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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 23:11:35 GMT 1
So, what would your opinion be of people driving to a food bank to get food? Do you think it doesn't happen? Fine, if they need to get food & have no other way of getting there. Presumably you think they should walk. A single lad in his early 20s, that'd be fine. A single mum with 3 kids who lives 4 miles from the nearest food bank, not so much. Think about it.... They can afford to own, tax, insure, maintain and fuel a car. They can't however, afford food, which would be cheaper than running the car, even for a family with 3 kids. The cost of driving for the free food will often outweigh the value of the food. Food is cheap in the UK. A roast dinner with 3 veg, for 4 adults costs less than a gallon of petrol to produce to the table.
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Post by chinaski on Mar 31, 2015 23:16:06 GMT 1
They've definitely become better publicised but you can't deny that the current administration's policies on welfare haven't played a part, too. I know, Sky Sports are doing OK though.... Poverty? The UK doesn't know the meaning. Even the lowest of the low get enough free cash to live a healthy living if they pack up drugs, booze and fags. The only exception will be those temporarily denied benefits. Not long termers. Ten fold? Dream on. Did Rupert Murdoch shag your wife or something?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 23:20:03 GMT 1
If only Marcus and a few others knew the inside track as to how the public sector & local/central govt outsourcers are incentivised under their various contracts then he might start to post a more balanced view... I acknowledge that some of these contracts were continued and undertaken under the Labour administration but would say the lucrative aspect of these contracts tends to flourish under governments leaning more towards the right... I think I've probably said enough now... No, carry on. I haven't got a clue what you're trying to get across. Any guardian links to explain? I have no idea or interest in local or central government outsourcers or how they are incentivised. In fact quoting that b0llox has made ne realise how bored I get when there's no football going on. How long to the next match again? If I can't whinge about Town, whinging at socialists is a poor option!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 23:23:22 GMT 1
I know, Sky Sports are doing OK though.... Poverty? The UK doesn't know the meaning. Even the lowest of the low get enough free cash to live a healthy living if they pack up drugs, booze and fags. The only exception will be those temporarily denied benefits. Not long termers. Ten fold? Dream on. Did Rupert Murdoch shag your wife or something? Something.. I'm not married.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 31, 2015 23:34:19 GMT 1
Did Rupert Murdoch shag your wife or something? Something.. I'm not married. Colour me surprised
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 23:45:07 GMT 1
Something.. I'm not married. Colour me surprised Did it once, never again! (maybe)
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 1, 2015 0:02:51 GMT 1
Fine, if they need to get food & have no other way of getting there. Presumably you think they should walk. A single lad in his early 20s, that'd be fine. A single mum with 3 kids who lives 4 miles from the nearest food bank, not so much. Think about it.... They can afford to own, tax, insure, maintain and fuel a car. They can't however, afford food, which would be cheaper than running the car, even for a family with 3 kids. The cost of driving for the free food will often outweigh the value of the food. Food is cheap in the UK. A roast dinner with 3 veg, for 4 adults costs less than a gallon of petrol to produce to the table. Think about it.... the reason they can afford to own, tax, insure, maintain and fuel a car is because they have a job. A job they can't get to unless they drive. A job that doesn't pay enough to cover basic cost of living.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 9:38:23 GMT 1
Think about it.... They can afford to own, tax, insure, maintain and fuel a car. They can't however, afford food, which would be cheaper than running the car, even for a family with 3 kids. The cost of driving for the free food will often outweigh the value of the food. Food is cheap in the UK. A roast dinner with 3 veg, for 4 adults costs less than a gallon of petrol to produce to the table. Think about it.... the reason they can afford to own, tax, insure, maintain and fuel a car is because they have a job. A job they can't get to unless they drive. A job that doesn't pay enough to cover basic cost of living. And if the food bank is far enough away that they need to drive to get there, then they'll probably spend more on fuel than the value of the free tinned and dried food they go to collect.
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Post by ligament on Apr 1, 2015 10:01:26 GMT 1
The possibility of a country run by labour and the nationalists from scotland and wales scares me to death and will look to divide this country further.
