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Post by Olliewise on May 15, 2015 14:16:35 GMT 1
I know this is not really Town related and sorry if this is posted anywhere else before, but I've just read this: Queens Park Rangers will not be barred from the Championship despite being accused of breaching Football League regulations. Thoughts?
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Post by richyhtfc on May 15, 2015 14:26:45 GMT 1
any links?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 14:37:04 GMT 1
LINKAnother bloody bottle job!! Obviously the original statement was just more empty rhetoric from a tinpot FL.
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Post by philincalifornia on May 15, 2015 14:39:49 GMT 1
It's very Town-related, 'cos it means we'll be playing them next season.
Seems like all you have to do is have a newspaper print the words QPR and lawyer in the same sentence for the fairies at Fairy Land to capitulate.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 15, 2015 14:41:00 GMT 1
How is it not town related ? Makes a change from pointless threads
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 15, 2015 14:56:55 GMT 1
thoughts??
I don't think anybody actually believed the league would see any of this through..
so, no, everyone 'called this' as soon as the 'meaningless threats' were made.. especially the legal team at QPR..
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 15:08:13 GMT 1
I like the way the article says they are "alleged to have spent more on salaries than rules allowed". Are they questioning the accuracy of their annual report?
In the FL's defense, QPR are appealing the ruling and it's unlikely to be heard before the start of the season, so it would be even more of a farce if they chucked them out and then had to reinstate them a couple of months later.
I don't doubt they'll get away with, at worst, a suspended, or very small, fine.
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Post by Olliewise on May 15, 2015 15:12:31 GMT 1
How is it not town related ? Makes a change from pointless threads To be fair, I just thought I'd insult my own thread in the original post before epsom comes along and does it later
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 15:46:41 GMT 1
So it's basically just opening the door to any other rich chairman to throw money at it this summer and not worry about the consequences. They might aswell just scrap FFP
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Post by stevvy on May 15, 2015 16:10:31 GMT 1
In the FL's defence, apart from the fact it may not even be sorted by the time the season starts anyway, all they said was that it was an option that they wouldn't rule out. They never actually turned round and said "if they don't pay any fine we WILL throw them out".
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 15, 2015 16:33:32 GMT 1
I know this is not really Town related and sorry if this is posted anywhere else before, but I've just read this: Queens Park Rangers will not be barred from the Championship despite being accused of breaching Football League regulations. Thoughts? It's better than another Blackpool thread or a Lee Clark thread pal!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 15, 2015 16:41:43 GMT 1
I wouldn't have expected QPR to be thrown out of the league but if they get away without either a points deduction or a massive fine then the Football League will lose what little credibility it has and they might as well scrap FFP altogether.
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Post by Torquayterrier on May 15, 2015 16:56:13 GMT 1
Makes a mockery of people like Dean Hoyle trying their best to keep within the guidelines and doing things the 'right' way.Would have expected QPR to be starting on -10 next season at least. Far worse than the Blackpool decision.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 17:09:23 GMT 1
I wouldn't have expected QPR to be thrown out of the league but if they get away without either a points deduction or a massive fine then the Football League will lose what little credibility it has and they might as well scrap FFP altogether. Why? They had a ~£9m reported loss, so when you take into consideration the various allowances you dont declare on your FFP compliance statement, they MORE THAN LIKELY came in with a loss lower than the limit allowed. As things stand, they haven't been shown to have behaved in a way liable to attract a fine or transfer embargo, so all the talk about massive fines, points deductions and not allowing them to compete is all a bit premature. FORGET the emotional attachment to someone writing off £60m in loans, that's a perfectly valid thing to do. If anything, what people are doing in this thread is questioning the completeness of FFP regulations within English football, and deciding for theirselves that QPR have 'cheated', much like people question the size of Boltons outstanding debt and go, "how is that allowed?".
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Post by Carl2291 on May 15, 2015 17:18:57 GMT 1
Needs to be big punishments then.
Transfer ban, points deduction and the big fine.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on May 15, 2015 17:26:19 GMT 1
I know this is not really Town related and sorry if this is posted anywhere else before, but I've just read this: Queens Park Rangers will not be barred from the Championship despite being accused of breaching Football League regulations. Thoughts? They were never going to be or ever threatened with being banned or kicked out. A journalist asked the head of the football league what was the worst punishment a club could receive and he said a club could be kicked to the non-league. QPR and kicked out were never in the same sentence. It was the usual media over exaggerating things and every one jumped on the bandwagon. They'll get a fine - fight it - then it will be lowered.
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Post by huddersfc on May 15, 2015 17:41:49 GMT 1
Do you honestly think the football league will have the bottle to actually hand out proper punishments to teams who were in the premier league this season. If it was us, Rotherham or Blackpool it would have been very different
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 17:51:31 GMT 1
The problem for the FL is that (I expect) they're still run on principles of some degree of fair play and also an organisation that (again I'm guessing) isn't as cash rich as the FA and certainly nowhere near as wealthy as some Chairmen.
The net result of that is they will always struggle to win any court case or arbitration that's not black & white. Simply because they haven't the funds or the time to fight things that clubs can draw out and pump expensive QC's into...
Sport + Money... We reap the 'rewards' of this every day in many sports...
Can you imagine what a modern day terrestrial channel Grandstand or world of Sport would look like??
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 15, 2015 17:54:28 GMT 1
How is it not town related ? Makes a change from pointless threads I see what you did with pointless, good link.
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Post by Cole on May 15, 2015 17:57:15 GMT 1
A points deduction? Surely 'points should be decided on the field of play'
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 15, 2015 18:00:17 GMT 1
I'm surprised that anyone actually believed that QPR would be expelled, why would the FL expel one if its members and fook up the entire structure of the league and to be honest why would anyone want QPR expelled at a fan level. Why does everyone call for clubs to be treated harshly?
