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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 30, 2014 17:20:33 GMT 1
After Jordan Rhodes I don't think he made one permanent signing that you could call a success and that was over two years before he left. After Rhodes, he signed Arfield who is currently plying his trade in the PL (despite his inconsistency for us under the 3 different managers), he signed Bennett, Gobern, Wallace and Ward who have had their contracts extended by other managers in addition to signing and selling McDermott for a profit. In total Clark signed 24 players permanently on contracts for a year or more. We made at least FIVE times the original fee on Peltier, Pilkington and Rhodes. He bought the best club captain in my forty plus years in Peter Clarke He bought Lee Novak who transitioned from Non League to the Championship via League One. That's in addition to the original 6 named above. Just looking at the Pilkington, Peltier and Rhodes no other Town manager has had anything like that profitability on multiple players from their transfer dealings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 17:31:22 GMT 1
After Jordan Rhodes I don't think he made one permanent signing that you could call a success and that was over two years before he left. After Rhodes, he signed Arfield who is currently plying his trade in the PL (despite his inconsistency for us under the 3 different managers), he signed Bennett, Gobern, Wallace and Ward who have had their contracts extended by other managers in addition to signing and selling McDermott for a profit. In total Clark signed 24 players permanently on contracts for a year or more. We made at least FIVE times the original fee on Peltier, Pilkington and Rhodes. He bought the best club captain in my forty plus years in Peter Clarke He bought Lee Novak who transitioned from Non League to the Championship via League One. That's in addition to the original 6 named above. Just looking at the Pilkington, Peltier and Rhodes no other Town manager has had anything like that profitability on multiple players from their transfer dealings. I'll give you Bennett, but I don't think you can honestly say Arfield (for us anyway), Gobern, Wallace and Ward have been a total success - that may change with a couple of them. I'm not saying he didn't make some good signings, as you say the money we made on Pilks, Pelts and Rhodes made up for the fees on all the players he signed. He just seemed to change the type of players he was signing post Rhodes (Novak and Clarke were before him) from players we could develop and sell on for a profit to players like Miller, Gudjohnsson, Robinson, Lee etc.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 30, 2014 17:44:10 GMT 1
After Rhodes, he signed Arfield who is currently plying his trade in the PL (despite his inconsistency for us under the 3 different managers), he signed Bennett, Gobern, Wallace and Ward who have had their contracts extended by other managers in addition to signing and selling McDermott for a profit. In total Clark signed 24 players permanently on contracts for a year or more. We made at least FIVE times the original fee on Peltier, Pilkington and Rhodes. He bought the best club captain in my forty plus years in Peter Clarke He bought Lee Novak who transitioned from Non League to the Championship via League One. That's in addition to the original 6 named above. Just looking at the Pilkington, Peltier and Rhodes no other Town manager has had anything like that profitability on multiple players from their transfer dealings. I'll give you Bennett, but I don't think you can honestly say Arfield (for us anyway), Gobern, Wallace and Ward have been a total success - that may change with a couple of them. I'm not saying he didn't make some good signings, as you say the money we made on Pilks, Pelts and Rhodes made up for the fees on all the players he signed. He just seemed to change the type of players he was signing post Rhodes (Novak and Clarke were before him) from players we could develop and sell on for a profit to players like Miller, Gudjohnsson, Robinson, Lee etc. I didn't say a TOTAL success butIMO they came into a bracket that would suggest they were better than average signings I think most Town fans would agree that his philosophy changed and the Millwall playoffs IMO were to blame for that we had a youthful side that promised much but were bullied and from that point onwards the pressure to succeed probably got the better of him and several of the experienced campaigners just didn't produce the goods for us Naysmith, Alan Lee, Gudjonsson, Miller and Cadamarteri. He also tried to sign Ricky Lambert and Danny Graham, who both went on to Premier League success.
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Post by impact on Oct 30, 2014 17:46:15 GMT 1
If he brings in a young player, be excited. He has a very good eye for young talent and made us a lot of money from them.
