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Post by specialun on Jan 31, 2015 16:51:29 GMT 1
They were shite and we let them win the game by not being ruthless enough. That new lad was utter garbage. Won his headers 1 crunching tackle and thats about it. Touch not much better than Gerrard and can't pass it 10 yards never mind about the 50 yard passes he tried - all of which went out of play It was like having yet another centre half playing. I see how he'd be useful away from home. At home - nope.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 31, 2015 16:53:50 GMT 1
Really disappointing managerial performance for me......the players seemed flat from the start, and lets not kid ourselves leeds were the marginal better of two poor teams today. Yes its a derby, we got injuries and the pitch wasnt great, but we wont be winning games without a tempo and a drive which has to come from the start......and from the manager!!!! Awful goals to concede and symptomatic of our cautious approach from start to finish..........big week this week, now need some reinforcements if those injuries are as bad as feared, although the manager seems to have a reluctance to use subs anyway! Poor performance.................need to move on quickly starting at miwaw next week and wolves on the tues. Min 1 win needed.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 31, 2015 16:55:04 GMT 1
That Bamba for Leeds had a top game, didn't miss a tackle, header or fuck all.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 31, 2015 16:55:31 GMT 1
Not often I find myself nodding to posts from giggity arterrier and specialun ... But town were woeful second half I m o and the game was crying out for a bit of ambition and imagination... And Powell was found wanting
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Post by towny4ever on Jan 31, 2015 16:55:36 GMT 1
I'm seriously getting concerned: -clubs strategy?....get rid of several experienced players leaving a paper thin squad whilst not replacing! -Powells NEGATIVE tactics and substitutions. -Powells obvious lack of motivational skills bar Scanz. -Pushing out a no2 in Thompson who is head and shoulders above Dyer.
Agree with others when Lynch went Edgar should av been dropped back and Lolley on....they were poor but can't understand why CP is so negative esp at home...need to make reactive subs not just when we have to!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 16:56:08 GMT 1
Sending lolley on in injury time. Utter joke.
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Post by specialun on Jan 31, 2015 16:56:58 GMT 1
4-1-4-1 at home against a side below us in the league. What a defensive negative formation If we're so defensive, how come its 13 shots to 8 and 7 corners to 1. The result is disappointing but before today we were on a decent run of form. 13 shots - well lts start with 2 of those from Edgar. 1 wads nearer the corner flag, a half volley from 25 yards. The other would have missed 3 goals high and 2 wide from 40 yards. Stupid. Add in Smith from 35 yards, Butterfield x 2 from 35 yards (one wasn't far off to be fair) That's 13 down to 8 - And I'm struggling to think of those 8 Isn't the more appropriate stat we had 2 on target, and they had 3? And that 3 doesn't include the open goal they missed.
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Post by sudbury on Jan 31, 2015 16:57:22 GMT 1
I was disappointed that Lolley didn't come on for at least the last 10 minutes. And I'm not convinced that Edgar is an answer to anything. You had the feeling for much of the match that Leeds wanted it more than us - i.e. their players and their management.
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Post by yorkie1 on Jan 31, 2015 16:59:23 GMT 1
Game lost in the dugout. Again. It okay to praise the guy when we win but has to take the knocks when it comes to results like this and there are too many of them
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 31, 2015 16:59:48 GMT 1
That Bamba for Leeds had a top game, didn't miss a tackle, header or fuck all. Is that the guy they signed this week by exploiting the massive loophole in FFP (Financial Farce Project)?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 31, 2015 17:00:47 GMT 1
Edgar is a waste of a signing, although ironically, he will be useful now Smith is seriously injured.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 31, 2015 17:02:04 GMT 1
That Bamba for Leeds had a top game, didn't miss a tackle, header or fuck all. Is that the guy they signed this week by exploiting the massive loophole in FFP (Financial Farce Project)? Aye but he played really well today.
