that the club's income could not sustain. It WAS these player contracts that Rubery signed off on that killed the club not David Taylor's manful efforts to right the ship or plug the many leaks in the dike. My admiration for David Taylor knows few bounds. I just think jumping in too early made things worse (but this is also 20/20 hindsight)
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 18, 2014 19:18:44 GMT 1
Rubery spent his money and took his losses on the chin. It was the ill advised takeover from Rubery which caused all the problems. Rather than jumping in they should've waited for BR to sell at a nominal figure including wiping off the debt the club owed him. Rubery could easily have made the administration process very (or even more) protracted and painful, but didn't. The existing players contracts needed to be paid, Rubery DID sell for a nominal fee but the club was saddled with ridiculous contracts that the club's income could not sustain. It WAS these player contracts that Rubery signed off on that killed the club not David Taylor's manful efforts to right the ship or plug the many leaks in the dike. Not one mention above of how irresponsible Rubery was , whatever he did. The fair play rules were put in place to prevent clubs overspending and very much doubt Dean Hoyle would break these rules.
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