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Post by JerryG on Sept 22, 2014 8:48:16 GMT 1
The thing is, it wasn't just losing on Saturday, because to be honest I was half expecting it, it's the way we lost. We seemed to be on the back foot most of the match and having watched Leeds Utd on TV before, they've struggled when teams take the game to them. Surely our staff must have noticed that so why didn't come out with all guns blazing. Okay, their first goal came out of the blue, due mainly to an effort wide on our left but our heads went down straight away after that. I know we created a few chances and were unlucky at times but you make your own luck by having a positive attitude. Back to the drawing board this morning I would have thought!
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Post by bro600 on Sept 22, 2014 9:00:37 GMT 1
I didn't think this thread was 100% all about the here and now though and i could relate to some of the feelings of some contributors.. The way the team are performing just puts a capital stop on a few issues that ruin what was a decent game to follow not long ago. It is really difficult to have any empathy for a modern day footballer who is earning the vast amounts they do today when they are having a bad run of form. (through no fault of their own might i add) It is also difficult for supporters nowadays to justify to their families spending circa £60 (a day's wage) on a football match. You really do feel obliged as well to buy a B & W ticket or similar and there's always someone shaking a bucket. If you're like me and you have kids , you need to buy them shirts, something to eat and drink.. The finances are difficult in football.. Then there is the Huddersfield Town experience (this could be me getting old) but the damned music? I'd shoot that D.J.. Sometimes you can't talk to the bloke in front , behind or even next to you and that music is surely mean't for about 10% of the crowd who are between 14-21 ?? Then when you've endured that you've got stewards or police with camera's , it's not an issue when we're crap and the attendance is low, it's when it's a big game and we've all been encouraged to get behind the lads,, Jesus christ "sit down" ... Then there's the problem of getting 2nd best in your own stadium, "you can't walk that way when we play so and so" and "we ask you wait at the end of the game while the away supporters leave" ... We can't even have a decent end behind the goal, for all the efforts of the NSL this will always leave me shaking my head Hull City have now taken both ends behind the goal, Leeds do as they please with their bunch but we can't even sneeze in ours. It's no surprize that there are only 5000 supporters in The Galpharm 10 minutes before kick-off and it's no surprize that the crowds are dropping but i think football itself as gone stale and The Galpharm/HTFC or KSDL do very little to help change the experience.. I will still follow the Town but i can see why people say it's not enjoyable anymore.
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Post by detox on Sept 22, 2014 9:48:21 GMT 1
Thing is , if you have a shop..selling cards (say)..and it's only half full of average cards...you're not going to get many customers...If however you speculate and invest in some decent stock, then you will ultimately get more customers. The more customers you can attract allows you to then further improve your stock ...and so on....isn't that how it worked for Card Factory ? To be fair he tried the card factory model - low margin high turnover - when we did season tickets for £100. It didn't work and cost the club/ Dean Hoyle more money I was thinking more on the lines of improving the quality of the playing staff....which may lead to better quality/successful football...which should lead to improved attendances....well, that's the theory !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 12:09:52 GMT 1
To be fair he tried the card factory model - low margin high turnover - when we did season tickets for £100. It didn't work and cost the club/ Dean Hoyle more money I was thinking more on the lines of improving the quality of the playing staff....which may lead to better quality/successful football...which should lead to improved attendances....well, that's the theory ! "Should lead to improved attendance's" Rubery found out that it isn't the case with us. We have a hardcore group of fans with just a couple of thousand extra fleeting ones. Playoffs and mega games aside, we have a very inelastic support.
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Post by deadleg on Sept 22, 2014 12:30:19 GMT 1
We are a League One sized club. We can over perform on a break-even budget for a while, like Barnsley, Peterborough did, but eventually it won't be enough. We are there now. It's up to us as fans to encourage more through the gates as its the only way we will ever, ever improve properly. Stop whinging, start getting people to attend. The club need to implement an attacking formation to encourage people to come back. Players only stay a while, we are here forever. In full agreement with this. It's a vicious circle, we can't get more through the gate because the fans don't want to come because the team isn't good enough, but we can't improve the team because the fans aren't coming and we can't get the sponsorship. We've had a shortfall on season tickets this year which the club has denied, but the crowds over the next 2 home games will show it up. People want us to go out and sign Chris Wood, but his wages amount to over 5000 season tickets being sold over the course of a season. To me this was why the implementation of an attractive playing style was important, at least then wherever you are in terms of position there's an incentive for people to go and watch. Since it hasn't been mentioned this year (to my knowledge) I hope the idea hasn't been chucked out because we're struggling. If it has we'll probably never commit to it because there'll never really be 'a good time'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 12:37:50 GMT 1
In full agreement with this. It's a vicious circle, we can't get more through the gate because the fans don't want to come because the team isn't good enough, but we can't improve the team because the fans aren't coming and we can't get the sponsorship. We've had a shortfall on season tickets this year which the club has denied, but the crowds over the next 2 home games will show it up. People want us to go out and sign Chris Wood, but his wages amount to over 5000 season tickets being sold over the course of a season. To me this was why the implementation of an attractive playing style was important, at least then wherever you are in terms of position there's an incentive for people to go and watch. Since it hasn't been mentioned this year (to my knowledge) I hope the idea hasn't been chucked out because we're struggling. If it has we'll probably never commit to it because there'll never really be 'a good time'. Dean said the idea was to "crank it up". Which I took to mean in terms of speed. Problem is the players we had we weren't good enough to play with the style and tempo Robins wanted... Perhaps we should make more use of the foreign market instead of hamstringing ourselves by only really looking at the UK market.
