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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 24, 2014 11:37:34 GMT 1
yep students can buy match day tickets at the University
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Post by detox on Oct 24, 2014 11:42:12 GMT 1
yep students can buy match day tickets at the University Oh, thanks for that...I didn't know.......
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 24, 2014 11:57:15 GMT 1
Just wondering how long it would take a new member who started posting Otiums racist bile word for word to get banned??? Yet seemingly this fantasist is allowed to get away with it because he posts a few "interesting" stories about his travels.
Sick of seeing decent threads turned into the same anti MUSLIM spouting of a mad man!
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Oct 24, 2014 12:03:48 GMT 1
Just wondering how long it would take a new member who started posting Otiums racist bile word for word to get banned??? Yet seemingly this fantasist is allowed to get away with it because he posts a few "interesting" stories about his travels. Sick of seeing decent threads turned into the same anti MUSLIM spouting of a mad man! Having only seen Oti's original post, what has he said that was 'racist bile'?
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 24, 2014 12:28:54 GMT 1
Just wondering how long it would take a new member who started posting Otiums racist bile word for word to get banned??? Yet seemingly this fantasist is allowed to get away with it because he posts a few "interesting" stories about his travels. Sick of seeing decent threads turned into the same anti MUSLIM spouting of a mad man! Having only seen Oti's original post, what has he said that was 'racist bile'? Racist, Islamist, Muslimist, Moslemist, whatever you want to call it, the percentage of threads that end up with negative spoutings about the muslim community is ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 12:29:32 GMT 1
Just wondering how long it would take a new member who started posting Otiums racist bile word for word to get banned??? Yet seemingly this fantasist is allowed to get away with it because he posts a few "interesting" stories about his travels. Sick of seeing decent threads turned into the same anti MUSLIM spouting of a mad man! Having only seen Oti's original post, what has he said that was 'racist bile'? I don't see otiums views as racist, questioning what could happen in 20 years time if the Muslim population continues to increase does not make him such. We've already got extremists from the Muslim faith trying to kill innocent British people, on British soil, so to suggest that one day we could end up with mass civil unrest in the country, is not that ridiculous in my opinion.
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Post by Terry Jacko on Oct 24, 2014 12:34:04 GMT 1
Look its quite simple we need to bring back free t-shirts! We took over 30k to Old Trafford in a game that involved free t-shirts,coincidence?
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 24, 2014 12:48:13 GMT 1
You said Kirklees was "mostly" Muslim. It is self evidently not. Facts matter. Have you no concept of Conceptual thought? OF COURSE ITS NOT MOSTLY MOSLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it was mostly Moslem i would have stoned to death....and probably you beheaded. The implication was there are too many Moslems, its rising and as a consequence gates are falling. Why do i have to explain every post? Its like showing a 6 year old Meccano on here. One flaw in your idea that because more Muslims are moving into or being born in Kirklees that would create reduction of gates, are all the white males moving out or disappearing or something? Yes the Muslim population may be increasing as a percentage, but unless your idea of a typical football fan is migrating out of the area then your post doesn't make any sense at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 12:52:11 GMT 1
Would love to see a load of Caribbean fans giving it plenty...steel drums...female dancers...it'd be just like Brazil ... Town had a few black fans back in the 70s and 80s probably more than most clubs in that era. I remember that they werent always there for the party, quite the opposite, like many young lads back then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 13:04:27 GMT 1
Fuuny thing religion, i just hope your as critical of other faiths Otium if so fair play if not your a fool, just remember muslims are no more brainwashed than christians/jews/catholics etc, only difference is the press loves to try and brainwash us with all this terrorist bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 13:07:39 GMT 1
Would love to see a load of Caribbean fans giving it plenty...steel drums...female dancers...it'd be just like Brazil ... Town had a few black fans back in the 70s and 80s probably more than most clubs in that era. I remember that they werent always there for the party, quite the opposite, like many young lads back then. thats true . i remember in the area i lived used to be a few coloured lads from brackenhall .sheepridge and deighton areas went to the games .an i agree not always there for the party especially gladstone lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 13:09:38 GMT 1
Having only seen Oti's original post, what has he said that was 'racist bile'? I don't see otiums views as racist, questioning what could happen in 20 years time if the Muslim population continues to increase does not make him such. We've already got extremists from the Muslim faith trying to kill innocent British people, on British soil, so to suggest that one day we could end up with mass civil unrest in the country, is not that ridiculous in my opinion. Do you think wed still be here if terrorism was as bad as were told to believe, and if so would you not agree that the powers that be with our foreign affairs etc are trying to provoke not prevent it?
