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Post by Mr Breitside on Mar 4, 2015 8:02:50 GMT 1
It worries me that the majority of fans seem to be of the opinion that Edgar is in no way good enough to deserve a regular starting place in the team, whether that be as a defensive midfielder or as part of the defence but Chris Powell thinks he is.
What is it that Powell sees that we do not ?
i thought he would come in simply to cover numerous positions from the bench but he seems to be shoe horned into the team whenever and wherever possible.
I know a few Burnley and Birmingham fans and they told me straight away that he was not very good and that is putting it nicely. Why and how did we single him out as one of our two signings in January ? Is this a sign of the future with a smaller squad...more utility players (jack of all trades, master of none).
i can understand the signing of Miller because we needed another option up front and through his size he does give us something and I think he will improve as he gets fitter. I don't see him playing as much as Edgar is though. It's strange because Gobern seemed to have had a decent couple of games so why the hell was he not the next man in when one of our central three were injured ?
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Post by Giggity on Mar 4, 2015 9:12:40 GMT 1
Powell's use of Edgar tells me everything you need to know about his management skills.
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Post by durhamterrier on Mar 4, 2015 10:40:04 GMT 1
In January, we had two options, spend and strengthen or take gambles and patch up until Summer. We definitely chose the latter and Miller and Edgar were the gambles. Edgar , to put it bluntly, is worse than Gerrard, Hudson, Lynch and Wallace at CB, worse than Smith at RB and is worse than Hogg and Coady at CDM. I'd much rather we promoted from within and gave players like Billing at CDM, Boyle at CB or whoever is playing at RB for the U21's a chance. Miller is very hot and cold, but I think he's a decent enough back up
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 19:54:55 GMT 1
It worries me that the majority of fans seem to be of the opinion that Edgar is in no way good enough to deserve a regular starting place in the team, whether that be as a defensive midfielder or as part of the defence but Chris Powell thinks he is. What is it that Powell sees that we do not ? i thought he would come in simply to cover numerous positions from the bench but he seems to be shoe horned into the team whenever and wherever possible. I know a few Burnley and Birmingham fans and they told me straight away that he was not very good and that is putting it nicely. Why and how did we single him out as one of our two signings in January ? Is this a sign of the future with a smaller squad...more utility players (jack of all trades, master of none). i can understand the signing of Miller because we needed another option up front and through his size he does give us something and I think he will improve as he gets fitter. I don't see him playing as much as Edgar is though. It's strange because Gobern seemed to have had a decent couple of games so why the hell was he not the next man in when one of our central three were injured ? Cheap, championship experienced, versatile. Regardless of how well he's started, I can see the appeal to sign him, considering have the squad left in January |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 4, 2015 20:08:42 GMT 1
To only bring in a utility defender / very average midfielder like we did shows very limited ambition.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 4, 2015 20:11:14 GMT 1
To only bring in a utility defender / very average midfielder like we did shows very limited ambition. What ambition should we have ? And who funds it ? |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 4, 2015 20:16:07 GMT 1
To only bring in a utility defender / very average midfielder like we did shows very limited ambition. Not the limited, lack of, no ambition line again. Honestly you are all like sheep. Seems to have replaced the 'quality players' as the got to phrase for those with nothing to contribute but negativity. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 4, 2015 20:18:50 GMT 1
To only bring in a utility defender / very average midfielder like we did shows very limited ambition. Not the limited, lack of, no ambition line again. Honestly you are all like sheep. Seems to have replaced the 'quality players' as the got to phrase for those with nothing to contribute but negativity. Don't worry Nick ll be full of how things are great if we beat Rotherham |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 4, 2015 20:26:33 GMT 1
Not the limited, lack of, no ambition line again. Honestly you are all like sheep. Seems to have replaced the 'quality players' as the got to phrase for those with nothing to contribute but negativity. Don't worry Nick ll be full of how things are great if we beat Rotherham No Ted I won't be, if we can't beat them we may as well pack up. They have lost 4 and drawn 2 pof their lst 6 away, scoring 3 goals. |
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Post by Mr Breitside on Mar 4, 2015 21:37:33 GMT 1
Our form or results do not make Edgar a good signing. The guy is simply not good enough and to say he is one of Powell's first signings is seriously worrying.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 4, 2015 21:38:50 GMT 1
Edgar is an utter waste of a wage, I'd rather see Gobern in there!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:42:36 GMT 1
Should we fail to beat Rotherham CP will no doubt and rightly hear the vocal discontent from the stands
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 5, 2015 8:17:03 GMT 1
Wonder what the few days of training are doing, today and Friday as bet they had yesterday off.