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Post by wtd on Apr 1, 2015 10:19:12 GMT 1
The one in Hudders is called The Welcome Centre just below pigeon park. It's been going for years but during this government the usage has increased ten-fold. Would you put that down to the current Government's policies or just greater accessibility etc? Folk are not ten times worse off in the last five years. I'm not sure that's what's implied. More like, more folk (ten times as many... hmmm?) crossed the line into needing food banks in the last five years, maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 10:28:26 GMT 1
A lot of people using these food banks will be those seeking refuge in this country. By refuge I mean an easy life. Make your own decisions as to who is responsible for making the decisions on migration of labour, and mass uncontrolled immigration.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 1, 2015 11:31:50 GMT 1
A lot of people using these food banks will be those seeking refuge in this country. By refuge I mean an easy life. Make your own decisions as to who is responsible for making the decisions on migration of labour, and mass uncontrolled immigration. Do you have evidence to back up this claim if not, why would you conjecture? Please don't be as niave as Marcusd with regards to the foodbanks. I was hoping that it was truly only him with the ignorance of a fool of why people 'need' the food banks at all. Now you are speculating 'who' uses them too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 11:37:37 GMT 1
A lot of people using these food banks will be those seeking refuge in this country. By refuge I mean an easy life. Make your own decisions as to who is responsible for making the decisions on migration of labour, and mass uncontrolled immigration. Do you have evidence to back up this claim if not, why would you conjecture? Please don't be as niave as Marcusd with regards to the foodbanks. I was hoping that it was truly only him with the ignorance of a fool of why people 'need' the food banks at all. Now you are speculating 'who' uses them too. Wife works for social services, so I have an insight. I'm sure the foodbanks do a good job for those that need them, and I'm sure they are used by people that chose to spend their money on other items. Human nature.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 1, 2015 11:39:01 GMT 1
Do you have evidence to back up this claim if not, why would you conjecture? Please don't be as niave as Marcusd with regards to the foodbanks. I was hoping that it was truly only him with the ignorance of a fool of why people 'need' the food banks at all. Now you are speculating 'who' uses them too. Wife works for social services, so I have an insight. I'm sure the foodbanks do a good job for those that need them, and I'm sure they are used by people that chose to spend their money on other items. Human nature. Some interesting stories and stats here Mel www.trusselltrust.org/
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 1, 2015 11:40:52 GMT 1
Think about it.... the reason they can afford to own, tax, insure, maintain and fuel a car is because they have a job. A job they can't get to unless they drive. A job that doesn't pay enough to cover basic cost of living. And if the food bank is far enough away that they need to drive to get there, then they'll probably spend more on fuel than the value of the free tinned and dried food they go to collect. Roughly £1.50 in petrol for the example I gave earlier - perhaps they'd get more food - I don't know. Alternatively, maybe they should go to the supermarket, which might be just as long a drive.... Or maybe they're popping in on the way home from work. Out of interest, since you're an expert on the matter - what did you do when you had to live on a £5 per person per week food budget after having an unexpected drop in your income?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 1, 2015 13:14:24 GMT 1
And if the food bank is far enough away that they need to drive to get there, then they'll probably spend more on fuel than the value of the free tinned and dried food they go to collect. Roughly £1.50 in petrol for the example I gave earlier - perhaps they'd get more food - I don't know. Alternatively, maybe they should go to the supermarket, which might be just as long a drive.... Or maybe they're popping in on the way home from work. Out of interest, since you're an expert on the matter - what did you do when you had to live on a £5 per person per week food budget after having an unexpected drop in your income? As a penny pinching gastronomical wizard Marcus was able to whip a kings banquet, what with his frugal approach to his diet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 15:06:55 GMT 1
Roughly £1.50 in petrol for the example I gave earlier - perhaps they'd get more food - I don't know. Alternatively, maybe they should go to the supermarket, which might be just as long a drive.... Or maybe they're popping in on the way home from work. Out of interest, since you're an expert on the matter - what did you do when you had to live on a £5 per person per week food budget after having an unexpected drop in your income? If it ever happened, even on the most basic of benefits hand outs, I'd prioritise food over drugs, fags, booze and Sky Sports, unlike many in our society nowadays. It's already been shown that a family of 4 can cook at roast chicken dinner, for under £1.25 each. Food is very cheap in the UK, anyone who can't afford it, no matter how badly off are not prioritising their spending properly. Mind you, we live in a society which has to remind the public of even basic things through public service adverts on the radio. We have a society with people too stupid to think for themselves. Money Advisory Service, Check your smoke alarms, How to behave in interviews... etc. At 44p per mile cost to run a car (HMRC official figures), couldn't they walk the 1.5 miles each way to save the fuel money? Seeing as they're that hard up that they are relying on food hand outs to survive?