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 24, 2014 13:14:39 GMT 1
Having only seen Oti's original post, what has he said that was 'racist bile'? I don't see otiums views as racist, questioning what could happen in 20 years time if the Muslim population continues to increase does not make him such. We've already got extremists from the Muslim faith trying to kill innocent British people, on British soil, so to suggest that one day we could end up with mass civil unrest in the country, is not that ridiculous in my opinion. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 13:19:06 GMT 1
So its again time for the yearly thread that turns into a racist debate. Personally i think its such a hard subject to argue about or even get a coherent point across without being labelled. When some people make comments it can very easily be constituted at racist but sometimes if you actually stay off the bandwagon and listen sense does sometimes prevail. The amount of times white English people have said to me "i dont mind the westernised ones, they are ok, its the ones that don't speak a word of it" or " There in OUR country they should speak our language". The thing is every comment made is always to create a divide, so is it the so called white Brit who doesn't want to let the Asian community integrate or is it the Asian community that don't want to integrate with the white British community. Lets be quite honest here neither does anything to endear themselves to the other. One of the biggest concerns is that the British media still helps to maintain this divide, many think after the 1970/early 80's Alf Garnet, and the like of rising damp finished, racism had been slowly wiped out of the British TV programming, however look at the creations of Walliams and Lucas and other programming still being made to this day, the racial undertones are still present and seen as acceptable. Yes you can say the context is to poke fun at those being racist, but remember you have to look at the lowest denominator, who will see this as just another joke about Asians and their culture. I personally get sick of hearing this so called race card as well, anyone who says they haven't heard an Asian been racially abused by a white British person is either lying or lives in a bubble. In my mind there are a lot of people out there who need to realise this is not 1940 any more and that these strange coloured people aren't aliens and are here to stay. Mr Cameron is not going to all of a sudden make a policy on immigration which removes every non third generation brit. But i do also think that the Asian head of families (usually the grandfather)also need to stop turning a blind eye and help allow the families to integrate (going back to the bandwagon from earlier)As is often said this is our country, if Asians want to live the lifestyle from another country and speak that language then fine, within their house. But they have chose to live as a British citizen and should therefore embrace the culture and language. Using excuses as going to football would be frowned upon is absolute nonsense, because smoking, drinking, clubbing, drug dealing, interracial sex would be too!
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 24, 2014 13:59:12 GMT 1
I don't see otiums views as racist, questioning what could happen in 20 years time if the Muslim population continues to increase does not make him such. We've already got extremists from the Muslim faith trying to kill innocent British people, on British soil, so to suggest that one day we could end up with mass civil unrest in the country, is not that ridiculous in my opinion. Do you think wed still be here if terrorism was as bad as were told to believe, and if so would you not agree that the powers that be with our foreign affairs etc are trying to provoke not prevent it?“The organizing principle of any society is for war(the growth of the military industrial complex). The basic authority of the modern state over its people resides in its war powers. Today its oil, tomorrow water. Its what we like to call the God business; Guns, Oil, and Drugs. But there is a problem, our way of life, its over. Its unsustainable and in rapid decline, that’s why we implement demand destruction. We continue to make money as the world burns. But for this to work the people have to remain ignorant of the problem until its too late. That is why we have triggers in place, 9-11, 7-7 , WMDs. A population in a permanent state of fear does not ask questions. Our desire for war becomes its desire for war. A willing sacrifice. You see fear is justification, fear is control, fear is money.” In this country the ordinary folk in the main be they Black White Yellow agnostic Christian Jew Moslem, all want to just get on with life , its the extremists on both sides that are the problem and who seem to have the 'loudest shout' and most exposure at the present....unless 'good people' stand up to be heard fear and cruelty will always dominate the world.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 24, 2014 14:05:14 GMT 1
