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Post by cheesyhtfc on Sept 1, 2015 13:18:31 GMT 1
I don't disagree at all but my point is money becomes an excuse for not being better than we are within our constraints. I firmly believe our mindset holds us back and that presents a challenge that we should be rising above. We currently seem to be obsessed with balancing the finances, and I understand that, by all means do so but don't let it hold us back. I don't think it's an excuse, more a desperate plea by the club to try and give the fans some perspective. I think many Town fans expect something that simply isn't feasible - the club is trying to ensure that we understand our limits, even if many fans still wish for more. It's saying that "look, we all want to win the league, obviously, and we'll do everything we can to do so. However, we have to do so on a budget which means we ought to be thinking longer term. If we get up in the meantime, then brilliant. But we shouldn't expect or demand that at present." It's about making sure that our hopes don't become our expectations if they are unrealistic.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2015 13:21:53 GMT 1
This is all fine in theory, but what evidence have you to suggest we're capable of doing this? Zero wins all season. 3 wins in 23. And even if you include the good run before the 23 we still only get 52 points (I believe) if extrapolated over the season. We can't and won't stay up being as conservative as we are at home - one shot on target all game isn't good enough. I'd sacrifice one of the holding midfielders, which would at least be a start, before looking at how to get the best of our soon to be re-shaped squad. In spite of all that, we not only stayed up last year, we also achieved our highest position in 15 years. If we set ourselves up not to lose first and foremost, in the manner that we have done in the last four games, then 3/4 times we won't. If we can nick a few wins out of those(and we have been very close to doing so already), then we will be fine. I just don't see any reason for us to panic unless we are in the bottom three at Xmas - until then the team and tactics are still very embryonic. At the moment, looking beyond the stats, the signs are promising. how can you look beyond one very tame shot on target at home in 93 minutes??? they are very big blinkers you have on.. add that to losing a goal against a team that never looked like scoring and looked more comfortable with the 0-0 than we did??? nick a few wins is far too close to what is happening, where we nick a point from the jaws of 3 and lose a point in a game we never looked like winning or losing??? or just lose by the odd goal without ever looking like we might win it??? agreed we wont let in 75 goals but its not a consolation unless something happens often enough at the other end..
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Post by thomo on Sept 1, 2015 13:46:23 GMT 1
We will stay up, maybe by the skin of our teeth but we will. No we've been promised a mid table finish by Deano, anything less than 15th or above is unacceptable this season. We're already too far off the pace, so the side wasn't good enough to achieve our aims as it was. Very important few hours now. Don't let us done Deano!
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Post by COWleySHED on Sept 1, 2015 13:48:28 GMT 1
he has stated on website we wont rush into replacements - which means comes 6pm it will be bedlam on here when butters replacement turns out to be huws
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Sept 1, 2015 14:40:25 GMT 1
In spite of all that, we not only stayed up last year, we also achieved our highest position in 15 years. If we set ourselves up not to lose first and foremost, in the manner that we have done in the last four games, then 3/4 times we won't. If we can nick a few wins out of those(and we have been very close to doing so already), then we will be fine. I just don't see any reason for us to panic unless we are in the bottom three at Xmas - until then the team and tactics are still very embryonic. At the moment, looking beyond the stats, the signs are promising. how can you look beyond one very tame shot on target at home in 93 minutes??? they are very big blinkers you have on.. add that to losing a goal against a team that never looked like scoring and looked more comfortable with the 0-0 than we did??? nick a few wins is far too close to what is happening, where we nick a point from the jaws of 3 and lose a point in a game we never looked like winning or losing??? or just lose by the odd goal without ever looking like we might win it??? agreed we wont let in 75 goals but its not a consolation unless something happens often enough at the other end.. I was at both Fulham and QPR and what seemed painfully obvious was we repeatedly got into crossing positions and passed the ball rather than crossing it in. Why? Because the only player in the box was Wells, surrounded by 2 defenders. As a team, we have clearly wanted to play with wingers for the last 3 years. When we had Vaughan up front, that was fine because he would win the crosses into the box. Wells will not do that. I genuinely think that Wells was signed to appease the fans and not for tactical reasons. It is no surprise to me that Hammill's assist stats in the season we had a fit Vaughan were significantly better than Scannell's in the last two years - it is not a question of chance creation as such, rather that the needs of our striker are now completely different to the way in which the team is set up to play. Stats out of context are often misleading. Wingplay also means, incidentally, that having a playmaker like Butts is less important, because the role of the CM is mainly to win the ball and get it wide to the wingers before the opposition defence can set themselves. It is a tactic that has the potential to be very effective if we get the right striker on the pitch. As long as you have someone picking up the second ball on the edge of the area (whether that be an advanced CM or someone else) then you can attack and be solid in defence. I fear for Wells in this set up, because what he needs is the Nasri/Silva type player cutting in and slipping the ball through. The only player we have who can do that is Lolley (Bunn tries, but is too clumsy to effectively do it). If we can get a Vaughan/Rhodes-esque striker in, then we should be fine because it allows us to set the team up in the most effective way possible depending on the opposition - Scannell, New striker and Carayol or Lolley, Wells and Bunn. Selling Butterfield may also allow Lolley (or AN Other) to have a free role behind the striker (which is probably his best position), though I also doubt that Wells would flourish with that - he needs the space created by a fullback and CB being dragged out of position by a winger. As I say, we are one or two players from 1) being a good side and 2) having genuine competition for places. That's why I'm willing to give us until Xmas and see how it goes. It's also why I cringe when I see people say that Wells must stay on at all costs. Frankly, if his style of play is out of sync with the team, then he must adapt or risk losing his place if (and I realise it is a big if) we sign somebody capable of playing in that position. It is, after all, a team game. We must sign such a player if we are to get the best out of this team. If we don't, then we will sacrifice the attacking threat of players such as Scannell, Carayol, Davidson and, to an extent, Lolley in order to make sure that Wells scores. For the avoidance of doubt, my first 11 (out of the current squad) would be: Murphy Smith/Whitehead, Hudson, Lynch, Davidson Hogg, Whitehead/Huws Scannell, Lolley, Carayol Miller I would want a new striker in for Miller, but that team would, I think, have enough in it to see us safe into mid-table. We shouldn't attempt to shoehorn players into the side if it doesn't work, Wells is not exempt from this and, at the moment, I don't think he fits in with the way that the team plays (or has played from three years).