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Post by chinaski on Apr 1, 2015 15:20:28 GMT 1
Roughly £1.50 in petrol for the example I gave earlier - perhaps they'd get more food - I don't know. Alternatively, maybe they should go to the supermarket, which might be just as long a drive.... Or maybe they're popping in on the way home from work. Out of interest, since you're an expert on the matter - what did you do when you had to live on a £5 per person per week food budget after having an unexpected drop in your income? If it ever happened, even on the most basic of benefits hand outs, I'd prioritise food over drugs, fags, booze and Sky Sports, unlike many in our society nowadays. It's already been shown that a family of 4 can cook at roast chicken dinner, for under £1.25 each. Food is very cheap in the UK, anyone who can't afford it, no matter how badly off are not prioritising their spending properly. Mind you, we live in a society which has to remind the public of even basic things through public service adverts on the radio. We have a society with people too stupid to think for themselves. Money Advisory Service, Check your smoke alarms, How to behave in interviews... etc. At 44p per mile cost to run a car (HMRC official figures), couldn't they walk the 1.5 miles each way to save the fuel money? Seeing as they're that hard up that they are relying on food hand outs to survive? Where do you get the idea that people using food banks can afford to run a car?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 15:36:22 GMT 1
If it ever happened, even on the most basic of benefits hand outs, I'd prioritise food over drugs, fags, booze and Sky Sports, unlike many in our society nowadays. It's already been shown that a family of 4 can cook at roast chicken dinner, for under £1.25 each. Food is very cheap in the UK, anyone who can't afford it, no matter how badly off are not prioritising their spending properly. Mind you, we live in a society which has to remind the public of even basic things through public service adverts on the radio. We have a society with people too stupid to think for themselves. Money Advisory Service, Check your smoke alarms, How to behave in interviews... etc. At 44p per mile cost to run a car (HMRC official figures), couldn't they walk the 1.5 miles each way to save the fuel money? Seeing as they're that hard up that they are relying on food hand outs to survive? Where do you get the idea that people using food banks can afford to run a car? It was more about an earlier post where the it was seen that driving to a food bank was OK. My line of thinking was that at least some of the growing numbers using food banks are doing so rather than prioritising spending away from non-essentials. I.E. You shouldn't be using a food band and still drinking, smoking, taking drugs, gambling or spending money on other non essentials.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 1, 2015 15:37:35 GMT 1
Roughly £1.50 in petrol for the example I gave earlier - perhaps they'd get more food - I don't know. Alternatively, maybe they should go to the supermarket, which might be just as long a drive.... Or maybe they're popping in on the way home from work. Out of interest, since you're an expert on the matter - what did you do when you had to live on a £5 per person per week food budget after having an unexpected drop in your income? If it ever happened, even on the most basic of benefits hand outs, I'd prioritise food over drugs, fags, booze and Sky Sports, unlike many in our society nowadays. It's already been shown that a family of 4 can cook at roast chicken dinner, for under £1.25 each. Food is very cheap in the UK, anyone who can't afford it, no matter how badly off are not prioritising their spending properly. Mind you, we live in a society which has to remind the public of even basic things through public service adverts on the radio. We have a society with people too stupid to think for themselves. Money Advisory Service, Check your smoke alarms, How to behave in interviews... etc. At 44p per mile cost to run a car (HMRC official figures), couldn't they walk the 1.5 miles each way to save the fuel money? Seeing as they're that hard up that they are relying on food hand outs to survive? Only in your fantasy world ..... What energy do you use to cook this purchased food, clean and purchase the cutlery and crockery, travel to Aldi to purchase it, launder and buy the clothes one needs to wear to go to the shops. I think you need to find a wife to show you how your simplistic world is so far removed from reality.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 1, 2015 15:42:01 GMT 1