Time for Majeski and Gobern to be given big chance.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 5, 2015 8:49:51 GMT 1
Got to agree, Edgar is crap, not sure what he brings to the table or why he's been signed. The clubs use of the loan market is diabolical, Brentford have Pritchard and Toral and we sign Miller and Edgar, who's got more noggins about them, them or us? If the best we can get is Edgar and Miller or the club and Powell think they are good enough, we're doomed.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 5, 2015 8:55:24 GMT 1
To only bring in a utility defender / very average midfielder like we did shows very limited ambition. What ambition should we have ? And who funds it ? I think the club have come to a crossroads now Ted, they need to decide what they want, either continue muddling along or try and make a real ho of it in this league. We've been a Championship club for 3 seasons now with small incremental progression each season. This season, in the main, has been poor. The fans are restless, the club seem a little directionless, with safety all but assured we should be looking to kick on, finish as high up the table as we can, get the fans back onside in readiness for season ticket sales. Poor season ticket sales will hurt the club and probably lead to relegation next season. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 5, 2015 9:30:42 GMT 1
What ambition should we have ? And who funds it ? I think the club have come to a crossroads now Ted, they need to decide what they want, either continue muddling along or try and make a real ho of it in this league. We've been a Championship club for 3 seasons now with small incremental progression each season. This season, in the main, has been poor. The fans are restless, the club seem a little directionless, with safety all but assured we should be looking to kick on, finish as high up the table as we can, get the fans back onside in readiness for season ticket sales. Poor season ticket sales will hurt the club and probably lead to relegation next season. You remind me of Kate Bush's lyrics from the song Cloudbusting . "Ooh, I just know that something good is going to happen. And I don't know when, But just saying it could even make it happen" "They need to decide what they want" i'm sure what they want is what we want. Town to finish as high as possible. Preferably promotion to the premier league. When we got there im sure what we would all want is then for town to win the premier league. I know ive been dubbed "the clibbens of datm" but im sorry there really is a financial correlation between success and money. The top two in the league are man city and Chelsea. The bottom two are Cheltenham and Hartlepool. Now im no wizard but I would speculate that man c and Chelsea are near to... or indeed THE top two spenders in the league. And the other two are anmongst the bottom spenders... Im sure you get that argument ? im sure you understand the correlation? Now that aint to say that each and every club in the 92's league position correlates to budget. Of course it doesn't because football is a game of fine margins, also player recruitment isn't a science, indeed football isn't a science. Hence Bradford are in the quarter finals of the FA cup with jon stead at centre forward.... So each year you get your southamptons, your burnleys, your brentfords etc........ But as a rule the correlation between finance and league position is pretty robust . Applying that to HTFC, ten years ago we were mid table third tier probably on a mid table third tier budget... Now we are mid to lower second tier on a mid to lower second tier budget... Some of us think that's progress... that we would rather play Boro and Derby than Yeovil and Orient... Of course we want more more more.... Do you think you want to see town play in the prem more than me? I doubt it mate.... So then you say we should be "looking to kick on finish as high as we can" Do you think we are not trying to do that.. do we lose on purpose? Youre taking me back to kate bush.... We lost two games... thank Christ I wasn't at either cos by the sounds of it id have been moaning and groaning about those displays as much as the next man. But it is what it is... A really competitive league with teams who are all just as "ambitious" as us... So we win some we lose some we draw some. So how do we "kick on" as you call it.... Well Art lets go back to finance because we have to don't we... the only way we get to the top of the league and get promoted in my opinion barring a miracle is to pump more cash in... So these words like "ambition" actually mean find a buyer with lots of dosh , because Dean has said he cant put in those reserves... My understanding is that the club have been looking to find a buyer for quite a while now... but its not that easy is it? If it was then every club would do it surely? So in the meantime whether you like it or not we have to "muddle on" (heading for about 4th highest league position in last 40 years?) . Im no happy clapper. It destroys me when town lose.... But a human mind should contain balance and realism.. And in my opinion 99% of the baying hordes who come on here when we lose just don't have any of either |
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Post by Floyds on Mar 5, 2015 12:35:37 GMT 1
Unfortunately (like it or not), a lot of fans (such as BT) are fed up with Town at the moment.