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Post by morleyterrier on Sept 1, 2015 16:44:35 GMT 1
We know who we are, where we are, why we are here. Listen at every home game tho. Apart from the NSL / south stand lot, there seems to be this atmosphere / sense of defeatism. We moan about moaning. How long is it since we have had the chance to cheer something on? or is it just that town fans in general as miserable feckers? Farsley, a few wins and the mood will lighten. Trouble is, where and when is our next win coming?. That topped with selling our best Players and you have a recipe for widespread unrest. I personally am more concerned about the lack of being able to win a match than our selling of Players.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Sept 1, 2015 17:11:18 GMT 1
How about Hogg Dempsey and Huws centre mid and ditch Whitehead
--------------------------------------Murphy -------------------Smith--------------Cranie -------------Lynch -----Scanz-----------------Hogg----------------Dempsey----------------Dickinson --------------------------------------Huws ------------------------Wells----------------------Carayol
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 1, 2015 17:17:42 GMT 1
To be honest I have avoided the board for a few days, but is it any wonder people are pissed off with what is happening. We sell Coady and are told that the money is to pay for the running of the club for the season. We then get told that we will use the Smithies money to strengthen the squad, and we do this with 2 loans, which I think is completely unacceptable. We now sell Butterfield, and get rid of Hammill and looking likely Vaughan, with no time to bring any permanent recruits in, so we will once again dip into the loan market to try and appease the fans. On top of that we have one of the most boring, unadventurous managers, who is going to drag us back down into league 1 without much of a fight and certainly no entertainment value, all the while we are getting pissed on by selling all our best players and replacing them with loan players, who most of the time are never fully committed the way a permanent transfer would be. Unless by some miracle we bring in 2 permanent quality players with the money we were promised would strengthen the squad, we will be long gone by the time january comes and it wont matter who we bring in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 18:52:04 GMT 1
How about Hogg Dempsey and Huws centre mid and ditch Whitehead --------------------------------------Murphy -------------------Smith--------------Cranie -------------Lynch -----Scanz-----------------Hogg----------------Dempsey----------------Dickinson --------------------------------------Huws ------------------------Wells----------------------Carayol I can't see the route one tactic employed by Powell working too well with 2 small strikers, one of which is a winger!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2015 18:55:14 GMT 1
How about Hogg Dempsey and Huws centre mid and ditch Whitehead --------------------------------------Murphy -------------------Smith--------------Cranie -------------Lynch -----Scanz-----------------Hogg----------------Dempsey----------------Dickinson --------------------------------------Huws ------------------------Wells----------------------Carayol I can't see the route one tactic employed by Powell working too well with 2 small strikers, one of which is a winger! megs.. who the chuffin hell is dickinson.. sandra or david?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 18:56:07 GMT 1
I'm just surprised he didn't bring in a defender or three to bolster the midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 19:01:32 GMT 1
I can't see the route one tactic employed by Powell working too well with 2 small strikers, one of which is a winger! megs.. who the chuffin hell is dickinson.. sandra or david? Hah dunno ask the man who picked him
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Sept 1, 2015 20:12:42 GMT 1
The way Town are operating at the moment as a football club in regards to transfers, is noble and admirable and we should take pride in that. However we should not expect anything more than lower mid table this season and for the forseeable future barring dumb luck. But as someone has already said, when the system finally stops clubs from spending beyond their means, we will be among the only ones in a stronger position when the bubble does eventually burst. And I'd rather have that than go bust again.
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Post by villageidiot on Sept 1, 2015 20:57:58 GMT 1
The way Town are operating at the moment as a football club in regards to transfers, is noble and admirable and we should take pride in that. However we should not expect anything more than lower mid table this season and for the forseeable future barring dumb luck. But as someone has already said, when the system finally stops clubs from spending beyond their means, we will be among the only ones in a stronger position when the bubble does eventually burst. And I'd rather have that than go bust again. but the bubble wont burst will it.. a new tv deal on the horizon / no evidence of anyone being managed to the financial farplay system a bit like the farmer on the little house on the prairie..sitting tight until people lose interest with this new fanged m62
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Post by villageidiot on Sept 1, 2015 20:58:28 GMT 1
fangled
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