So its again time for the yearly thread that turns into a racist debate. Personally i think its such a hard subject to argue about or even get a coherent point across without being labelled. When some people make comments it can very easily be constituted at racist but sometimes if you actually stay off the bandwagon and listen sense does sometimes prevail. The amount of times white English people have said to me "i dont mind the westernised ones, they are ok, its the ones that don't speak a word of it" or " There in OUR country they should speak our language". The thing is every comment made is always to create a divide, so is it the so called white Brit who doesn't want to let the Asian community integrate or is it the Asian community that don't want to integrate with the white British community. Lets be quite honest here neither does anything to endear themselves to the other. One of the biggest concerns is that the British media still helps to maintain this divide, many think after the 1970/early 80's Alf Garnet, and the like of rising damp finished, racism had been slowly wiped out of the British TV programming, however look at the creations of Walliams and Lucas and other programming still being made to this day, the racial undertones are still present and seen as acceptable. Yes you can say the context is to poke fun at those being racist, but remember you have to look at the lowest denominator, who will see this as just another joke about Asians and their culture. I personally get sick of hearing this so called race card as well, anyone who says they haven't heard an Asian been racially abused by a white British person is either lying or lives in a bubble. In my mind there are a lot of people out there who need to realise this is not 1940 any more and that these strange coloured people aren't aliens and are here to stay. Mr Cameron is not going to all of a sudden make a policy on immigration which removes every non third generation brit. But i do also think that the Asian head of families (usually the grandfather)also need to stop turning a blind eye and help allow the families to integrate (going back to the bandwagon from earlier)As is often said this is our country, if Asians want to live the lifestyle from another country and speak that language then fine, within their house. But they have chose to live as a British citizen and should therefore embrace the culture and language. Using excuses as going to football would be frowned upon is absolute nonsense, because smoking, drinking, clubbing, drug dealing, interracial sex would be too! [/b] its tolerance and respect from all that is needed, maybe sport can be thing to unite and not divide this country
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 24, 2014 14:20:38 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of what you say Lepton. couple of points- not really aware of the Walliams Lucan creations you mention but Id estimate that for every tv comedian/ show giving undertones or racism, either deliberate of accidental, against muslims ( or multi-culturalism in general) there are a thousand having a go at anyone who even suggests anything negative about them/it. Don't have a problem with anyone mocking their culture and their religion myself. IMo so much of it deserves to be mocked ( like all religions but even more so in their case) and don't see why it shouldn't be when its perfectly ok to mock so many other religions, nationalities etc. Taking the piss is a big part of british culture. If you're going to live here and be part of it, then you should accept that , toughen up, get some self-awareness and stop taking yourself so desperately seriously.
Theres plenty of cases no doubt of asians being racially abused by white people but Im not having it there isn't more the other way. An opinion of mine based on first hand and well informed anecdotal experience.
And this bit- 'The thing is every comment made is always to create a divide, so is it the so called white Brit who doesn't want to let the Asian community integrate or is it the Asian community that don't want to integrate with the white British community. Lets be quite honest here neither does anything to endear themselves to the other.'
Its hard to imagine how britain ( the british) could have done any more to integrate or endear itself to the asain community that lives here IMO. The term-' bend over backwards' springs to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 14:58:19 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of what you say Lepton. couple of points- not really aware of the Walliams Lucan creations you mention but Id estimate that for every tv comedian/ show giving undertones or racism, either deliberate of accidental, against muslims ( or multi-culturalism in general) there are a thousand having a go at anyone who even suggests anything negative about them/it. Don't have a problem with anyone mocking their culture and their religion myself. IMo so much of it deserves to be mocked ( like all religions but even more so in their case) and don't see why it shouldn't be when its perfectly ok to mock so many other religions, nationalities etc. Taking the piss is a big part of british culture. If you're going to live here and be part of it, then you should accept that , toughen up, get some self-awareness and stop taking yourself so desperately seriously. Theres plenty of cases no doubt of asians being racially abused by white people but Im not having it there isn't more the other way. An opinion of mine based on first hand and well informed anecdotal experience. And this bit- 'The thing is every comment made is always to create a divide, so is it the so called white Brit who doesn't want to let the Asian community integrate or is it the Asian community that don't want to integrate with the white British community. Lets be quite honest here neither does anything to endear themselves to the other.' Its hard to imagine how britain ( the british) could have done any more to integrate or endear itself to the asain community that lives here IMO. The term-' bend over backwards' springs