Our attendances (and season ticket sales) will show the effect of this.
I went the other night, and we really were hopeless in both our effort and our application.
I'm back up this weekend but don't think I'll be going to the Rotherham game (which is probably for the best, given my record this season).
If we're not attracting fans such as myself, who have been going for many years, we've no chance of getting the casual "floating" fan along.
So as has been said, I think the club do need to have a re-think this summer in terms of the proposition they are offering and what we're hoping to achieve.
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Post by terraceterrier on Mar 5, 2015 12:54:14 GMT 1
Whilst we are picking on individuals what about Wallace ffs?
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Post by bristolterrier on Mar 5, 2015 17:13:56 GMT 1
I said in the "just got back thread"that Edgars performance was one of the worst I have ever seen in my 48 years watching Town and I saw Gordon Tucker in a Town shirt. Wallace is just out of his depth at Championship level and everyone can see it. I know that Gerrard is a proper knob off the field but the stubbornness of Powell not to play him could cost us if Lynch is out much longer.
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Post by kes on Mar 5, 2015 17:20:57 GMT 1
I got the impression from comments made by Powell at the time of signing Edgar - regarding the advise of other players etc - that he hadn`t actually seen him play. He was available and seemed to fit the bill, so we signed him.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Mar 5, 2015 17:21:05 GMT 1
I heard Edgar makes a good cup of tea and can put up some shelves, its that versatility we really needed.
The summer will be make or break for Powell as he has cleared out and more to go no doubt so the wage bill will have been lowered. It will be interesting what we do next. It does have a feel like we are patching and making do right now which is a bit risky when its coming up to season ticket time again.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 5, 2015 18:41:26 GMT 1
I think the club have come to a crossroads now Ted, they need to decide what they want, either continue muddling along or try and make a real ho of it in this league. We've been a Championship club for 3 seasons now with small incremental progression each season. This season, in the main, has been poor. The fans are restless, the club seem a little directionless, with safety all but assured we should be looking to kick on, finish as high up the table as we can, get the fans back onside in readiness for season ticket sales. Poor season ticket sales will hurt the club and probably lead to relegation next season. You remind me of Kate Bush's lyrics from the song Cloudbusting . "Ooh, I just know that something good is going to happen. And I don't know when, But just saying it could even make it happen" "They need to decide what they want" i'm sure what they want is what we want. Town to finish as high as possible. Preferably promotion to the premier league. When we got there im sure what we would all want is then for town to win the premier league. I know ive been dubbed "the clibbens of datm" but im sorry there really is a financial correlation between success and money. The top two in the league are man city and Chelsea. The bottom two are Cheltenham and Hartlepool. Now im no wizard but I would speculate that man c and Chelsea are near to... or indeed THE top two spenders in the league. And the other two are anmongst the bottom spenders... Im sure you get that argument ? im sure you understand the correlation? Now that aint to say that each and every club in the 92's league position correlates to budget. Of course it doesn't because football is a game of fine margins, also player recruitment isn't a science, indeed football isn't a science. Hence Bradford are in the quarter finals of the FA cup with jon stead at centre forward.... So each year you get your southamptons, your burnleys, your brentfords etc........ But as a rule the correlation between finance and league position is pretty robust . Applying that to HTFC, ten years ago we were mid table third tier probably on a mid table third tier budget... Now we are mid to lower second tier on a mid to lower second tier budget... Some of us think that's progress... that we would rather play Boro and Derby than Yeovil and Orient... Of course we want more more more.... Do you think you want to see town play in the prem more than me? I doubt it mate.... So then you say we should be "looking to kick on finish as high as we can" Do you think we are not trying to do that.. do we lose on purpose? Youre taking me back to kate bush.... We lost two games... thank Christ I wasn't at either cos by the sounds of it id have been moaning and groaning about those displays as much as the next man. But it is what it is... A really competitive league with teams who are all just as "ambitious" as us... So we win some we lose some we draw some. So how do we "kick on" as you call it.... Well Art lets go back to finance because we have to don't we... the only way we get to the top of the league and get promoted in my opinion barring a miracle is to pump more cash in... So these words like "ambition" actually mean find a buyer with lots of dosh , because Dean has said he cant put in those reserves... My understanding is that the club have been looking to find a buyer for quite a while now... but its not that easy is it? If it was then every club would do it surely? So in the meantime whether you like it or not we have to "muddle on" (heading for about 4th highest league position in last 40 years?) . Im no happy clapper. It destroys me when town lose.... But a human mind should contain balance and realism.. And in my opinion 99% of the baying hordes who come on here when we lose just don't have any of either Post of the decade. Very well put Ted. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 5, 2015 18:45:04 GMT 1
Unfortunately (like it or not), a lot of fans (such as BT) are fed up with Town at the moment. Our attendances (and season ticket sales) will show the effect of this. I went the other night, and we really were hopeless in both our effort and our application. I'm back up this weekend but don't think I'll be going to the Rotherham game (which is probably for the best, given my record this season). If we're not attracting fans such as myself, who have been going for many years, we've no chance of getting the casual "floating" fan along. So as has been said, I think the club do need to have a re-think this summer in terms of the proposition they are offering and what we're hoping to achieve. did you not read any of what ted wrote? What is your suggestion for the rethink - if, given the chance, what would you propose. What would be your new strategy that the club could think about. Honestly I am interested to know what you think, because I am sure, those people that have successfully made a career out of running football clubs would also like to hear. But please don't start with get rid of x, y and z, and bring in new fresh quality players... |
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Post by buckers on Mar 5, 2015 18:56:51 GMT 1
Unfortunately (like it or not), a lot of fans (such as BT) are fed up with Town at the moment. Our attendances (and season ticket sales) will show the effect of this. I went the other night, and we really were hopeless in both our effort and our application. I'm back up this weekend but don't think I'll be going to the Rotherham game (which is probably for the best, given my record this season). If we're not attracting fans such as myself, who have been going for many years, we've no chance of getting the casual "floating" fan along. So as has been said, I think the club do need to have a re-think this summer in terms of the proposition they are offering and what we're hoping to achieve. did you not read any of what ted wrote? What is your suggestion for the rethink - if, given the chance, what would you propose. What would be your new strategy that the club could think about. Honestly I am interested to know what you think, because I am sure, those people that have successfully made a career out of running football clubs would also like to hear. But please don't start with get rid of x, y and z, and bring in new fresh quality players... Floyds a decent poster why you having a pop? And just because you agree with Ted doesn't make him right. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 19:06:22 GMT 1
Its just a game lads...just a game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 19:14:26 GMT 1
We all see it differently. Edgar (or an Edgar type player)offers versatility as a squad player that could mean we can have a stronger first 15-16 first choices and perhaps spend wiser for next season?
It could be that his appearances have been frequent as we have injuries, younger players needing a rest and the rest, I'd say that now is not the time for younger players - a bad performance could set them back and set the baying hounds off on here. Its another frustrating transitional period and who knows what next seasons squad will be, none of us have a crystal ball.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 5, 2015 19:24:22 GMT 1
bottom line is if we are just here to muddle along then the inevitable will happen.
truth is its an expensive division, even for us..
its ok for the die hards, even me to accept..the problem is we cant attract the revenue and unless dean is prepared to go further out on a limb its unlikely to change, save powell putting a team out next year for buttons that somehow astounds all the critics and makes a real fist of it..
this season dean just loses more money..we hopefully remain here and the new season becomes a similar re run of this one..with smaller crowds, less revenue and less interest in us..
only one way that's going..
the cost of being a die hard has increased to some tune, there will have to be something for the supporters to bite on at some point or we become Barnsley..
forget the past 40 years, its now and the immediate future that determines where we go, not where we have been..
ive watched town with the ground full and the ground virtually bereft of paying customers, the latter is no longer an option because the chances of coming back again are very slim and getting slimmer by the season...