If he brings in an older head, prepare to be disappointed. Only a few of them seemed to really work here.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Oct 30, 2014 17:53:43 GMT 1
His philosophy and work he brought in the first season was a revelation and if he continued on that vein he would have been a massive success by now. The problem is he thought he needed to be more defensive to win and he eventually seemed to decide that the way out of league one was old fashioned 'league football'.
It almost came across as a 'can't beat them join them' attitude. First we got beaten by a team with experienced players against our young lads... So he brought in some journeymen and older (not the right) players. Then we got beat by a team which played more direct and a bit more strength so we changed our tactics.
Once he had dropped his philosophy he lost everything good about his management.
If he ever realises that he needs to do things in his own way (young pacey passing) then he will be a success again. I hope he does but if you see him signing journey men or 'league' players then you can worry.
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Post by Novakaine on Oct 30, 2014 17:56:46 GMT 1
You'll be signing Lee Novak soon
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 17:58:21 GMT 1
I'll give you Bennett, but I don't think you can honestly say Arfield (for us anyway), Gobern, Wallace and Ward have been a total success - that may change with a couple of them. I'm not saying he didn't make some good signings, as you say the money we made on Pilks, Pelts and Rhodes made up for the fees on all the players he signed. He just seemed to change the type of players he was signing post Rhodes (Novak and Clarke were before him) from players we could develop and sell on for a profit to players like Miller, Gudjohnsson, Robinson, Lee etc. I didn't say a TOTAL success butIMO they came into a bracket that would suggest they were better than average signings I think most Town fans would agree that his philosophy changed and the Millwall playoffs IMO were to blame for that we had a youthful side that promised much but were bullied and from that point onwards the pressure to succeed probably got the better of him and several of the experienced campaigners just didn't produce the goods for us Naysmith, Alan Lee, Gudjonsson, Miller and Cadamarteri. He also tried to sign Ricky Lambert and Danny Graham, who both went on to Premier League success. I've no issue him with him bringing in some more experience at that stage, the Millwall game highlighted that we certainly needed it, but all the experienced players he brought in were poor and he seemed to completely gave up on the idea of bringing in anyone in under 23. The reason I think we did such good business this summer is that we brought in a good mix, a couple of youngster, three experienced players, a couple of loans. Obviously he had nothing on Ternent's approach of only signing players he personally knew, I just think he started positively in that respect and lost his way.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 30, 2014 18:25:22 GMT 1
I'll give you Bennett, but I don't think you can honestly say Arfield (for us anyway), Gobern, Wallace and Ward have been a total success - that may change with a couple of them. I'm not saying he didn't make some good signings, as you say the money we made on Pilks, Pelts and Rhodes made up for the fees on all the players he signed. He just seemed to change the type of players he was signing post Rhodes (Novak and Clarke were before him) from players we could develop and sell on for a profit to players like Miller, Gudjohnsson, Robinson, Lee etc. I didn't say a TOTAL success butIMO they came into a bracket that would suggest they were better than average signings I think most Town fans would agree that his philosophy changed and the Millwall playoffs IMO were to blame for that we had a youthful side that promised much but were bullied and from that point onwards the pressure to succeed probably got the better of him and several of the experienced campaigners just didn't produce the goods for us Naysmith, Alan Lee, Gudjonsson, Miller and Cadamarteri. He also tried to sign Ricky Lambert and Danny Graham, who both went on to Premier League success. From what I heard that was more DH's doing. After Millwall he thought we needed toughening up. Personally I thought we just need to buy some more "players of the season" from other clubs. That was a not bad model for buying in new players. PS I might be wrong but I thought Stan signed Pilks?
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Post by evelyntent on Oct 30, 2014 20:16:50 GMT 1
I might well be wrong but didn't all of "Lee's" good signings come when we also had Faz in the wings???
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 30, 2014 20:19:58 GMT 1
Wards might go now as he knows him.