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Post by specialun on Jan 31, 2015 17:04:15 GMT 1
Really disappointing managerial performance for me......the players seemed flat from the start, and lets not kid ourselves leeds were the marginal better of two poor teams today. Yes its a derby, we got injuries and the pitch wasnt great, but we wont be winning games without a tempo and a drive which has to come from the start......and from the manager!!!! Awful goals to concede and symptomatic of our cautious approach from start to finish..........big week this week, now need some reinforcements if those injuries are as bad as feared, although the manager seems to have a reluctance to use subs anyway! Poor performance.................need to move on quickly starting at miwaw next week and wolves on the tues. Min 1 win needed. Agreed shawsie - the negativity from Powell week after week is killing me. 20 minutes we were excellent, high up the pitch, pressing, in their faces. The rest of the game, sitting back, with 7 defensive minded players and 4 attacking (Vaughan, Bunn /Wells, Scannell and Butterfield) is not balanced enough, it might get you a sracp away and you win / lose by luck (last week) but at home that's not enough - I want us to drive the game, set the tempo, look to win the game. We cannot sit back - we let them onto us. Again, he thinks we lost as we didn't defend one cross - its rubbish in the previous 5 mins they'd missed an open goal, they'd had one off the line and one just wide. Kieron got it spot on when he said it was clear after 68 mins when he write Leeds will win. We got deeper and deeper - and when you do that you ask for trouble. See Rotherham away -just another cross we didn't deal with. Point is if you don't deal with them on the edge of your box you can get away with them but when you sit back invite them on and are defending in your six yard box you don't deal with it and you get punished. Worst of all from today is Powell just thinks we just didn't defend one cross so probably thinks we were too positive!!!
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Post by specialun on Jan 31, 2015 17:09:32 GMT 1
And another rant - I'm sick and tired of us not being ready to bring substitutions on when we have players injured.
Holt v Rotherham: Clearly in pain, we were down to 10 men for 2 mins before he got up. Then he hobbled around when he clearly had done some big damage (what our physio was thinking here I don't know) and then he went off - 6 mins before we had a sub ready. They missed a chance at the back stick when we were down to 10.
Today
1. Wells - Injured 2nd minute, speaking to physio. They even scored, he goes off, we restarted and still no sub on. Down to 10 men again for 2 minutes until Bunn came on.
2. Lynch - Clearly hobbling / cant run, muscle injury, in discussions with the bench. Ball does out, and no sub ready so he hobbles on for a bit - his man gets free and they nearly score.
Surely between the manager, coach, physio we should be getting this sorted sooner. That's 3 times since Christmas we haven't been prepared with enough time in each case. Not good enough all round - we're like a pub team at times.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 31, 2015 17:10:26 GMT 1
2-1 down, medics attending Smithy and Powell was sat in the dug out on his own. No sign of trying to sort out
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Post by swam4mwg on Jan 31, 2015 17:12:22 GMT 1
Two poor teams today. The difference was that Redfearn made two 'positive' substitutions late in the game and that won it for them. Town had chances and did up their game a bit after equalising, but they were dour for the most part.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 31, 2015 17:12:57 GMT 1
Really disappointing managerial performance for me......the players seemed flat from the start, and lets not kid ourselves leeds were the marginal better of two poor teams today. Yes its a derby, we got injuries and the pitch wasnt great, but we wont be winning games without a tempo and a drive which has to come from the start......and from the manager!!!! Awful goals to concede and symptomatic of our cautious approach from start to finish..........big week this week, now need some reinforcements if those injuries are as bad as feared, although the manager seems to have a reluctance to use subs anyway! Poor performance.................need to move on quickly starting at miwaw next week and wolves on the tues. Min 1 win needed. MOst nervous start from Town for ages, we just didn't settle partly due to their bullyboy cheating especially that tosser Austin , but were was our enforcer in the Cmid ?
