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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 0:11:23 GMT 1
It ain't that bad and really we don't eat actual shit. I had chicken with roast veg today for tea, and a slice of melon for a starter.
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Post by monkbar on Nov 28, 2014 0:37:49 GMT 1
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 28, 2014 12:58:16 GMT 1
Ignore the 10 new rich countries whose economy is entirely based on black gold and our GDP is about 12th in the World. Were we to have an average global GDP we would rank about 100th in the World for "quality of life". There is too much emphasis on money in these indices.. Quality of life is time for a coffee (real) and a chat. Its time to read with your children, its outdoors life, its books and exercise. Its independent restaurants with locally sourced goods. Its walking instead of driving, waking without an alarm, its ruminating, meeting trusted friends over a glass of wine and its intimacy with meaning. Its not 9-5, permanently rushing everywhere, Xmas shopping for 3 months, diazepam, debt, Strictly, graffiti or errant, latch-key kids with a drug habit and a criminal record by 15. Its not casual sex, fast food or Facetwat. I dont recognise Britain anymore...the streets used to be full of butchers and green-grocers habituated by well turned-out little old ladies. Now supplanted by shuffling scruffs, burqa clad (sandals in Winter) breeding machines and parasitic, junkie beggars (or chuggers). Its quite frankly abominable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 13:53:35 GMT 1
Ignore the 10 new rich countries whose economy is entirely based on black gold and our GDP is about 12th in the World. Were we to have an average global GDP we would rank about 100th in the World for "quality of life". There is too much emphasis on money in these indices.. Quality of life is time for a coffee (real) and a chat. Its time to read with your children, its outdoors life, its books and exercise. Its independent restaurants with locally sourced goods. Its walking instead of driving, waking without an alarm, its ruminating, meeting trusted friends over a glass of wine and its intimacy with meaning. Its not 9-5, permanently rushing everywhere, Xmas shopping for 3 months, diazepam, debt, Strictly, graffiti or errant, latch-key kids with a drug habit and a criminal record by 15. Its not casual sex, fast food or Facetwat. I dont recognise Britain anymore...the streets used to be full of butchers and green-grocers habituated by well turned-out little old ladies. Now supplanted by shuffling scruffs, burqa clad (sandals in Winter) breeding machines and parasitic, junkie beggars (or chuggers). Its quite frankly abominable. But we have all that... maybe you're just hanging around with the wrong people when in the UK? Furthermore, aside from quality of life, we have a lot of folk with a good heart in this country, moreso than lots of other places in my experience. As it happens, just yesterday I did a bit of volunteering, encouraging people to donate surplus foodstuff to be made into meals for the needy, and met and chatted to some truly wonderful folk. Its pretty humbling seeing an old lady obviously not flush with spare cash herself taking a second visit back into a store to buy a load of cheap food and them giving it away with a real and genuine interest in where it was going and how could she help further etc. I spoke to a few Pakistani chaps who had spent their lives going out of their way to educate their children and grand children as to how EASY most of us have it in this country (one who was new to the area decided after chatting to me he would visit the Mission in town and arrange for his children and him to do a bit of work there). I could go on...I picked up lots of validation of the human quality of folk in the 3 short hours I spent....I honestly don't believe there is that same extent of "heart" elsewhere. People are mostly good here.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 28, 2014 14:14:35 GMT 1
fmuk..people are mostly good everywhere, until the "belief systems" get them. Humanity, selflessness and service are not the preserve of the religious. I only speak as i find. I travel...a lot..and Britain depresses me. Service is poor, workers are lazy and rude. Youth surly, ignorant. I have not seen a well-dressed person in Huddersfield in years...in any other European city i would see one in 5 minutes. Name a good restaurant in the town centre? There isnt one...what sort of town of 160,000 people is that? In any French village i would find one or two. I also personally believe that the 40,000 Pakistanis in Kirklees bring little to the table, culturally, financially or socially. All i end up doing is comparing (and Britain always comes off second best)...caught a train recently? They are superior in every country i visit. Drive to London...Hull...mile after mile of roadworks, no one working, cameras everywhere. TV, now its all naff reality crap. Crime figures? Police incompetence? Rotherham, London riots, Jimmy Saville. We are a basket case.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 15:00:26 GMT 1
fmuk..people are mostly good everywhere, until the "belief systems" get them. Humanity, selflessness and service are not the preserve of the religious. I only speak as i find. I travel...a lot..and Britain depresses me. Service is poor, workers are lazy and rude. Youth surly, ignorant. I have not seen a well-dressed person in Huddersfield in years...in any other European city i would see one in 5 minutes. Name a good restaurant in the town centre? There isnt one...what sort of town of 160,000 people is that? In any French village i would find one or two. I also personally believe that the 40,000 Pakistanis in Kirklees bring little to the table, culturally, financially or socially. All i end up doing is comparing (and Britain always comes off second best)...caught a train recently? They are superior in every country i visit. Drive to London...Hull...mile after mile of roadworks, no one working, cameras everywhere. TV, now its all naff reality crap. Crime figures? Police incompetence? Rotherham, London riots, Jimmy Saville. We are a basket case. I see where you're coming from, but you don't make the comparison fair. Just one example.... "Name a good restaurant in the town centre. In any French village I would find one or two". You'd likely ALSO find one or two decent restaurants in any village near Hudds too. I can think of 3 within 10mins walk of where I am now that I'd feel a sense of local pride in taking someone from outside the area to. I'm not sure on your Pakistani comment either. I don't tend to find myself in amongst lots of them or don't begin to understand what they get up to as "a group", but the individuals I meet always seem incredibly open and keen to understand and learn, and willing to explain and teach their own outlook, in a way that's not forced down your neck as "this is the way to live".