Where do you get the idea that people using food banks can afford to run a car? It was more about an earlier post where the it was seen that driving to a food bank was OK. My line of thinking was that at least some of the growing numbers using food banks are doing so rather than prioritising spending away from non-essentials. I.E. You shouldn't be using a food band and still drinking, smoking, taking drugs, gambling or spending money on other non essentials. You're digging deeper now Marcus these foodbank users have stopped watching sky sports but have apparently taken up gambling and drugs. If I was in England I'd love to spend a day with you volunteering at a food bank so you can question each poor soul how they spent their money. Here's some stats of the users of foodbanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:06:35 GMT 1
Only in your fantasy world ..... What energy do you use to cook this purchased food, clean and purchase the cutlery and crockery, travel to Aldi to purchase it, launder and buy the clothes one needs to wear to go to the shops. I think you need to find a wife to show you how your simplistic world is so far removed from reality. Come on, think about this. Of those additional costs you mentioned, which of those DON'T also apply to food from a food bank? We're talking of people who can't afford the ingredients for the meal, unless of course, food banks also provide clothing, laundry services, crockery, cutlery and free energy. Those costs will apply whether using a food bank or buying the food from a supermarket. What I'm stressing is that food is so cheap in this country, that those who can afford the energy to cook the food bank food, buy the cutlery and crockery to serve the food bank food, travel to the food bank, launder and buy the clothes one needs to wear to go to the food bank, could also afford to buy the food itself if they prioritised their spending. Even the poorest of the poor seem to be able to still afford fags at £5 a packet when pleading poverty and blaming bankers and the Tories for the increase in food banks. Poverty in it's realest form does not exist in the UK. Our idea of poverty is not being able to afford non necessary or luxury goods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:33:37 GMT 1
A lot of people using these food banks will be those seeking refuge in this country. By refuge I mean an easy life. Make your own decisions as to who is responsible for making the decisions on migration of labour, and mass uncontrolled immigration.EU skeptic I take it?
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Post by artysid on Apr 1, 2015 16:46:23 GMT 1
Europe The Tory’s took us into Europe after they had negotiated the terms of our entry including the transfer of powers from Parliament, and Immigration.
Thereafter it was Mrs Thatcher (despite her anti Europe image) who transferred more powers to Europe(e.g. through the Single European Act of 1986 and the Maastricht Treaty) than any Prime Minister before or since.
Immigration Historically Immigration has always been a feature of this country’s economic life. Current immigration can be divided into two categories - controllable immigration (e.g. from non EEC countries), and uncontrollable (i.e. from the EEC) immigration.
Non EEC Immigration The active encouragement of post war large scale Immigration of predominantly low skilled black people and Asians began in the late 50’s early 60’s under the then Tory administration. The single major influx (of highly skilled, well educated, entrepreneurial Ugandan Asians) took place in the early 70’s again when a Tory administration was in power.
Controllable immigration has actually increased under this current Tory administration. It is speculative to say whether the situation would have differed significantly under Labour, I doubt it, but what is fact is that anyone who voted for this government believing they would reduce immigration has been let down.
EEC immigration A direct result of the Tory’s negotiating the terms of, and taking us into the EEC.
Essentially migration within the EEC cannot be controlled unless we leave it. When politicians make promises about controlling it (other than those who would take us out of the EEC) they are lying.
Labour could have delayed but not prevented immigration from the new East European Member States but again immigration from within the EEC has continued to rise under this administration.