I don't think you can aim to be mid table in the championship anymore..i certainly don't think you can aim to just do enough to stay here season on season.. it will end up sooner rather than later in a blackpool season..
btw, I pay to watch town play, if I want to watch the other teams play I can watch them on sky or I can watch 'football' in the premier league.. I appreciate players like Pritchard etc but id rather they had a shit game against us and Butterfield took the eye, or our all round play or commitment and application gave me hope for the future..
I want to play the better teams, not watch them play...
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Post by keithAM11532 on Mar 5, 2015 19:45:39 GMT 1
did you not read any of what ted wrote? What is your suggestion for the rethink - if, given the chance, what would you propose. What would be your new strategy that the club could think about. Honestly I am interested to know what you think, because I am sure, those people that have successfully made a career out of running football clubs would also like to hear. But please don't start with get rid of x, y and z, and bring in new fresh quality players... Floyds a decent poster why you having a pop? And just because you agree with Ted doesn't make him right. certainly not having a pop. But what does "the club needs to have a rethink mean" What does that mean. I think that the club is trying its utmost to make sure that a) we continue to survive and b) we do as best as we can. So if anyone has an idea - share it. |
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Post by Floyds on Mar 5, 2015 20:35:25 GMT 1
Ha. Sorry, didn't mean to offend.
Listen, I don't have all the answers, it's not my job to.
I believe that (this is my opinion, of course):
We should be promoting the young lads into the first team picture (could Billing be worse than Edgar?).
We need to take more interest in the cups (seeming to view them as an unwanted distraction from the league).
We should attempt to make the football at home more attractive to watch.
We should take more risks against the teams below us in the league, rather than drift towards a draw and ultimately end up with a defeat.
The players need to show more hunger, desire, commitment, fitness, effort in games (Tuesday was horrendous). So I'd be looking closely at the fitness levels in pre season in order to make us one of the fittest in the league.
We desperately need to sign a centre back (I know "signing quality players" is a pet hate of yours) because Wallace etc. are clearly not up to it.
Simply surviving in this league shouldn't be viewed as "progress". We "appear" to be sleep walking towards the end of the season (again). Not helped by all of the above. And at the wrong time for season ticket renewals.
And we need to make coming down to the stadium a positive experience again (this is the most difficult one I accept).
But putting a team out who plays with freedom, attacks teams, looks to win games, would surely help? One that has pride in their performance.
What are we doing with the prices? I see Rotherham(!) is a Category A game on Saturday? I'd remove categorisation of games.
I'd give schools loads of free tickets (my first game was via Lindley Infants in c.1985). I'd do the same with the university (or discounted tickets at least).
I'd improve the catering and the bars. I'd look to sort a permanent home end out.
I'd get some positivity back into the club. Stop the "we are where we are" and "we can't compete financially in this league" rhetoric.
Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure you'll suggest how the club is/has been/will do/don't need to/will find it impossible to do the above.
But, such is life.
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Post by Floyds on Mar 5, 2015 20:45:32 GMT 1
Oh and in terms of "having a re-think", I'm sure the club wants the players to be the fittest in the league and to go through in the cups etc.
But it hasn't happened this season, or last.
So (in the examples above), I'd look at our pre season regime and how this can be improved and try to change the attitude of the managers and the players towards the cups. Impress on them the need to win at all costs (perhaps even sacrificing the possibility of a point in the following league game).
It's not all going to be possible.
All processes, behaviours, attitudes should be looked at.
Hardly rocket science but personally, I'd shake things up if I were in charge down there this summer.
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