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Apr 20, 2015 8:09:52 GMT 1
Post by bristolterrier on Apr 20, 2015 8:09:52 GMT 1
The Derby fans on the front row had actually parted and emptied a seat for Hudson. My problem was that Ince didn't have to do anything just run forward until he got close enough for a pretty simple finish, the least Hudson should've done is make Ince work for the opportunity and I actually wouldn't have had a problem with him just wiping him out. I'm not convinced by him, I initially thought he'd be a really good signing but our goals against column says it all and when it's generally perceived that Smithies, Lynch, Robinson/Reece have done well this season it could mean we need to step up the quality of the other 2. SAy's it all. We will not progress as we would like without a positive goal difference.This has to be the major focus next year.
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 10:31:05 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 20, 2015 10:31:05 GMT 1
Someone said on the radio he was the best captain ever, talk about getting carried away! He's in good form atm but he's been bang average all season!
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 20, 2015 10:53:41 GMT 1
Someone said on the radio he was the best captain ever, talk about getting carried away! He's in good form atm but he's been bang average all season! Yeah i heard that too. Can't comment on what hes like skipper wise off the pitch in terms of arranging team stuff etc. Im sure he'll have the respect of the squad but I don't really see him doing much leading on the pitch, and Ive noticed a few times that when push comes to shove at the end of games and we're hanging on for a result, hes been the one who loses his composure and starts panicking more than anyone. Hard to see past peter Clarke as the best skipper weve had recently.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 10:58:42 GMT 1
Is Hudson better than Peter Clarke? I think they have both been excellent in their time unfortunately age catches up with us all, its just a a little more noticeable when your a professional footballer. Hudson has not had a bad season overall but I think Powell will be looking for a central defender in the summer and Hudson will probably be going down in the pecking order. pecking order? sounds like he would be a good signing for the Chickens
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 20, 2015 10:58:41 GMT 1
Someone said on the radio he was the best captain ever, talk about getting carried away! He's in good form atm but he's been bang average all season! Yeah i heard that too. Can't comment on what hes like skipper wise off the pitch in terms of arranging team stuff etc. Im sure he'll have the respect of the squad but I don't really see him doing much leading on the pitch, and Ive noticed a few times that when push comes to shove at the end of games and we're hanging on for a result, hes been the one who loses his composure and starts panicking more than anyone. Hard to see past peter Clarke as the best skipper weve had recently. Couldn't agree more, great post!
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 16:03:54 GMT 1
Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 20, 2015 16:03:54 GMT 1
We need a bloody good central defender alongside a more consistent Lynch plus two new fullbacks (James could be one of them). Hudson & Smith, whilst having the odd good game here & there, aren't up to it if we want to have a solid defence. So, which of your favourites are we having back - Clarky or Gerrard?!!!
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 16:06:48 GMT 1
Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 20, 2015 16:06:48 GMT 1
Long term would Coady be worth a go next to Lynch or would that be a waste? I think he did al right when he played there for one game (I think?) but he would be exposed in a back three.
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 16:10:41 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 20, 2015 16:10:41 GMT 1
long term Hudson and lynch are here next season..any longer term than that and we are looking at the development centre halves I think.. both of whom have impressed this year..
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 20, 2015 17:38:22 GMT 1
The Derby fans on the front row had actually parted and emptied a seat for Hudson. My problem was that Ince didn't have to do anything just run forward until he got close enough for a pretty simple finish, the least Hudson should've done is make Ince work for the opportunity and I actually wouldn't have had a problem with him just wiping him out. I'm not convinced by him, I initially thought he'd be a really good signing but our goals against column says it all and when it's generally perceived that Smithies, Lynch, Robinson/Reece have done well this season it could mean we need to step up the quality of the other 2. SAy's it all. We will not progress as we would like without a positive goal difference.This has to be the major focus next year. Its true - but hard to achieve. I mean the Derby, Ipswich, Watford, Brentford defences have all looked weak at our place this season and look where they are. Defending is an 11 man game. Obviously improving the individuals helps - but its all round teamwork that leads to a positive goal difference. Its the first time in a few games we have been "penetrated" through the middle and someone other than the centre halves should have been closing Ince down. In fact I think Lynch could have done a better closing job for Ince's first goal as well. He read it late and turned his back on it. Not hammering Lynch here - these things happen.
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 17:55:31 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 20, 2015 17:55:31 GMT 1
We need a bloody good central defender alongside a more consistent Lynch plus two new fullbacks (James could be one of them). Hudson & Smith, whilst having the odd good game here & there, aren't up to it if we want to have a solid defence. So, which of your favourites are we having back - Clarky or Gerrard?!!! They were both better than Hudson!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 20, 2015 18:01:53 GMT 1
maybe Hudson ought to shout at others a bit more, especially after his cock up or poor positioning caused the goal..??
use the 'smoke and mirrors' that clark used to???
my word a bit of shouting and posturing can fool some people, cant it?
the man spent most of his time here trying desperately and ridiculously at times, to make up for his own shortcomings as a player.. still, he fooled some..