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Post by Stewpot on Nov 28, 2014 17:13:51 GMT 1
Home's home wherever you're from. I'm currently abroad and am one of those annoying ex-pats who constantly harps on about how great England (or just Yorkshire in my case) is. I often want to move back, but know the quality of life for my family wouldn't be as good. I too am living abroad, and echo your sentiments exactly. I took early retirement ten years ago at 50, and having moved away on account of work from West Yorkshire to the South West in 1989, subsequently divorced and then re-married a Wiltshire lass from Devizes. At the time of me leaving work I half-heartedly suggested moving back up north so I could indulge in all things Yorkshire but most off all getting back to watching Town. She was having none of it, so I thought well lets move abroad for a spell, cheaper cost of living, better weather, lower house prices, better life all round for the family. Been in Portugal 10 years now, but have to visit mum more often these days so I come back 4 or 5 times a year, just got back actually after 3 weeks in UK. And you know what, every time I come back, I love it more and more, catching up with old mates, going for a pint or 6 and a few games of snooker. The days consist of visiting local places and frequently taking mother out for lunch, and honestly it takes some fitting all the good food places in, many places are pencilled in for return visits before I have to leave. On the last visit I made trips to Halifax, Huddersfield, Leeds and often meandered round my home town of Brighouse. Not once did I feel an air of decay or lost hope, but then I did avoid going to Bradford ! ( though Saltaire was pleasant enough ). While life has been good here, I feel it`s time to come back, and the wife I think is warming to the idea ( hasn`t much choice on account of the property downturn in Portugal which leaves Devon or Cornwall a non starter !! ). Otium, England is not way dearer on everything. Fuel, electric, gas, motorway tolls, clothes, most electronic stuff, phone & internet contracts, to name but a few, are all more expensive here. Things which are lower include car tax ( though for newer cars they have adopted the UK model ), council tax, fags, good fresh produce like meat, fruit and veg, supermarket beer and wine, drinking and eating out if you keep away from the tourist areas ( though balance that with the fact that most bars and restaurants are frigging freezing in winter - you wont find many with a warm welcoming ambience and a roaring log fire ! ). Other stuff which used to be mildly annoying but which grates more and more include hideous beaurocracy, a medical system which operates on an "appointment basis" but all doctors appointments are made for 9am that day so effectively you end up in a 4/5 hour queue, and the local police ( GNR ) who increasingly are no more than corrupt government cash collectors who park up mob handed at roundabouts and then clumsily attempt to relieve you of 100/200 euros for some trumped up offence which all aids their government imposed fine collection targets. Each to their own viewpoint, but I don`t feel the UK is all washed up, on the contrary I still look forward to each visit, back again 27th Dec. It would suit me if it could become permanent, one day soon hopefully.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 29, 2014 13:18:55 GMT 1
www.bbc.com/news/uk-30241459What a way to highlight Britain today. The picture near the bottom looks like Ethiopians begging for food relief during a famine.
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Post by monkbar on Nov 29, 2014 14:13:01 GMT 1
Pick a country, I'll find you ten bad news stories in an instant, with of course the exception of those countries too corrupt and fascistic to even allow reporting...
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Nov 29, 2014 15:09:14 GMT 1
fmuk..people are mostly good everywhere, until the "belief systems" get them. Humanity, selflessness and service are not the preserve of the religious. I only speak as i find. I travel...a lot..and Britain depresses me. Service is poor, workers are lazy and rude. Youth surly, ignorant. I have not seen a well-dressed person in Huddersfield in years...in any other European city i would see one in 5 minutes. Name a good restaurant in the town centre? There isnt one...what sort of town of 160,000 people is that? In any French village i would find one or two. I also personally believe that the 40,000 Pakistanis in Kirklees bring little to the table, culturally, financially or socially. All i end up doing is comparing (and Britain always comes off second best)...caught a train recently? They are superior in every country i visit. Drive to London...Hull...mile after mile of roadworks, no one working, cameras everywhere. TV, now its all naff reality crap. Crime figures? Police incompetence? Rotherham, London riots, Jimmy Saville. We are a basket case. Oti is spot on the UK is a shithole...unless of course you are filthy rich and money isnt a worry then you can avoid the 'trappings' and the fuckwits
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