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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 24, 2015 1:50:43 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated.
I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters.
DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us.
Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk.
We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner.
Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive.
After tonight, I believe again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 3:54:22 GMT 1
I'm not sure about safe managers being a bigger risk, but I for one am glad Hoyle thought out of the box. I hate seeing all the usual suspects on a betting list, and having to endure days and days of speculation as to which manager we choose from the merry go round.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 4:39:00 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated. I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters. DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us. Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk. We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner. Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive. After tonight, I believe again. I truly hope it pays off for Town and Dean Hoyle. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 24, 2015 8:31:59 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated. I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters. DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us. Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk. We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner. Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive. After tonight, I believe again. You've just also recaptured my enthusiasm with this post - thanks. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 24, 2015 12:13:03 GMT 1
My pleasure! Wagner has a strong motivational side to him and it came over loud and clear. He's upped the training considerably so expect to see fitter players who last longer in a game. I feel pretty sure that we'll have one or two quality German lads in the squad sooner rather than later. He asked for another five weeks to assess the current squad and indicated that he was looking for potential that he felt his coaching team could improve.
He's already looking at houses and schools in the area and intends to bring his wife and children over in January. This man is 100& committed and I feel he will get a very positive response from the players.
Of course we all want to see the evidence on the pitch but if this guy can walk the talk we're in for some exciting times ahead.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 24, 2015 12:44:01 GMT 1
being one above the relegation zone will test his ethos to the max..there will have to be some fairly sharp progress in the results as well as performances because we do need to stay here.
bringing in some of his own players in January is fine as long as we are still in a position in the league to be able to play 'his way'..
confidence comes from results as well as from inspirational talking and training.. He is no longer just developing players for 'tommorow' and lets hope he gets a grip on that and quick.
He says he likes a challenge, well he certainly has one now..
Im going with it..we would have suffocated, slowly, under powell..
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 24, 2015 13:21:01 GMT 1
being one above the relegation zone will test his ethos to the max..there will have to be some fairly sharp progress in the results as well as performances because we do need to stay here. bringing in some of his own players in January is fine as long as we are still in a position in the league to be able to play 'his way'.. confidence comes from results as well as from inspirational talking and training.. He is no longer just developing players for 'tommorow' and lets hope he gets a grip on that and quick. He says he likes a challenge, well he certainly has one now.. Im going with it..we would have suffocated, slowly, under powell.. That's exactly what DW said last night and how crazy it was not to come in for training on a Sunday after preparing for a game all week. If we got a result, even more so as it was an immediate opportunity to share the reward of increased confidence and positivity. I don't want to knock CP but do think he had talked himself into things being a continual struggle and this would have been picked up on by his players. Increased fitness and motivation must surely make a difference and I'm looking forward to watching it. |
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Post by terrierpark on Nov 25, 2015 23:07:15 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated. I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters. DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us. Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk. We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner. Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive. After tonight, I believe again. Although what you are saying may well be 100% true it wont really be a new beginning until DH starts to take the view that self sufficiency cannot be achieved without seriously compromising the clubs chances of staying in this divsion by actually holding on to our better players and for once actually start to build a team, address positions where new and better players are needed. As much as CP has been a waste of time you cannot assett strip a club of its best players season after season after season and spend a mere fraction of the vast sums raised and expect miracles. The cynic in me thinks that all that is really happening is Wagner will help put our young lads in the shop window to produce more sales as there is bugger all of value in the current first 11. Once we have been bled dry i bet you anything the club will be sold. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 25, 2015 23:37:33 GMT 1
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Post by nuttyboy on Nov 25, 2015 23:52:37 GMT 1
just have to see how this appointment pans out ,if i doesnt work then god knows what deans next plan and restructuring is gonna be