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 18:03:38 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 20, 2015 18:03:38 GMT 1
btw, don't go off on one..i never doubted his allegiance and the effort he put in... its just not enough when you cause the other 3 with you to not know if they are farting or shitting themselves..
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 18:03:40 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 18:03:40 GMT 1
maybe Hudson ought to shout at others a bit more, especially after his cock up or poor positioning caused the goal..?? use the 'smoke and mirrors' that clark used to??? my word a bit of shouting and posturing can fool some people, cant it? the man spent most of his time here trying desperately and ridiculously at times, to make up for his own shortcomings as a player.. still, he fooled some.. Clarke.
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 18:06:12 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 20, 2015 18:06:12 GMT 1
blimey that was a few seconds you wont get back...
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Hudson
Apr 20, 2015 18:31:25 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 18:31:25 GMT 1
blimey that was a few seconds you wont get back... Here's another few. Won't.
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Hudson
Apr 21, 2015 8:51:20 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 8:51:20 GMT 1
We need a bloody good central defender alongside a more consistent Lynch plus two new fullbacks (James could be one of them). Hudson & Smith, whilst having the odd good game here & there, aren't up to it if we want to have a solid defence. I was alarmed how awful Smith was on Saturday. At direct fault for 2 goals. Poor in posession. Looked lost defensively. I haven't been to as many games as Id have liked this season but it seemed clear he's hasn't kicked on. He may have just had a bad game but it isn't the only poor showing I've seen. I was left thinking on Saturday that he's not going to be good enough for a top 10 championship side. James tho small and Robinson before him show there are far better quality players out there albeit on loan...
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 21, 2015 10:16:36 GMT 1
We need a bloody good central defender alongside a more consistent Lynch plus two new fullbacks (James could be one of them). Hudson & Smith, whilst having the odd good game here & there, aren't up to it if we want to have a solid defence. I was alarmed how awful Smith was on Saturday. At direct fault for 2 goals. Poor in posession. Looked lost defensively. I haven't been to as many games as Id have liked this season but it seemed clear he's hasn't kicked on. He may have just had a bad game but it isn't the only poor showing I've seen. I was left thinking on Saturday that he's not going to be good enough for a top 10 championship side. James tho small and Robinson before him show there are far better quality players out there albeit on loan... Yet he blotted out Antonio at Forest and looked very solid at Brighton against a decent wide man. He is generally excellent in possession and pretty smart in the opposition box with his overlaps, passes and crosses. However, I know what you mean - he doesn't look like a natural right back and to be fair to him he is supposed to be a centre half and is playing out of position. When defenders look all at sea its often because the players around him are not doing their jobs. At Forest when he blotted out Antonio Scannell was very tight in front of him and Coady and Hudson were sharp on his inside. Hunt often looked all at sea defending as well but often the teamwork around him was not good. Smith's lack of control of a difficult ball cost one goal - but if you say that - you have to say just the same for Coady and Butterfield. We have conceded a couple of goals since James came from attackers going round him and getting their crosses in.
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Hudson
Apr 21, 2015 10:21:21 GMT 1
Post by wtd on Apr 21, 2015 10:21:21 GMT 1
I was alarmed how awful Smith was on Saturday. At direct fault for 2 goals. Poor in posession. Looked lost defensively. I haven't been to as many games as Id have liked this season but it seemed clear he's hasn't kicked on. He may have just had a bad game but it isn't the only poor showing I've seen. I was left thinking on Saturday that he's not going to be good enough for a top 10 championship side. James tho small and Robinson before him show there are far better quality players out there albeit on loan... Yet he blotted out Antonio at Forest and looked very solid at Brighton against a decent wide man. He is generally excellent in possession and pretty smart in the opposition box with his overlaps, passes and crosses. However, I know what you mean - he doesn't look like a natural right back and to be fair to him he is supposed to be a centre half and is playing out of position. When defenders look all at sea its often because the players around him are not doing their jobs. At Forest when he blotted out Antonio Scannell was very tight in front of him and Coady and Hudson were sharp on his inside. Hunt often looked all at sea defending as well but often the teamwork around him was not good. Smith's lack of control of a difficult ball cost one goal - but if you say that - you have to say just the same for Coady and Butterfield. We have conceded a couple of goals since James came from attackers going round him and getting their crosses in. I would advocate him playing alongside Lynch as a centre back but I think he has a tendency to switch off at times defensively... so that's a 'no' from me on that score.
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Hudson
Apr 21, 2015 10:25:20 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 21, 2015 10:25:20 GMT 1
play in a back 4.. one central defender runs away too soon and too quickly, the other has a propensity to lurch forward and make challenges he cant possibly win and it leaves 2 full backs in no mans land too often...get a strategy in place and frigging stick to it..both full backs can then have at least an educated guess about what the centre halves are about to do.. we failed to close down 3 times on Saturday, it proved fatal everytime, that's all.. forget the loss of possession , that happens the fact is we then backed away and allowed virtually free shots from too close to players who are too good to allow it to happen.. if the run at you, take you on, beat you and score , then fair enough.. the 4th goal, Hudson hadn't been booked, that might have been the time to get one? ? Be honest, its not a massive problem to solve in itself..
