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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 20, 2015 10:26:27 GMT 1
Anybody got highlights of the incident? I have only seen the allowed goals. It's on here but you can't see where their player is when the ball comes to Nahki, you just see him slide off the pitch with Scannell in the build-up. www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/314289/reportThanks for the link - looks a good goal to me. Poor control from Butterfield, Smith and Coady for three of theirs - but all difficult balls.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:04:44 GMT 1
Anybody got highlights of the incident? I have only seen the allowed goals. It's on here but you can't see where their player is when the ball comes to Nahki, you just see him slide off the pitch with Scannell in the build-up. www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/314289/reportAs you said you can't see where their player is when it comes to Nahki. Given there was only a few seconds between him sliding off the pitch and Nahki receiving the ball, it's difficult to imagine he could have got up and run back far enough to play Nahki offside. Must admit, I hadn't seen the player slide off at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:52:15 GMT 1
Never get why so many people get so aggitated over a manager stepping outside of his technical area. What difference does it make? It's not like he's winning headers and tackling our players. Mclaren was about 20 cm out at one point and about 20 people around me are shouting down really angrily "get him in his box", "boooooo, get him told", "this isn't on, what a disgrace, get him back!" Bla bla bla. Really? And Deadman didn't make zero effort, he clearly joked with him and just said something like "come on mate, step back a bit". What do you want him to do? Pick him up and smack him about a bit so he doesn't do it again? I'm not complaining about being a few cm's outside his technical area. When he was actually stood on the pitch when Smithies was running up to take a goal kick though, and he was literally a yard or 2 away from Gobern then yes I do expect the fourth official to physically make (I'm thinking a stern word and a hand on the shoulder rather than a 'smack about') an attempt to move the manager back... I think this is more likely to be why there was so much complaining, it certainly was the reason people around me were complaining so much at the time.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Apr 20, 2015 13:38:58 GMT 1
I'm not complaining about being a few cm's outside his technical area. When he was actually stood on the pitch when Smithies was running up to take a goal kick though, and he was literally a yard or 2 away from Gobern then yes I do expect the fourth official to physically make (I'm thinking a stern word and a hand on the shoulder rather than a 'smack about') an attempt to move the manager back... I think this is more likely to be why there was so much complaining, it certainly was the reason people around me were complaining so much at the time. Fair enough, never bothers me but I guess the rules should be stuck to
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 20, 2015 13:44:21 GMT 1
he used to manage England and is therefore 'allowed' more leeway than mere mortals..Tom Ince turned down the England U21s and therefore imo, can never redeem himself..I am aware it might be cutting off my nose etc etc but there it is, heartily sick od players deciding when and where they deign to play for their country..
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 20, 2015 18:33:31 GMT 1
Anybody got highlights of the incident? I have only seen the allowed goals. It's on here but you can't see where their player is when the ball comes to Nahki, you just see him slide off the pitch with Scannell in the build-up. www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/314289/reportCheers for that. It certainly doesn't look like their defender would have got up and far enough up to get Wells offside.
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Post by terryya on Apr 20, 2015 22:11:16 GMT 1
Cheers for that. It certainly doesn't look like their defender would have got up and far enough up to get Wells offside. He definitely didn't as he was still there after the ref had blown for offside.
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Post by jose on Apr 21, 2015 13:30:48 GMT 1
I haven't seen the offside goal, but if Wells was beyond the GK when he received the ball, then he was offside. Law states 'beyond the line of the second last defender', the goalkeeper is classed as a defender with offside. The ref was indeed assuming their player off the pitch, was still active. Probably still a shit ref though ;0)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 22:11:09 GMT 1
I haven't seen the offside goal, but if Wells was beyond the GK when he received the ball, then he was offside. Law states 'beyond the line of the second last defender', the goalkeeper is classed as a defender with offside. The ref was indeed assuming their player off the pitch, was still active. Probably still a shit ref though ;0) Correct. I haven't seen the goal either, however someone said there were two defenders beyond Wells and one does not have to be the keeper. Based on what I have heard, but not seen for myself, it should have been allowed but that's footy!
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 21, 2015 22:19:36 GMT 1
I haven't seen the offside goal, but if Wells was beyond the GK when he received the ball, then he was offside. Law states 'beyond the line of the second last defender', the goalkeeper is classed as a defender with offside. The ref was indeed assuming their player off the pitch, was still active. Probably still a shit ref though ;0) But he wasn't. The key was the defender off the pitch.