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Post by deadleg on Sept 22, 2014 12:59:31 GMT 1
To me this was why the implementation of an attractive playing style was important, at least then wherever you are in terms of position there's an incentive for people to go and watch. Since it hasn't been mentioned this year (to my knowledge) I hope the idea hasn't been chucked out because we're struggling. If it has we'll probably never commit to it because there'll never really be 'a good time'. Dean said the idea was to "crank it up". Which I took to mean in terms of speed. Problem is the players we had we weren't good enough to play with the style and tempo Robins wanted... Perhaps we should make more use of the foreign market instead of hamstringing ourselves by only really looking at the UK market. Ah yeah, I vaguely remember him saying that now. Still, it definitely doesn't seem to have had as much emphasis as it did last year and CP's first two games did make me fear the worst, though we moved it around better on Saturday despite the result. The frustrating thing to me is that I think Robins' style and systems would've worked FAR better last year with a midfield of Coady, Butterfield and Majewski than with the unbalanced set of Hogg, Clayton and Norwood. It was certainly time for him to go, all things considered, but if he'd never been our manager and came in now trying to do the same thing I think he'd have more joy with the personnel we currently have.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 13:39:48 GMT 1
Problem nowadays is fans aren't fans, they are consumers. If they aren't entertained they'll find something else to do with their money and Saturday afternoons. These fans (consumers) then take their money out of the club meaning that the clubs budget decreases and it's even harder for us to compete. It's a vicious circle and will only lead to us dropping back down the leagues. Our problem is too many clubs in this division bankrolled by parachute payments and clubs deliberately flouting FFP rules. Leeds yesterday had a striker on the bench they paid £3mil for! Your right Herbert except for the fans who travel away regardless of the results. The football might be poor at the moment!! but i really don't know what i would do on a Saturday afternoon other than watching Town I suppose that is where the old version of fans and new version who are consumers fraction off. If I had the money (and the job) I'd go to every town game and that leaves me picking and choosing ... Porbably puts me in the consumer camp. Take the Boro game - my cricket got called off so i paid £20+ to watch on the day. I wasnt entertained, it put me off going on Tuesday. Less disposable income means that more and more people are becoming like me. That's where i think the whole match day atmosphere/experience is so key.
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Post by wasp on Sept 22, 2014 14:49:45 GMT 1
It has become a snoozefest for sure
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 0:17:32 GMT 1
Though I would re-visit a thread I started about 6 weeks ago and applaud the turn around in the last 6 weeks.
To the management team, players and Directors thank you for rebuilding my love of this damn fine club.
There will be downs as well as ups this season and I've no intention of getting carried away. However, after a miserable 10 months we have finally started to look like the team everyone's been crying out for.
Thank you.
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Post by petejevons21 on Nov 2, 2014 0:58:40 GMT 1
Well done for coming back and admitting you were wrong am so glad you were can't wait to watch football league show and it's a while since I felt that loved the performance today and at the moment love Chris P x
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 1:45:00 GMT 1
Well done for coming back and admitting you were wrong am so glad you were can't wait to watch football league show and it's a while since I felt that loved the performance today and at the moment love Chris P x He wasn't wrong though.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Nov 2, 2014 3:07:53 GMT 1
Well done for coming back and admitting you were wrong am so glad you were can't wait to watch football league show and it's a while since I felt that loved the performance today and at the moment love Chris P x He wasn't wrong though. What does it take for you to be happy I wonder.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Nov 2, 2014 9:13:07 GMT 1
What does it take for you to be happy I wonder. he's right thought he wasn't wrong. Well Done Chris Powell because its one hell of a turn around hes done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 9:42:09 GMT 1
What does it take for you to be happy I wonder. Going 7 games unbeaten playing reasonably adventurous football and watching from a part of the ground with a bit of a party atmosphere makes me happy. Also it makes me happy when folk learn to read and understand properly. The OP was right.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 2, 2014 9:45:33 GMT 1
Well done for coming back and admitting you were wrong am so glad you were can't wait to watch football league show and it's a while since I felt that loved the performance today and at the moment love Chris P x Not sure how he was wrong .. it wasn't enjoyable .. now it is . Same entry fee for a different spectacle . I feel like I've been " emperors new clothed " by Mark robins ..
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 2, 2014 9:56:18 GMT 1
Well done for coming back and admitting you were wrong am so glad you were can't wait to watch football league show and it's a while since I felt that loved the performance today and at the moment love Chris P x Not sure how he was wrong .. it wasn't enjoyable .. now it is . Same entry fee for a different spectacle . I feel like I've been " emperors new clothed " by Mark robins .. Do you see yourself has the king Ted?