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Post by impact on Apr 21, 2015 17:39:12 GMT 1
We need a bloody good central defender alongside a more consistent Lynch plus two new fullbacks (James could be one of them). Hudson & Smith, whilst having the odd good game here & there, aren't up to it if we want to have a solid defence. I was alarmed how awful Smith was on Saturday. At direct fault for 2 goals. Poor in posession. Looked lost defensively. I haven't been to as many games as Id have liked this season but it seemed clear he's hasn't kicked on. He may have just had a bad game but it isn't the only poor showing I've seen. I was left thinking on Saturday that he's not going to be good enough for a top 10 championship side. James tho small and Robinson before him show there are far better quality players out there albeit on loan... Which 2? You could put some of the blame on him in the build up of the 4th but don't see what else he did wrong.
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Apr 21, 2015 23:41:59 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 23:41:59 GMT 1
I was alarmed how awful Smith was on Saturday. At direct fault for 2 goals. Poor in posession. Looked lost defensively. I haven't been to as many games as Id have liked this season but it seemed clear he's hasn't kicked on. He may have just had a bad game but it isn't the only poor showing I've seen. I was left thinking on Saturday that he's not going to be good enough for a top 10 championship side. James tho small and Robinson before him show there are far better quality players out there albeit on loan... Which 2? You could put some of the blame on him in the build up of the 4th but don't see what else he did wrong. The second goal came down his side. He neither stopped the cross or closed their man down. Indecisive and their lad picked out Dawkins running in. The 4th was entirely his error, a horror touch putting them in, and he knew it. It happens though I'm not crucifying the lad by any means. I'm just not sure about him as I was last year. One thing I am sure of today though is that we have a manager who knows how to defend himself and will know a good full back or one worth persevering with at least. Hopefully, a good pre season and smith can be that guy.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 22, 2015 0:23:46 GMT 1
Think you're being very harsh on Smith over that game Joe. Yes he took a bad touch for their 4th, but that can happen to any player and is an error, as apose to poor defending technique , which is what we saw from Hudson seconds later with his suicidal backing off. Hes probably not kicked on like we all hopes he would from last seasons promising start, but the lads got a lot of ability IMO and with good coaching should make a very good player at our level.
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Hudson
Apr 22, 2015 0:31:47 GMT 1
Post by impact on Apr 22, 2015 0:31:47 GMT 1
Which 2? You could put some of the blame on him in the build up of the 4th but don't see what else he did wrong. The second goal came down his side. He neither stopped the cross or closed their man down. Indecisive and their lad picked out Dawkins running in. The 4th was entirely his error, a horror touch putting them in, and he knew it. It happens though I'm not crucifying the lad by any means. I'm just not sure about him as I was last year. One thing I am sure of today though is that we have a manager who knows how to defend himself and will know a good full back or one worth persevering with at least. Hopefully, a good pre season and smith can be that guy. 4th I can see, not entirely his fault but a large part of it was. For the 2nd he had a 2 on 1. Couldn't do much if anything about it. And even if he could there were 3 players in the box who were beaten to the ball by the Derby player.
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Hudson
Apr 23, 2015 12:14:43 GMT 1
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 23, 2015 12:14:43 GMT 1
Which 2? You could put some of the blame on him in the build up of the 4th but don't see what else he did wrong. The second goal came down his side. He neither stopped the cross or closed their man down. Indecisive and their lad picked out Dawkins running in. The 4th was entirely his error, a horror touch putting them in, and he knew it. It happens though I'm not crucifying the lad by any means. I'm just not sure about him as I was last year. One thing I am sure of today though is that we have a manager who knows how to defend himself and will know a good full back or one worth persevering with at least. Hopefully, a good pre season and smith can be that guy. Butterfield and Coady had horror touches as well resulting in two of their goals.
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Apr 23, 2015 13:16:10 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 13:16:10 GMT 1
Yep both at fault too. They've had decent seasons though. Not sure smith has kicked on from last year. Not sure right back is his best position.
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Apr 23, 2015 13:40:40 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Apr 23, 2015 13:40:40 GMT 1
Yep both at fault too. They've had decent seasons though. Not sure smith has kicked on from last year. Not sure right back is his best position. I've said this before but I can't see how we can expect him to push on when he isn't given a position to fully learn and grow into. He's been a right centre half in a 3, a right back, a right wing back and a left back at various stages this year. I realise that sometimes circumstances call for changes but his position has been messed with far more than anyone else's this year.
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Apr 23, 2015 16:22:54 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:22:54 GMT 1
Yep both at fault too. They've had decent seasons though. Not sure smith has kicked on from last year. Not sure right back is his best position. I've said this before but I can't see how we can expect him to push on when he isn't given a position to fully learn and grow into. He's been a right centre half in a 3, a right back, a right wing back and a left back at various stages this year. I realise that sometimes circumstances call for changes but his position has been messed with far more than anyone else's this year. Yeah fair point. I think it's his concentration, positioning and decision making that need attention. Powell is surely the man to so it tho and he certainly has time on his side to improve.
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