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Post by townfan on Oct 30, 2014 20:37:48 GMT 1
I didn't say a TOTAL success butIMO they came into a bracket that would suggest they were better than average signings I think most Town fans would agree that his philosophy changed and the Millwall playoffs IMO were to blame for that we had a youthful side that promised much but were bullied and from that point onwards the pressure to succeed probably got the better of him and several of the experienced campaigners just didn't produce the goods for us Naysmith, Alan Lee, Gudjonsson, Miller and Cadamarteri. He also tried to sign Ricky Lambert and Danny Graham, who both went on to Premier League success. From what I heard that was more DH's doing. After Millwall he thought we needed toughening up. Personally I thought we just need to buy some more "players of the season" from other clubs. That was a not bad model for buying in new players. PS I might be wrong but I thought Stan signed Pilks?You are indeed wrong - it was Lee Clark who signed Pilkington in January 2009, Stan had left before xmas - can't you remember his comments about his Xmas dinner if he got sacked??
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 30, 2014 20:46:01 GMT 1
Its a shame Robins doesn't get as much hammer as Clark does on here.
Decent manager, ok failed to win promotion but at least we were entertained under him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 21:19:11 GMT 1
Was the scouting network at the time nothing to do with the signings then? Was Rhodes purely a Lee Clark suggestion to the board that we acted upon? Same with Pilkington?
Perhaps it was just the crap ones that the scouts were responsible for
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Post by Floyds on Oct 30, 2014 21:23:54 GMT 1
Shoot enough bullets etc.
"Sean Jarvis' grandma would get us promoted with this budget", an amusing comment as the cyclists left for Southend.
I did enjoy attempting to buy him drinks in Bar 10, although think he had other things on his mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 21:31:55 GMT 1
Shoot enough bullets etc. "Sean Jarvis' grandma would get us promoted with this budget", an amusing comment as the cyclists left for Southend. I did enjoy attempting to buy him drinks in Bar 10, although think he had other things on his mind. The Fulham job? Or was it the Leicester one? Or was it Leeds?
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Post by Floyds on Oct 30, 2014 21:39:08 GMT 1
I was thinking more of his private affairs than anything else..
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Post by impact on Oct 30, 2014 22:40:24 GMT 1
Its a shame Robins doesn't get as much hammer as Clark does on here.Decent manager, ok failed to win promotion but at least we were entertained under him. He does - from your obsession.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 23:08:47 GMT 1
Its a shame Robins doesn't get as much hammer as Clark does on here. Decent manager, ok failed to win promotion but at least we were entertained under him. Maybe that's because Robins achieved his objective (to keep us up) and Clark never did his (to get us up).
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 30, 2014 23:12:11 GMT 1
Its a shame Robins doesn't get as much hammer as Clark does on here. Decent manager, ok failed to win promotion but at least we were entertained under him. Maybe that's because Robins achieved his objective (to keep us up) and Clark never did his (to get us up). Oh aye and put most of the crowd to sleep at the same time. Keeping us up is hardly a great achievement, ok his target but fuck me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 23:24:02 GMT 1
Maybe that's because Robins achieved his objective (to keep us up) and Clark never did his (to get us up). Oh aye and put most of the crowd to sleep at the same time. Keeping us up is hardly a great achievement, ok his target but fuck me. I love the way you concentrate on the very poor last 6ish months of his time here and ignore (or reimagine) the pretty good 10 months he had. Either way, he's gone now, it's time to get over him.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 30, 2014 23:49:26 GMT 1
Oh aye and put most of the crowd to sleep at the same time. Keeping us up is hardly a great achievement, ok his target but fuck me. I love the way you concentrate on the very poor last 6ish months of his time here and ignore (or reimagine) the pretty good 10 months he had. Either way, he's gone now, it's time to get over him. I am over it, I bring it up for comedic effect most of the time, as its common knowledge on here that I couldn't stand the bloke, most people would say irrational dislike for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 0:44:38 GMT 1
If this thread runs to more than half a dozen pages (which it probably will), then expect to see a smattering of the following key words...
Bingo Machine... Recreational drugs... Schizophrenia... Stary eyes (not starry eyes)...
Live & let live - the bloke shows a degree of passion/drive/desire that should be applauded - some would call that naivety but that's the really cynical miserable buggers...
