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Post by ram on Jan 7, 2015 11:57:25 GMT 1
Oldham Athletic appear to be a club without ethics!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 7, 2015 11:58:02 GMT 1
What on earth are Oldham doing? This lad has been convicted in a court of law by 6 honourable men and 6 honourable women. He is still serving time by license, there is also an appeal on going. In the mean time, the girl he was convicted of raping has changed her identity for a fifth time. What an absolute mess. Without looking at the table I would guess Oldham are in the bottom third... Also daddy in laws cash appears to be a sweetener. Wonder if he will be so keen to support young Chedwyn when people start boycotting his jewellery business
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 7, 2015 11:59:23 GMT 1
Oldham Athletic appear to be a club without ethics! Though probably one of the few clubs you can shoehorn ethic into an anagram of .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 12:00:23 GMT 1
Be interesting to see what Sports Direct do if they do sign him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 12:04:19 GMT 1
What on earth are Oldham doing? This lad has been convicted in a court of law by 6 honourable men and 6 honourable women. He is still serving time by license, there is also an appeal on going. In the mean time, the girl he was convicted of raping has changed her identity for a fifth time. What an absolute mess. Without looking at the table I would guess Oldham are in the bottom third... Also daddy in laws cash appears to be a sweetener. Wonder if he will be so keen to support young Chedwyn when people start boycotting his jewellery business Until he serves the end of his license he shouldn't be considered to play football again. Even more so, his appeal is on going. Bottom line is, he IS a convicted rapist, even if some people think otherwise.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jan 7, 2015 12:08:30 GMT 1
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jan 7, 2015 12:09:11 GMT 1
What on earth are Oldham doing? This lad has been convicted in a court of law by 6 honourable men and 6 honourable women. He is still serving time by license, there is also an appeal on going. In the mean time, the girl he was convicted of raping has changed her identity for a fifth time. What an absolute mess. Without looking at the table I would guess Oldham are in the bottom third... Also daddy in laws cash appears to be a sweetener. Wonder if he will be so keen to support young Chedwyn when people start boycotting his jewellery business I guess Oldham believe they are getting a bargain cheap as chips if not controversial striker - who was a proven goal scorer a couple of years back, if he helps them to promotion will they believe he was worth it? I guess it depends now on the repercussion for the club fan wise and if daddy is subsidizing any loses sponsor wise.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 7, 2015 12:25:35 GMT 1
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 7, 2015 12:35:11 GMT 1
Very good. I do like this bit: I do regard these two leather-sphere kickers as lower than vermin.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 7, 2015 13:09:42 GMT 1
Should still be caged up, only served 2 years of his 5 year sentence!
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jan 7, 2015 13:29:48 GMT 1
People over dramatise the situation. He's served his sentence. What's he gonna do, live on the streets for the rest of his life? No, he gets a job. Pays tax. It just so happens that his area of work is football. People act as if kids will look up to him and say 'when i grow up I'm gonna be a rapist'. Just not gonna happen.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Jan 7, 2015 13:34:51 GMT 1
That blog makes some very, very interesting points. All was not as it appeared with that case.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 7, 2015 13:36:16 GMT 1
Should still be caged up, only served 2 years of his 5 year sentence! Did you read the article in the link?
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jan 7, 2015 13:41:10 GMT 1
People over dramatise the situation. He's served his sentence. What's he gonna do, live on the streets for the rest of his life? No, he gets a job. Pays tax. It just so happens that his area of work is football. People act as if kids will look up to him and say 'when i grow up I'm gonna be a rapist'. Just not gonna happen. And what about victim's of rape who happen to follow football are they expected to just be happy to cheer on an unrepentant convicted rapist out on licence at their club and buy a shirt for their little one with Evans on the back? Instead of the video 'come get me clubs' why not an acknowledgement to his victim, public and fans that rape is wrong, he is sorry, he has paid his due and wants to turn his life around and get on with it and to leave the victim be now instead of hounding her? Or in the same way that rape was a selfish act is the lad just selfish until the end by putting himself and his career first upon release?
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 7, 2015 14:06:06 GMT 1
Very good. I do like this bit: I do regard these two leather-sphere kickers as lower than vermin. Don't think anyone on here would disagree with that, but the guy has been found guilty, he IS guilty. The article raises some very worrying questions, but we can only assume that all of this was taken into account when sentenced. If it was not he may well get a re-trial? A PR "Guru" tweeted yesterday as follows and I think he has put it better than I ever could - "Through it all: #ChedEvans is getting very very poor advice. He'd be well advised to (1) have that website taken down. (2) state he didn't believe he'd done anything wrong & is appealing BUT accept he was found guilty & is guilty subject to appeal. (3) say he is sorry that the victim has had such a rough time including at hands of his supporters (4) announce he is not going to play until his appeal is heard & instead will work for a charity and (5) will accept outcome of appeal and asks everyone else to do same That is all good advice IMHO and boy he needs it"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:07:06 GMT 1
Good on them (Oldham) I say, the lad should never have gone to prison in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:12:18 GMT 1
This is sickening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:13:17 GMT 1
Good on them (Oldham) I say, the lad should never have gone to prison in the first place. He shouldn't have gone to prison for RAPE?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:14:25 GMT 1
Good on them (Oldham) I say, the lad should never have gone to prison in the first place. He shouldn't have gone to prison for RAPE?!?!?!?!?! Read what went on, a drunken lass asking you for sex and enticing you to do it is not tape
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jan 7, 2015 14:14:49 GMT 1
Good on them (Oldham) I say, the lad should never have gone to prison in the first place. He shouldn't have gone to prison for RAPE?!?!?!?!?! I wasn't even dignifying that with a response..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:15:36 GMT 1
Oldham are pulling out apparently. m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/6415414Too much backlash and sponsors like Mecca bingo pulling their financial input. Small clubs can't afford to lose sponsors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:17:55 GMT 1
He shouldn't have gone to prison for RAPE?!?!?!?!?! Read what went on, a drunken lass asking you for sex and enticing you to do it is not tape Neither of those two things happened (she was picked up by someone else, he then snook into the room and "had a go" himself - hence why only he was sent to jail)
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Post by Barbieterrier on Jan 7, 2015 14:26:54 GMT 1
Read what went on, a drunken lass asking you for sex and enticing you to do it is not tape Neither of those two things happened (she was picked up by someone else, he then snook into the room and "had a go" himself - hence why only he was sent to jail) The amount of people that question our justice system in this country is eye opening especially since the conviction rate for rape is very low
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 7, 2015 14:39:02 GMT 1
I thought we'd been through the apology angle.