to mind. I fully understand where you are coming from Captain, My comment regarding the Walliams, Lucas is that they have used numerous characters in both little Britain, Myra (i think) an Indian women who speaks English but is it is always made out that she cant be understood, and then in the comedy about the airport (sorry name escapes me) where the majority of jokes were race based. most educated person understands the general take the piss British humour no actual specific racism intended, however this can quite easily be taken the other way if chosen, it all perspective i know, but it is an arguable point. Regarding the who gives more abuse, i wont even go into this to be honest, I have heard abuse both ways but will say the majority of this has been from white to Asian (my experience). I do not doubt tho if my friend circle changed i could have a totally diffrent view on this matter, but can only comment on experience. With regard to endearing ourselves and visa versa i stick by my comment. As much as i hate to type this put "Paki bashing" still goes on. I do understand your point though with Mosques in every town now etc, i agree the British public has in areas tried to integrate with the Asian community but so have the Asian community also in part. I must also say though i honestly feel that this British integration is forced upon us by political correctness rather than by British free will
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 24, 2014 15:08:05 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of what you say Lepton. couple of points- not really aware of the Walliams Lucan creations you mention but Id estimate that for every tv comedian/ show giving undertones or racism, either deliberate of accidental, against muslims ( or multi-culturalism in general) there are a thousand having a go at anyone who even suggests anything negative about them/it. Don't have a problem with anyone mocking their culture and their religion myself. IMo so much of it deserves to be mocked ( like all religions but even more so in their case) and don't see why it shouldn't be when its perfectly ok to mock so many other religions, nationalities etc. Taking the piss is a big part of british culture. If you're going to live here and be part of it, then you should accept that , toughen up, get some self-awareness and stop taking yourself so desperately seriously. Theres plenty of cases no doubt of asians being racially abused by white people but Im not having it there isn't more the other way. An opinion of mine based on first hand and well informed anecdotal experience. And this bit- 'The thing is every comment made is always to create a divide, so is it the so called white Brit who doesn't want to let the Asian community integrate or is it the Asian community that don't want to integrate with the white British community. Lets be quite honest here neither does anything to endear themselves to the other.' Its hard to imagine how britain ( the british) could have done any more to integrate or endear itself to the asain community that lives here IMO. The term-' bend over backwards' springs to mind. I fully understand where you are coming from Captain, My comment regarding the Walliams, Lucas is that they have used numerous characters in both little Britain, Myra (i think) an Indian women who speaks English but is it is always made out that she cant be understood, and then in the comedy about the airport (sorry name escapes me) where the majority of jokes were race based. most educated person understands the general take the piss British humour no actual specific racism intended, however this can quite easily be taken the other way if chosen, it all perspective i know, but it is an arguable point. Regarding the who gives more abuse, i wont even go into this to be honest, I have heard abuse both ways but will say the majority of this has been from white to Asian (my experience). I do not doubt tho if my friend circle changed i could have a totally diffrent view on this matter, but can only comment on experience. With regard to endearing ourselves and visa versa i stick by my comment. As much as i hate to type this put "Paki bashing" still goes on. I do understand your point though with Mosques in every town now etc, i agree the British public has in areas tried to integrate with the Asian community but so have the Asian community also in part. I must also say though i honestly feel that this British integration is forced upon us by political correctness rather than by British free willGood point that, but it seems to me that this political correctness is all one sided. If the Asian population want to integrate/be accepted then maybe they need to be more "PC"
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Post by rocky on Oct 24, 2014 15:56:51 GMT 1
Having only seen Oti's original post, what has he said that was 'racist bile'? Racist, Islamist, Muslimist, Moslemist, whatever you want to call it, the percentage of threads that end up with negative spoutings about the muslim community is ridiculous I'm not on here enough to gauge Otium's overall postings as you have done, but I have read all of his posts in this thread & I can't see too much wrong with the majority of what he has said. I certainly don't think he's guilty of 'racist bile' & in my experience, both professionally & socially, a great number of people share his views. It's way, way too easy these days to use words like 'Racist', 'Islamist' etc. etc. to describe people who dare to express their genuine concerns about what is happening in the country.