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Post by detox on Nov 2, 2014 10:10:44 GMT 1
It also proves many fans who were calling for a manager who wasn't following the tikki tacki rulebook shite were right..it was never the style for us despite Robins/Hoyle saying it was the way to go. In addition the fans were bang on saying we needed that experienced big striker to help us hold up the ball and free space for Wells and co...what has been said for some 12 months before the club actually cottoned on to it..although even then it was Chris Powell who saw the light very early on... You can't fool the fans because despite some silly stuff the majority are very insightful about the game. and the club should listen to them more often. I reckon. All that shite about 'sticking together' under Robins and being 'loyal' and 'supportive' was total bollocks really because we knew it was all wrong at the time...didn't we...
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 2, 2014 10:18:26 GMT 1
Not sure how he was wrong .. it wasn't enjoyable .. now it is . Same entry fee for a different spectacle . I feel like I've been " emperors new clothed " by Mark robins .. Do you see yourself has the king Ted? Always
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 2, 2014 11:06:02 GMT 1
Its like sitting around with boring, negative people. A pal of mine often says "hang around with youngsters, they have vigour". Town have played too negatively for too long. They will always go up and down..just bloody well entertain and go for it! One lone striker who is 5 foot 7, what are these managers on?
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Post by Skint Terriers on Nov 2, 2014 11:09:25 GMT 1
Its like sitting around with boring, negative people. A pal of mine often says "hang around with youngsters, they have vigour". Town have played too negatively for too long. They will always go up and down..just bloody well entertain and go for it! One lone striker who is 5 foot 7, what are these managers on?works for Aguero and Man City
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Post by petejevons21 on Nov 2, 2014 12:07:37 GMT 1
Yes I agree the op wasn't wrong think I worded it badly I just meant there was a lot of negativity re CP and Butterfield and Coady at the time and they've proved us wrong well for now anyway ?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Nov 2, 2014 15:15:38 GMT 1
Thought yesterday was fantastic, best home game in a long time - some nice football (Butterfield's trick the pick), some proper getting stuck in and putting in a shift in and we looked so more dangerous in the final third, while defensively players were putting bodies on the line to keep a clean sheet. Style and graft, great to see!
I was worried at first, we barely mustered a shot in CPs early games, the football was direct and negative and I was alarmed by some of CP initial comments of "hanging in there until January" etc. I always felt we had the best squad in years and I'm delighted they are showing it
Also pleased for CP because he does seem a good guy. He's also developing our youngsters Bunn, Coady, Smith and getting consistency from frustrating players like Scannell and Lynch. CP really is starting to look the part and with money to spend in January will have chance to strengthen a good side further. Although at present I'm not sure there's an obvious weak area!
Really pleased with the turnaround!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 2, 2014 15:27:24 GMT 1
I used to get stick for using 'the emperors new clothes' about the rot that robins was spouting and producing. there were posters who 'believed' that possession was 9/10ths of the law? and that controlled long periods of pretty useless possession was good football and would lead to a full seed change within the club?
Suprisingly enough a good quality centre forward , a decent centre half organising and getting the ball forward by running with it,rather than belting it was our answer ..
simple game.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 2, 2014 15:42:10 GMT 1
Its like sitting around with boring, negative people. A pal of mine often says "hang around with youngsters, they have vigour". Town have played too negatively for too long. They will always go up and down..just bloody well entertain and go for it! One lone striker who is 5 foot 7, what are these managers on?works for Aguero and Man City We are comparing apples with oranges...a team where anyone can get a goal. Don't see City winning anything this season. Fair post though.
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Post by JerryG on Nov 2, 2014 15:51:49 GMT 1
I can't help thinking that two defeats in the next two matches and the same pessimism that started this thread could return. Personally speaking, apart from the opening match embarrassment, from what I've actually seen only the match at Elland Road had me thinking it could be a long hard season, not just because of the score line but mainly the apparent lack of application and desire that day. Clearly, confidence is the vital ingredient in modern football because since Chris Powell appears to have ironed these particular short comings out and moulded a unified squad, those fears seem to be well and truly banished. However, two poor results against Derby County and Fulham will probably have sections of our fans thinking it's all doom and gloom again! Such is the life of the football fan! Hey Ho!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 2, 2014 16:27:30 GMT 1
2 poor performances maybe.. the results will be assessed by those who watch the games in the context of the performances. those that watched the long unbeaten run were not taken in by the results, in fact a lot of the results were assessed as being poor even though we didn't lose. you will lose games, its important how you lose as much as how you get positive results.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Nov 2, 2014 16:59:42 GMT 1
What does it take for you to be happy I wonder. Going 7 games unbeaten playing reasonably adventurous football and watching from a part of the ground with a bit of a party atmosphere makes me happy. Also it makes me happy when folk learn to read and understand properly. The OP was right. Sorry - I now see what you meant. That's the problem with regurgitating these old threads - I haven't got time to read it all again, just quickly scanned last few posts.
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