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Post by huddersfc on May 15, 2015 18:00:27 GMT 1
Points should always be decided on the field of play, except when they are sometimes decided by a group of fuckwits in an office, but only when it suits them
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 15, 2015 18:04:25 GMT 1
How is it not town related ? Makes a change from pointless threads I see what you did with pointless, good link. Lee Clark was on pointless
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Post by detox on May 15, 2015 18:07:29 GMT 1
I thought QPR were facing a £60m fine....if they just get away with it, the entire FFP structure becomes meaningless and I wouldn't be surpised if the other FL clubs told the FL to FO..
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 15, 2015 18:13:06 GMT 1
I wouldn't have expected QPR to be thrown out of the league but if they get away without either a points deduction or a massive fine then the Football League will lose what little credibility it has and they might as well scrap FFP altogether. Why? They had a ~£9m reported loss, so when you take into consideration the various allowances you dont declare on your FFP compliance statement, they MORE THAN LIKELY came in with a loss lower than the limit allowed. As things stand, they haven't been shown to have behaved in a way liable to attract a fine or transfer embargo, so all the talk about massive fines, points deductions and not allowing them to compete is all a bit premature. FORGET the emotional attachment to someone writing off £60m in loans, that's a perfectly valid thing to do. If anything, what people are doing in this thread is questioning the completeness of FFP regulations within English football, and deciding for theirselves that QPR have 'cheated', much like people question the size of Boltons outstanding debt and go, "how is that allowed?". That's not what was reported when they won promotion this time last year. They were said to have overspent by nearly £60 million and the fact that Fernandes has written that off is irrelevant when it comes to FFP rules. If Dean Hoyle had loaned the club £60 million this season and we'd spent it on players/salaries we would have been in breach of FFP regardless of whether or not he decided to write it off. Bolton's loss has mounted over a period of years and not all been incurred in one season as has been alleged in QPR's case.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 19:00:24 GMT 1
No. Thats wrong.
In your example, if Dean had written off the loan we WOULDNT have been in breach.
The simple fact is that writing off the loan means its no longer accounted as a *loss*...and FFP is policed against allowable *loss* limits.
You might not agree with it, but that's been enshrined in law since before football was invented.
What youre saying, like others, is, you dont believe QPR should be allowed to do what theyve done...ie, youre saying the FFP rules are 'not right'.
Dean chose to invest the amount he put in as a directors loan, he COULD have put in a further £20m effectively as an unconditional gift to the club if he so wanted, that would also be allowed under FFP regulations. Whether you think that SHOULD be allowed should be considered seperately from QPRs specific situation.
Personally, I see nothing wrong at all with an individual 'donating' whatever amount they want to a football club. If I was a billionaire, why shouldnt I be allowed to give away £100m to Hudds Town to do with as they please, as long as I dont do that in the form of a loan, loading the club with debt, then whats the problem, other than causing fans of other clubs to grow green eyes??
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Post by k1htafc on May 15, 2015 19:23:21 GMT 1
Do you honestly think the football league will have the bottle to actually hand out proper punishments to teams who were in the premier league this season. If it was us, Rotherham or Blackpool it would have been very differentThe considerable fine QPR are facing is because they got promoted and breached the FFP regulations - if it was us, Rotherham or Blackpool we would have received a transfer ban like Forest, Leeds and Blackburn did this January. Based on the regulations agreed, it appears QPR don't have a leg to stand on in terms of the fine they owe as a result of when they were in this league last time - apart from anything else, the ruling regarding owner equity injections meant the only time this is valid (and results in no breaching of the regulations) is when the losses incurred are between £3m and £8m. Given it was agreed ( Link) that the new regulations are to be implemented in the 2016/17, QPR are still subject to this. Would love to know what angle QPR's lawyers seem to be questioning the legality of the regulations because at the moment it feels like they're walking up a downwards escalator.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 19:24:36 GMT 1
It's all bollocks!
I actually agree that if an owner wants to give money to the club to balance the books there is nothing wrong with that as long as it is not a loan. FFP is a mess, I think we all know that, and it has no teeth.
I think the way Town go about it is better for the long term sustainability of the club because if the rich owner leaves or passes away a club can go into free fall if it is financially deficient on its own. Even with Town you have to wonder what would happen if Deano stopped propping the club up. We would have to cut the wage bill so much that relegation back to League 1 would be an almost certainty.
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Post by Stewpot on May 15, 2015 21:04:49 GMT 1
The FFP thing will like water find it's own level, in my opinion.
Clubs get new owners with more money than sense, or commitment to the cause, and when it all goes tits up, they lose interest, and funding ceases, as they then see it is not commercially viable any longer.
Sooner or later, most of them will end up in the FL graveyard, rotting like broken vessels.
We might be taking the sensible approach, a bit frustrating at times granted, but one day whether it is sooner or later, I firmly believe our approach will pay off.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 21:07:40 GMT 1
The FFP thing will like water find it's own level, in my opinion. Clubs get new owners with more money than sense, or commitment to the cause, and when it all goes tits up, they lose interest, and funding ceases, as they then see it is not commercially viable any longer. Sooner or later, most of them will end up in the FL graveyard, rotting like broken vessels. We might be taking the sensible approach, a bit frustrating at times granted, but one day whether it is sooner or later, I firmly believe our approach will pay off. Exactly. It's alright saying that their chairman has waived the £60 million loan but if he pulls out tomorrow then he leaves a club with a massive wage bill that will be hemorrhaging money and on their way to doing a Pompey. Thought the whole point of FFP was to try and make clubs as self sustainable as possible
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