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Post by bro600 on Oct 24, 2014 16:09:02 GMT 1
Could there be a case for the newly formed supporters group to take to the club and get rid of the false atmosphere generating entertainment package that was born out of the 80's. Surely we could come up with better entertainment than having music that makes your ears bleed and is only relevant to around 10 % of the crowd. Am i the only one who thinks that the volume being turned up that used to excite crowds now does the exact opposite. Sometimes it's like having a shit with the tune from Rocky playing in the background.. Get something going that involves the crowd or something playing in the background, let the opposing supporters hear each other and let people have some banter with the folk around them... Maybe then you might see people coming a little earlier and the older end not getting fed up..
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 24, 2014 16:43:58 GMT 1
The stated religion of the population of Kirklees, as recorded at the 2001 census of population was as follows:[109] Christian 261,128 (67.2%) No religion 54,445 (14%) Muslim 39,312 (10.1%) Religion not stated 28,394 (7.3%) Sikh 2,726 (0.7%) Hindu 1,222 (0.3%) Other Religions 772 (0.2%) Buddhist 397 (0.1%) Jewish 171 (0.0%) 2011 Census: observatory.kirklees.gov.uk/profiles/profile?profileId=163&geoTypeId#iasProfileSection2Christian: 225,751 (53.44%) No Religion: 100,829 (23.87%) Muslim: 61,280 (14.51%) Religion not Stated: 27,390 (6.48%) Sikh: 3,330 (0.79%) Hindu: 1,544 (0.37%) Other Religions: 1,300 (0.31%) Buddhist: 845 (0.20%) Jewish: 189 (0.05%) I would guess that the 2 categories you assume are football attendees are Christian and no religion in the main??? So since 2001 those 2 have risen by 11,007. The rise of the Muslim community by nearly 22,000 shouldn't have affected other groups desire to watch football should it or am I missing something?
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Post by detox on Oct 24, 2014 17:49:10 GMT 1
Could there be a case for the newly formed supporters group to take to the club and get rid of the false atmosphere generating entertainment package that was born out of the 80's. Surely we could come up with better entertainment than having music that makes your ears bleed and is only relevant to around 10 % of the crowd. Am i the only one who thinks that the volume being turned up that used to excite crowds now does the exact opposite. Sometimes it's like having a shit with the tune from Rocky playing in the background.. Get something going that involves the crowd or something playing in the background, let the opposing supporters hear each other and let people have some banter with the folk around them... Maybe then you might see people coming a little earlier and the older end not getting fed up.. totally agree..hate this manufactured atmosphere stuff...stuns eveyone into total silence, then when the music stops....there's total silence...
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 24, 2014 20:14:06 GMT 1
Last year an Asian taxi driver in Huddersfield who i had travelled with over many years asked me "is it true England was the first country in the World"?This was a man who was in his 40's and had come from Pakistan at the age of 16. If they are not generally ignorant and insular why do they marry off children, marry first cousins, subjugate women etc. Why are there religious war in virtually every Moslem country in the World? I must have imagined Rotherham...just 1400 children raped, sold, abused. They are backward and insular. Quoting some minor interaction with a university educated optometrist does not make British Asians modern, progressive or open.A war is coming to the streets of Britain and when the Trojan Horse spills open please dont look to the old country (which no longer exists) to save your head. Quoting some minor interaction with a (presumably) uneducated taxi driver does not make all British Asian ignorant, backward and insular. Your knowledge of history and world politics is pathetic. You talk as if Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are the countries operating under the same laws. I'm not going through the Sykes-Picot agreement with you on a football message board, but it might help you to understand why there are wars in some (Syria) muslim countries....or do you think Ukraine is a Muslim majority country? I've always wondered what sort of person believes UKIP's nonsense - now I know. I spent a month alone in Bangladesh, Faridpur, Barisal. Have you been to Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt or Niger? I have...any many similar Moslem countries, many times. For every educated person/Moslem there are THOUSANDS of unschooled, religious idiots. The reason there are wars in Moslem countries is simply because they are backward and ignorant...no other reason. Its like the crusades of yore, fighting for some imaginary God and belief system. Did you not see the news yesterday, a girl stoned to death for having sex, tied up, put in a hole and stoned by so-called men (including her Father who refused to forgive her). And we want to help these people?!!! Huddersfield is full of the poorest type of immigrant. Their views are borne of growing up in backwaters. I quoted one simple example to highlight the huge gulf in education and awareness that exists between the British pop and Moslem immigrants. My knowledge of World history and politics is a match for anyone. Just finished a book about the 3 Holy Roman crusades, i read history every single day of my life. UKIP nonsense...coming to Parliament very soon.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 24, 2014 20:21:39 GMT 1