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 31, 2015 17:14:25 GMT 1
And another rant - I'm sick and tired of us not being ready to bring substitutions on when we have players injured. Holt v Rotherham: Clearly in pain, we were down to 10 men for 2 mins before he got up. Then he hobbled around when he clearly had done some big damage (what our physio was thinking here I don't know) and then he went off - 6 mins before we had a sub ready. They missed a chance at the back stick when we were down to 10. Today 1. Wells - Injured 2nd minute, speaking to physio. They even scored, he goes off, we restarted and still no sub on. Down to 10 men again for 2 minutes until Bunn came on. 2. Lynch - Clearly hobbling / cant run, muscle injury, in discussions with the bench. Ball does out, and no sub ready so he hobbles on for a bit - his man gets free and they nearly score. Surely between the manager, coach, physio we should be getting this sorted sooner. That's 3 times since Christmas we haven't been prepared with enough time in each case. Not good enough all round. you've got a point, we fanny about too much get the injured off and the sub on ffs
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Post by specialun on Jan 31, 2015 17:18:49 GMT 1
2-1 down, medics attending Smithy and Powell was sat in the dug out on his own. No sign of trying to sort out Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards To be fair he was counting to see if this would mean Lolley would get more than 360 seconds on the pitch
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jan 31, 2015 17:22:45 GMT 1
Regardless of unfortunate injuries Powells use of subs is an absolute joke.
As someone posted earlier. We went negative, they went positive and look what happens.
What I really don't understand is why we set up negatively time and time again at home to inferior teams. All very well having 2 strikers on the pitch but if you have got the ammo to supply them then it's a waste of time.
The use of Lolley or lack of it must ask serious questions of either the manager or player himself
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Post by shawsie on Jan 31, 2015 17:25:09 GMT 1
Really disappointing managerial performance for me......the players seemed flat from the start, and lets not kid ourselves leeds were the marginal better of two poor teams today. Yes its a derby, we got injuries and the pitch wasnt great, but we wont be winning games without a tempo and a drive which has to come from the start......and from the manager!!!! Awful goals to concede and symptomatic of our cautious approach from start to finish..........big week this week, now need some reinforcements if those injuries are as bad as feared, although the manager seems to have a reluctance to use subs anyway! Poor performance.................need to move on quickly starting at miwaw next week and wolves on the tues. Min 1 win needed. MOst nervous start from Town for ages, we just didn't settle partly due to their bullyboy cheating especially that tosser Austin , but were was our enforcer in the Cmid ? With respect cowshed, it had nothing to do with cheating tactics.....its because we had 6 at the back all holding hands and as such we couldnt get out. I said to the guys with me that edgar is an excellent addition for that role away from home, but at home am not sure he can do what hogg does in terms of bringing it out and pushing us up the pitch. That negativity must stem from the manager because the players must have been very buoyant having beaten watford and wigan recently. Today we just hit scannell and hoped.....very disappointing.
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Post by impact on Jan 31, 2015 17:25:27 GMT 1
I want to know why we went 4-1-4-1 halfway through the 2nd half. Sure we weren't playing great with 3 at the back but at least we were trying to attack. But at that point it was like having 6 at the back.
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Post by pmfah on Jan 31, 2015 17:37:16 GMT 1
Fair result today. You dog botherers are too negative, and yet another deserved win for the mighty whites. To be fair, we are dogshit at the moment and if you cant beat us now, you don't deserve to stay up. We'll only get better but not sure where you're going from here.
On a more serious note though, let's hope Smith is OK. That looked a nasty one, don't like seeing that happen to anyone on the pitch.
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Post by COWleySHED on Jan 31, 2015 17:44:39 GMT 1
Fair result today. You dog botherers are too negative, and yet another deserved win for the mighty whites. To be fair, we are dogshit at the moment and if you cant beat us now, you don't deserve to stay up. We'll only get better but not sure where you're going from here. On a more serious note though, let's hope Smith is OK. That looked a nasty one, don't like seeing that happen to anyone on the pitch. M.O.T you lucky prick- two crap sides and you lot from beeston did what you do best....................... stole something!