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Post by jose on Apr 22, 2015 13:43:51 GMT 1
Just watched it Gledholt, you right Wells wasn't beyond the GK.So ref/assistant ref have decided the player off the pitch is inactive due to sliding off the pitch unintentionally as opposed to deliberately going off the pitch. If he'd deliberately gone off the pitch, he'd have been booked and goal would have stood. As Davva says thats footy!
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 22, 2015 13:46:04 GMT 1
Can't believe people are bleating about this, move on!
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Post by Amigo on Apr 22, 2015 15:33:53 GMT 1
Can't believe people are bleating about this, move on! Ironic from someone that dug up an old thread about Edgar just to have a pop at him when he hadn't even played.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 22, 2015 16:00:27 GMT 1
Just watched it Gledholt, you right Wells wasn't beyond the GK.So ref/assistant ref have decided the player off the pitch is inactive due to sliding off the pitch unintentionally as opposed to deliberately going off the pitch. If he'd deliberately gone off the pitch, he'd have been booked and goal would have stood. As Davva says thats footy! There's no such thing as an "inactive" defender - if he is off the pitch he's deemed to be on it at the dead ball line. Ref's assistant ballsed up. But I'll move on!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Apr 22, 2015 16:05:34 GMT 1
Can't believe people are bleating about this, move on! Ironic from someone that dug up an old thread about Edgar just to have a pop at him when he hadn't even played. The thing to do is to dig up this thread in 11 days time
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 16:31:35 GMT 1
Just watched it Gledholt, you right Wells wasn't beyond the GK.So ref/assistant ref have decided the player off the pitch is inactive due to sliding off the pitch unintentionally as opposed to deliberately going off the pitch. If he'd deliberately gone off the pitch, he'd have been booked and goal would have stood. As Davva says thats footy! There's no such thing as an "inactive" defender - if he is off the pitch he's deemed to be on it at the dead ball line. Ref's assistant ballsed up. But I'll move on! Correct, no offence committed due to accidently leaving the field of play. Goal should have stood. When an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick to be taken from the position of the offending player when the ball was last played to him by one of his team-mates. Any defending player leaving the field of play for any reason without the refereeās permission shall be considered to be on his own goal line or touch line for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play. If the player leaves the field of play deliberately, he must be cautioned when the ball is next out of play.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 22, 2015 16:51:12 GMT 1
Can't believe people are bleating about this, move on! Ironic from someone that dug up an old thread about Edgar just to have a pop at him when he hadn't even played. It wasn't that old
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Apr 22, 2015 17:00:50 GMT 1
Ironic from someone that dug up an old thread about Edgar just to have a pop at him when he hadn't even played. It wasn't that old Is it going to change the outcome? No Fucking waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 17:14:26 GMT 1
Is it going to change the outcome? No Fucking waste of time. What is?
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Apr 22, 2015 17:45:26 GMT 1
Is it going to change the outcome? No Fucking waste of time. What is? Banging about was he wasn't he the game finished 4-4 & we are safe.
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Post by Amigo on Apr 22, 2015 17:57:22 GMT 1
Ironic from someone that dug up an old thread about Edgar just to have a pop at him when he hadn't even played. It wasn't that old Nearly 2 weeks, a lot older than this which is at least our last game the fresh Edgar bashing came out if nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 18:05:02 GMT 1
Banging about was he wasn't he the game finished 4-4 & we are safe. The debate was about whether Wells goal should have stood or not, the result and being safe has nothing to do with it. Some on here may have learned something from this discussion regarding the offside rule, I know I have, have you?
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 22, 2015 18:06:26 GMT 1
Nearly 2 weeks, a lot older than this which is at least our last game the fresh Edgar bashing came out if nowhere. 2 weeks is fairly fresh, I dragged a post up from 2008 yesterday no one battered an eye lid at that! Why you so bothered about bashing Edgar? You his mum?
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Apr 22, 2015 18:16:11 GMT 1
Banging about was he wasn't he the game finished 4-4 & we are safe. The debate was about whether Wells goal should have stood or not, the result and being safe has nothing to do with it. Some on here may have learned something from this discussion regarding the offside rule, I know I have, have you? The only rule I have regarding watching Town is I need to be a little bit drunk.
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Post by Amigo on Apr 22, 2015 20:05:56 GMT 1
Nearly 2 weeks, a lot older than this which is at least our last game the fresh Edgar bashing came out if nowhere. 2 weeks is fairly fresh, I dragged a post up from 2008 yesterday no one battered an eye lid at that! Why you so bothered about bashing Edgar? You his mum? Just thought it was a bit sad and pathetic to bring it up again for no reason what so ever when everyone has already thrown their 2 pence in. He is currently our player and he won't be here next season so I just couldn't see the point in having another go especially when he hadn't even played.
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