Underlining the immigration debate is the ironic possibility that given a falling birth rate and longer life expectancy, future governments whether we stay in the EEC or not, may be faced with the prospect of having to attract large numbers of economically active immigrants to sustain the economic growth needed to support an ageing population.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:47:13 GMT 1
And once again, the Socialists attack the right wing view without offering any debate or alternative, Yawn.... It's a bit tedious Transporter T26. Really?! Really?! I offered debate on how to incentivise work for the unemployed and how to stop tax avoidance. All you've done is belittle arguments. Your excuse is to accuse those of being socialists and berating the Guardian. I'm no socialist, I'm to the centre of politics. It's not hard to be left of where you stand. Now give some debate, plausible answers or arguments that you can back up. Rather than assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:48:17 GMT 1
It was more about an earlier post where the it was seen that driving to a food bank was OK. My line of thinking was that at least some of the growing numbers using food banks are doing so rather than prioritising spending away from non-essentials. I.E. You shouldn't be using a food band and still drinking, smoking, taking drugs, gambling or spending money on other non essentials. You're digging deeper now Marcus these foodbank users have stopped watching sky sports but have apparently taken up gambling and drugs. If I was in England I'd love to spend a day with you volunteering at a food bank so you can question each poor soul how they spent their money. Here's some stats of the users of foodbanks. Lovely graph and I'm not disagreeing with it. But, and it's a big but... It has no relation what so ever to how these food bank users are prioritising their spending does it? Where are the columns showing how many still smoke, drink, take drugs or have Sky Sports? (Which is the whole point I'm trying to make).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:51:33 GMT 1
And once again, the Socialists attack the right wing view without offering any debate or alternative, Yawn.... It's a bit tedious Transporter T26. Really?! Really?! I offered debate on how to incentivise work for the unemployed and how to stop tax avoidance. All you've done is belittle arguments. Your excuse is to accuse those of being socialists and berating the Guardian. I'm no socialist, I'm to the centre of politics. It's not hard to be left of where you stand. Now give some debate, plausible answers or arguments that you can back up. Rather than assumptions. It looks like a picture to me. I see no debate in your post with the picture, which is the post I was replying to.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 1, 2015 16:54:01 GMT 1
You're digging deeper now Marcus these foodbank users have stopped watching sky sports but have apparently taken up gambling and drugs. If I was in England I'd love to spend a day with you volunteering at a food bank so you can question each poor soul how they spent their money. Here's some stats of the users of foodbanks. Lovely graph and I'm not disagreeing with it. But, and it's a big but... It has no relation what so ever to how these food bank users are prioritising their spending does it? Where are the columns showing how many still smoke, drink, take drugs or have Sky Sports? (Which is the whole point I'm trying to make). The biggest column is due to delayed benefits that is NO money to buy not only FOOD but booze fags or skysports - Are there booze or ciggie banks where these freebies can be had? What part of that cannot you not understand Marcus? And where exactly are the homeless expected to put their sky dish for the skysports they subscribe to? I'm done fella, but when I next return to the UK Iam willing to meet you and we can both volunteer for a day at these food banks because clearly you need to educate yourself about the users of these sadly fast growing due to demand essential services.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 16:55:53 GMT 1
Really?! Really?! I offered debate on how to incentivise work for the unemployed and how to stop tax avoidance. All you've done is belittle arguments. Your excuse is to accuse those of being socialists and berating the Guardian. I'm no socialist, I'm to the centre of politics. It's not hard to be left of where you stand. Now give some debate, plausible answers or arguments that you can back up. Rather than assumptions. It looks like a picture to me. I see no debate in your post with the picture, which is the post I was replying to. Open your eyes... page 15.
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Post by artysid on Apr 1, 2015 17:03:51 GMT 1
Marcus
Do you agree with the two points below? If not I’d like to debate them with you
1 The National Debt has risen under this administration
2.Although the deficit (i.e. net borrowing as a % of GNP) has halved since 2009 /10, it is still over double what it was in the years between 2000 and 2008
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