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Post by COWleySHED on Jan 31, 2015 17:49:10 GMT 1
powell has no belief in his subs we might aswell just name Wallace and bunn on bench as those are only one he trusts. so we basically have a squad of 13 players. today I thought a draw was fair result, Hudson had morison in his pocket scannell was again mom but we do over rely on him. Edgar showed why he is never a centre mid everytime he got ball he went backwards and in the end even when he was free to receive the ball our players ignored him cos they realised his limited ball skills. the one plus was since when did we become a danger from corners!? harry bunn I didn't know he could head it.... if that 2nd one had gone in we would have won. Gotta say Murphy what were you doing for the winning goal?? he headed it from a yard out in the centre of the goal - you have to come for that cross FFS
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Post by willo on Jan 31, 2015 17:55:52 GMT 1
I've calmed down a little now so feel in a position to give a measured reflection of today's game. First 25-30 mins, we were shocking. Absolutely shocking. We just didn't seem up for it. We score against the run of play and improve up to half time, more than matching the opposition. 2nd half, we were okish. It looked like a game between 2 very average teams. A draw would have been the fairest result and Austin should have gone by the latest early in the 2nd half. Edgar played just like a defender playing in midfield getting in the way of the defence much of the time and contributing little. Jonathan Hogg he ain't. What is so disappointing is I felt this was a great time to play leeds and beat them well. Alright, they beat Bournemouth last time out but by all accounts they were fortunate. We have just come off the back of 2 wins from 3 and out for revenge for the beating they gave us last 2 visits to bellend rd. Disappointing, all the more so as I live in Leeds. I don't believe we will go down this season but I don't want another nervy run-in. There perhaps isn't the need for us to throw money we don't have around in this transfer window but injuries today might force us to do something by Monday. That could be it for Smith for the season and even before Nahki's injury, we needed another striker. Would leeds take 500k for Sharp? After all, they don't play him from the go very often and cellino seems intent on getting rid of any non-Italians so who knows? And if we're not getting another striker, why oh why does Lolley never feature earlier than the 85th minute? And I'd love to know how we can be so good 2 weeks ago against Watford and so poor for much of the time today? We seem to forever be going 2 steps forward to go 1 step back. I guess that's progress of sorts but boy, is it hard work to watch/endure some weeks. I am an optimisic, some would say eternal, but days like today I wonder. Finally, I sit up from the bench so can see much of what is going on. CP, what the hell was going on when Lynch pulled up? It was clear he couldn't continue, there was the chance to get a sub on, we didn't take it, they nearly score. In the end, it didn't matter but come on!
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Post by ACW on Jan 31, 2015 18:07:32 GMT 1
Powell definitely went back into his defensive mode today. He baffles me, he really does. Sometimes, usually against decent opposition, he gets us playing some superb, high-tempo passing football (Forest, Brenford, Bolton and Watford) and other times, usually against mediocre teams, he has us playing some of the most boring, defensive crap I've seen Town play (Wigan at home, Birmingham, Reading in the cup, today). I like him, but he sometimes frustrates the hell out of me. And I still don't know what to expect from his teams. Sometimes we play good, attacking, passing football and other times we play defensive, long ball stuff. What's his style? What's his philosophy. Sure, managers need more than one way of playing, but Powell goes from one extreme to the other.
Unfortunately today Powell decided to play direct (didn't work) and to settle for a draw (also didn't work!). Leeds were poor as well, but they bossed the opening 20 mins or so and they were positive in the last 10 mins. Redfearn obviously saw, after a non-event of a second half, that the game was there to be won and decided to go for it. And he was rewarded with his positivity, even if it only lasted for 10 mins. And lets be honest Leeds could have scored before they did.
A poor performance from the players, but also a poor one from the manager. Why does he play like this against the sides around us in the bottom half of the league. We play conservatively in too many of these scrappy games against teams around us in the league. Time to go at these teams with more of the mentality we have when we play the likes of Watford and Brentford. And less of the hoofball please.
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Post by COWleySHED on Jan 31, 2015 18:10:14 GMT 1
you talk a lot of sense willo, wells has had an xray and only has swelling so that's a positive. we need a striker in before Mondays deadline, the lynch injury was insane how Wallace didn't come on straight away I think powell must get a bonus for each sub he has left at the end of the game
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Post by E4b on Jan 31, 2015 18:24:18 GMT 1
Powells signing so far have been poor. I am not holding my breath.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 18:35:25 GMT 1
Other sides below us won... Gap now 7 points.
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