Just wondering how long it would take a new member who started posting Otiums racist bile word for word to get banned??? Yet seemingly this fantasist is allowed to get away with it because he posts a few "interesting" stories about his travels. Sick of seeing decent threads turned into the same anti MUSLIM spouting of a mad man! All i did was mention that Moslems dont attend (true) and that as the local pop was up to 20% Moslem it may effect crowds. I then get the usual "racist", shit-slinging cries so i kickback. Once again Longhanks..dont call me a racist, thats defamation and libel. Perhaps this was not the thread for my anti-Moslem/anti-immigration sentiment but i did not start it.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 24, 2014 20:34:40 GMT 1
Fuuny thing religion, i just hope your as critical of other faiths Otium if so fair play if not your a fool, just remember muslims are no more brainwashed than christians/jews/catholics etc, only difference is the press loves to try and brainwash us with all this terrorist bollocks. TT, be assured, i hate all religions equally...i am very fair The global love-in with the Jews astounds me. As much as i understand the need for a Jewish homeland another part of me knows this is a total fabrication based on Moses leading his persecuted people into the desert 3 thousand years ago. Perhaps it never happened! Is Israel then illegitimate? I know the Arabs have been there longer than any Jew. Arabs killing Jews and vice versa...were it not for innocent people dying i would say it was a good war!! Many Israelis are now atheist and even more secular...what a transformation since 1948..shows what education can achieve. I am an atheist (and a humanist)...and a radical one. I say "NO" to all religion in public. No schooling in religion, no religious buildings, no funding etc. Pray at home..to S Club if you must... but its all, dangerous, divise bullshit.
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Post by bro600 on Oct 24, 2014 20:43:06 GMT 1
You are a disgusting individual Otium. You've just proved it.. S Club A new low even for you...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:10:27 GMT 1
Fuuny thing religion, i just hope your as critical of other faiths Otium if so fair play if not your a fool, just remember muslims are no more brainwashed than christians/jews/catholics etc, only difference is the press loves to try and brainwash us with all this terrorist bollocks. Two points:- a) Christianity isn't a religion, it's a living relationship with our Creator b) Westerners in general are more brainwashed than any with humanistic / atheistic twaddle Over and out
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:16:21 GMT 1
Could there be a case for the newly formed supporters group to take to the club and get rid of the false atmosphere generating entertainment package that was born out of the 80's. Surely we could come up with better entertainment than having music that makes your ears bleed and is only relevant to around 10 % of the crowd. Am i the only one who thinks that the volume being turned up that used to excite crowds now does the exact opposite. Sometimes it's like having a shit with the tune from Rocky playing in the background.. Get something going that involves the crowd or something playing in the background, let the opposing supporters hear each other and let people have some banter with the folk around them... Maybe then you might see people coming a little earlier and the older end not getting fed up.. Brilliant Bro - spot on
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 21:20:49 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of what you say Lepton. couple of points- not really aware of the Walliams Lucan creations you mention but Id estimate that for every tv comedian/ show giving undertones or racism, either deliberate of accidental, against muslims ( or multi-culturalism in general) there are a thousand having a go at anyone who even suggests anything negative about them/it. Don't have a problem with anyone mocking their culture and their religion myself. IMo so much of it deserves to be mocked ( like all religions but even more so in their case) and don't see why it shouldn't be when its perfectly ok to mock so many other religions, nationalities etc. Taking the piss is a big part of british culture. If you're going to live here and be part of it, then you should accept that , toughen up, get some self-awareness and stop taking yourself so desperately seriously. Theres plenty of cases no doubt of asians being racially abused by white people but Im not having it there isn't more the other way. An opinion of mine based on first hand and well informed anecdotal experience. And this bit- 'The thing is every comment made is always to create a divide, so is it the so called white Brit who doesn't want to let the Asian community integrate or is it the Asian community that don't want to integrate with the white British community. Lets be quite honest here neither does anything to endear themselves to the other.' Its hard to imagine how britain ( the british) could have done any more to integrate or endear itself to the asain community that lives here IMO. The term-' bend over backwards' springs to mind. Very good post.
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