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 31, 2014 1:20:28 GMT 1
Bizarre choice by blackpool IMO. Can't understand why he keeps getting jobs so easily when hes been so consistantly unsuccessful as a manager. Was he unsuccessful at Brum? With the circus going on behind the scenes and the budget he was operating on, I think he did a pretty good job keeping them up for two seasons. I assume that's why Blackpool have gone for him. Well to be fair he didn't get relegated, if only by the thinnest skin on his teeth in the final moments of the last game. As has been pointed out many times, initially he inherited a side that had finished 4th. Only lost 2 players from the squad, neither of whome were that crucial and brought in a raft of his own signings. And managed to turn them into a side that spent most of the season in a relegation scrap before a late run of good results pulled them clear. He lost a few key players after that , didn;'t cope very well but survived, just, but looked likely to go down this time. I just think its pretty bizarre that the club who's bottom would appoint the bloke who's just been sacked by the club who're second bottom. Theres loads of out of work managers who have much better CVs than Clark, ie- at some point in their career they've been a success.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 31, 2014 1:27:03 GMT 1
Its a shame Robins doesn't get as much hammer as Clark does on here. Decent manager, ok failed to win promotion but at least we were entertained under him. We were entertained initially. After his first year here the quality of football went steadily down hill and was generally as dull as ditchwater. Robins doesn't and shouldn't get anything like the criticism because unlike Clark , he achieved his minimum target, twice. And although he obviously lost his way after xmas last season, prior to that we were playing some great stuff under Robins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 1:41:46 GMT 1
I never did join the anti lee clark brigade, always like the fella! Yeah he got a bit touchy with the press but he did a good job for us! Including signing a player for peanuts that we got to flog for £8m. Like Colnevallyblue says we were just a bog standard 3rd division team before he turned up (I know he had cash). Personally I think he's better than Blackpool, there a bascket case and I don't know many who would keep them up! Repeat a million times We were just a bog standard 3rd division team before Dean Hoyle turned upTo attribute our huge upturn to Lee Clark is just plain old bonkers THIS
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 1:46:19 GMT 1
Its a shame Robins doesn't get as much hammer as Clark does on here. Decent manager, ok failed to win promotion but at least we were entertained under him. Maybe that's because Robins achieved his objective (to keep us up) and Clark never did his (to get us up). & robins had integrity and a bit of class about him.
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Post by ritchie on Oct 31, 2014 3:12:51 GMT 1
Was the scouting network at the time nothing to do with the signings then? Was Rhodes purely a Lee Clark suggestion to the board that we acted upon? Same with Pilkington? Perhaps it was just the crap ones that the scouts were responsible for Pilks was definitely clark's, pelts known to mcdermott, rhodes im not sure but imagine a clark spot in his norwich days, drinks and novak spotted by clark. he did watch a hell of a lot of games all over the country. id expect our scouts to be aware of these but to be fair to clark our scouts are aware of a lot of players so he still has to whittle them down and sign the right one In ref to faz i think he was a key part of clark's early success here, good coach with a lot of knowledge and contacts and had he stayed things may have been different..you can probably add blackie to that too..keep those 2 and, no offence to mcdermott, but replace him with someone who can organise a team (defence) we might been better off
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Post by patfield on Oct 31, 2014 5:10:44 GMT 1
One things for certain it wont be boring, LC divided opinion on here. I quite liked the bloke, bit of a loose cannon sometimes (Spit dummy out with the media a couple of times) but the football was exciting to watch, the guy has bucketloads of passion, no point in having a seat in the dugout for him. Good luck for the season
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 31, 2014 6:57:30 GMT 1
Same old thread, same old muppets..
Slapps, you're like a broken record.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 31, 2014 8:14:35 GMT 1
Same old thread, same old muppets.. Slapps, you're like a broken record. To be fair pipes a guy has come on asking for our views.. and there are a breadth of views .. I'm sorry but if someone calls lc a cracking manager I can't just sit on my hands cos it's patently not true
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