He's not going to apologise if he thinks consent was given and especially since his case is currently being referred to the Criminal Cases Review Commission.
FWIW I don't think he should play while he is out on licence anyway until either his full 5 year sentence has been served, or it has been quashed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:40:37 GMT 1
Read what went on, a drunken lass asking you for sex and enticing you to do it is not tape Neither of those two things happened (she was picked up by someone else, he then snook into the room and "had a go" himself - hence why only he was sent to jail) Read this and tell me it doesn't smack of a woman taking advantage of a situation, (a situation that she placed herself in) for an attempt at financial gain: www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evansThe conviction was/is not worth the paper it's printed on, if it was so clear a definitive that a rape had taken place then would such short sentence have been issued? Absolutely not. Regardless of whether or not a rape took place, it is clear the law on rape requires amendment. One man takes advantage of a woman who is in an extremely inebriated state, and has non-violent sex with her that may or may not have been consented. Another drags a woman down an alley, savagely beats her, and forces himself upon her, and leaves her in the most vulnerable situation she could ever find herself in. Both are branded 'Rapists', how on Earth is that just?
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Post by 3Pipe on Jan 7, 2015 14:42:51 GMT 1
The amount of people that question our justice system in this country is eye opening Not to me it isn't. Whilst it is better than some countries, granted, it is still littered with injustice and imbeciles.
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Post by leedsterrier on Jan 7, 2015 14:43:47 GMT 1
A very emotive subject this and I can see why there a lot of polarised opinions. Where I have trouble with his conviction is around the point of consent being given to the other bloke - the videos from the takeaway and from the hotel clearly show someone who is out of it - how could she have given consent to him? Surely if wasn't in the right mind to give it, then he should have been convicted as well as Evans. I'm guessing this why people question it and in some quarters people believe he's in fact innocent.
FWIW I believe this girl was taken advantage of and all parties involved (victim excluded) behaved in a morally reprehensible way and I have nothing but contempt for these low lifes.
That said, he has served the term handed down to him - he's still on licence, which would mean if he steps out of line in the next 1 1/4 years, he'll go back to prison. But going forward if we as a society believe in intregrating people back into society following criminal punishment, then he should be free to find gainful employment within a field that suits his skillset, in this case it is being a footballer - however distasteful this is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:43:51 GMT 1
Neither of those two things happened (she was picked up by someone else, he then snook into the room and "had a go" himself - hence why only he was sent to jail) Read this and tell me it doesn't smack of a woman taking advantage of a situation, (a situation that she placed herself in) for an attempt at financial gain: www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evansThe conviction was/is not worth the paper it's printed on, if it was so clear a definitive that a rape had taken place then would such short sentence have been issued? Absolutely not. Regardless of whether or not a rape took place, it is clear the law on rape requires amendment. One man takes advantage of a woman who is in an extremely inebriated state, and has non-violent sex with her that may or may not have been consented. Another drags a woman down an alley, savagely beats her, and forces himself upon her, and leaves her in the most vulnerable situation she could ever find herself in. Both are branded 'Rapists', how on Earth is that just?Because you should never take advantage of a women in an extremely inebriated state. If you do you are a rapist.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:43:53 GMT 1
Neither of those two things happened (she was picked up by someone else, he then snook into the room and "had a go" himself - hence why only he was sent to jail) The amount of people that question our justice system in this country is eye opening especially since the conviction rate for rape is very low Can you honestly say you are surprised though, when we are talking about the same system that turned a blind eye to the likes of Jimmy Saville for over 40 years? The British Justice system is comfortably one of the most inadequate in the western world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 14:47:25 GMT 1
Read this and tell me it doesn't smack of a woman taking advantage of a situation, (a situation that she placed herself in) for an attempt at financial gain: www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evansThe conviction was/is not worth the paper it's printed on, if it was so clear a definitive that a rape had taken place then would such short sentence have been issued? Absolutely not. Regardless of whether or not a rape took place, it is clear the law on rape requires amendment. One man takes advantage of a woman who is in an extremely inebriated state, and has non-violent sex with her that may or may not have been consented. Another drags a woman down an alley, savagely beats her, and forces himself upon her, and leaves her in the most vulnerable situation she could ever find herself in. Both are branded 'Rapists', how on Earth is that just?Because you should never take advantage of a women in an extremely inebriated state. If you do you are a rapist. So you honestly believe that in the example I've given that both supposed perpetrators are as bad as each-other? IMO that would be an incredibly warped sense of justice
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