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 26, 2015 0:11:28 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated. I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters. DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us. Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk. We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner. Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive. After tonight, I believe again. Although what you are saying may well be 100% true it wont really be a new beginning until DH starts to take the view that self sufficiency cannot be achieved without seriously compromising the clubs chances of staying in this divsion by actually holding on to our better players and for once actually start to build a team, address positions where new and better players are needed. As much as CP has been a waste of time you cannot assett strip a club of its best players season after season after season and spend a mere fraction of the vast sums raised and expect miracles. The cynic in me thinks that all that is really happening is Wagner will help put our young lads in the shop window to produce more sales as there is bugger all of value in the current first 11. Once we have been bled dry i bet you anything the club will be sold. Tell me how we can hold onto our better players when other clubs come in for them and offer to treble or quadruple their wages and they ask/demand to go and/or become difficult? Almost every player in every league has his price if another club wants them enough. Recently I might have thought there was something in your second (cynical) bit but honestly believe that Dean has got his enthusiasm back and will back Wagner to build a good team. He has always said that there is a price at which players will be sold for silly money or as above. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 26, 2015 0:19:03 GMT 1
Although what you are saying may well be 100% true it wont really be a new beginning until DH starts to take the view that self sufficiency cannot be achieved without seriously compromising the clubs chances of staying in this divsion by actually holding on to our better players and for once actually start to build a team, address positions where new and better players are needed. As much as CP has been a waste of time you cannot assett strip a club of its best players season after season after season and spend a mere fraction of the vast sums raised and expect miracles. The cynic in me thinks that all that is really happening is Wagner will help put our young lads in the shop window to produce more sales as there is bugger all of value in the current first 11. Once we have been bled dry i bet you anything the club will be sold. Usual tedious bullshit. Booo Dean Hoyle Booo. Put more millions in dean hoyle..Boooo boooo zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 1:52:03 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated. I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters. DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us. Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk. We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner. Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive. After tonight, I believe again. Although what you are saying may well be 100% true it wont really be a new beginning until DH starts to take the view that self sufficiency cannot be achieved without seriously compromising the clubs chances of staying in this divsion by actually holding on to our better players and for once actually start to build a team, address positions where new and better players are needed. As much as CP has been a waste of time you cannot assett strip a club of its best players season after season after season and spend a mere fraction of the vast sums raised and expect miracles. The cynic in me thinks that all that is really happening is Wagner will help put our young lads in the shop window to produce more sales as there is bugger all of value in the current first 11. Once we have been bled dry i bet you anything the club will be sold. The cynic in me! LMAO. You are a complete and total cynic. That cracked me up. Happy Thanksgiving! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 3:19:21 GMT 1
Hoyle has definitely taken a big risk. Changing mid season and trying to get players suddenly fitter and used to a new system is a big risk that could definitely backfire. He's got a man he feels confident of backing in January now though and we need to scout and negotiate well ofcourse. We did great business in the summer sales wise and some decent acquisitions in Whitehead, crainey and Dempsey.
The league is not as strong as last 2 years IMO and so survival is possible, then with a proper close season Wagner and the club has a chance to really have a decent crack at the league.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Nov 26, 2015 3:41:56 GMT 1
Hoyle has definitely taken a big risk. Changing mid season and trying to get players suddenly fitter and used to a new system is a big risk that could definitely backfire. He's got a man he feels confident of backing in January now though and we need to scout and negotiate well ofcourse. We did great business in the summer sales wise and some decent acquisitions in Whitehead, crainey and Dempsey. The league is not as strong as last 2 years IMO and so survival is possible, then with a proper close season Wagner and the club has a chance to really have a decent crack at the league. I think it might have to get worse before it gets better. the players will not be able to adapt to a radical new way overnight. And the fitness levels will take a few weeks to improve. I fear we will go down again on Saturday and be back in the bottom three. It will be a test for the fans then as well as the players. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 26, 2015 10:40:49 GMT 1
I'll be happy if we stay up even if it's a lower final position than last season. Half a season isn't a lot of time to change an entire ethos when you have to actually compete whilst you are learning and adapting to a new system. SW away and Boro at home were never likely to be easy fixtures irrespective of who was in charge (I know we traditionally have a good record at Hillsborough but they look stronger and more consistent to me this season). The key will be sorting the defence out and improving goalscoring, obviously. Could be vital who we bring in in Jan. It was interesting Wagner mentioning it would take him about 5 weeks to figure out who was going to work and who wasn't, coincidentally that pretty much brings us to the transfer window.
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Post by dugnet on Nov 26, 2015 10:51:01 GMT 1
Although what you are saying may well be 100% true it wont really be a new beginning until DH starts to take the view that self sufficiency cannot be achieved without seriously compromising the clubs chances of staying in this divsion by actually holding on to our better players and for once actually start to build a team, address positions where new and better players are needed. As much as CP has been a waste of time you cannot assett strip a club of its best players season after season after season and spend a mere fraction of the vast sums raised and expect miracles. The cynic in me thinks that all that is really happening is Wagner will help put our young lads in the shop window to produce more sales as there is bugger all of value in the current first 11. Once we have been bled dry i bet you anything the club will be sold. Usual tedious bullshit. Booo Dean Hoyle Booo. Put more millions in dean hoyle..Boooo boooo zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Although I disagree with the ultra cynical view of the original post that DH will asset strip and then sell the club, why would he? - He could sell now and still pretty much recover the same cash revenue. But there needs to be a recognition that we do need to try, and I accept it isn't easy, to keep our better players longer in order to develop a team that can genuinely progress. It is no good DW developing the youngsters, giving them a chance, succeeding only to see the gems he has polished up being moved on to balance the books. I do not advocate DH ploughing millions in but the world is changing and teams like Brentford (no disrespect to them) have a larger budget in order to try and progress (noting they sold a player for £9m this season). I understand the need for us to do things differently and develop players bought, relatively, cheaply and through the academy but if DW starts to get some traction holding such players for an additional 12 -18 months maybe enough to make the difference to this club to start genuinely looking up. These are interesting times for the club and for DH. It feels like the second phase of the DH era has begun and the momentum that could be built up (attractive and relatively successful football will also bring people through the turnstiles) must be maintained and built on. For all the positivity that has been generated in the past 3 weeks, particularly the reports of the Q&A at Millbridge, the one really disappointing note was underlying acknowledgement that we have essentially bobbled on, with the best intentions, but have failed to really make any great strides. Stories of apparently half hearted commitment to training/fitness and managerial responsibilities beg the question; "How was this allowed to happen"? Money, time and effort has been wasted and the one question I would like to ask DH on Saturday (and I can't as I am unlikely to be there) is - "Have we learned the lessons of the past 4 seasons and what steps have been taken to improve on those lessons now"? The DW era cannot be about sound-bites and good intentions it needs everyone from the top of the club to the bottom to buy-in and work together and deliver a team we can all get behind, players we can identify with, football we enjoy and a real pride in the name Huddersfield Town. The fact that everyone has said this will take time tells you the size of the change required. I would like to see one small barometer for a change in the tide; granted a bit of luck with the draw let's set out our stall to have a real good go at the FA Cup and get some positive attention once again. Last season we pitifully gave up in the 3rd Round, this can't be allowed to happen - granted if we get drawn against one of the real big boys we just give it our best - otherwise I think it is a realistic target to drive interest and momentum, while focussing on the league and, being realistic, survival at this level. UTT |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 11:04:29 GMT 1
why shouldn't we aspire to be promoted to the greed league? That's what puzzles me. Do we send out the wrong signals to our players?
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Post by swissterrier on Nov 26, 2015 11:12:37 GMT 1
Agreed EastMidsTerrier.
Simply put I'll be happy, nay staggered, if we stay up this season. I don't put this down to anything more than (as almost to a man on here also states) the lack of goal scoring threat. Being unable to score puts added pressure on the defence, as they know the chances of us scoring 2 in a game are slim to none. If we do go down, IMO the fact that this was not addressed in the summer will be as much as an albatross around DH's neck as the sale of Marcus was to the previous incumbent at that time.
So, whilst I am really pleased with the appointment of Wagner, I do think he has a massive mountain to climb to keep this team in this division (and his job!). Not only will his new training regime take a while to bear fruit, we're already up to our eyeballs in loan players, and the Xmas transfer window is hardly the best place/time to try and find a good proven goal scorer.
Thus I'm concerned that if we're still searching for a win by Xmas, no matter how attractive the football is, the nay sayers will be out in force, the pressure will build and we'll dump him for some "tried and tested" manager to get us out of the deep dark smelly stuff....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 11:15:08 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated. I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters. DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us. Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk. We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner. Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive. After tonight, I believe again. Although what you are saying may well be 100% true it wont really be a new beginning until DH starts to take the view that self sufficiency cannot be achieved without seriously compromising the clubs chances of staying in this divsion by actually holding on to our better players and for once actually start to build a team, address positions where new and better players are needed. As much as CP has been a waste of time you cannot assett strip a club of its best players season after season after season and spend a mere fraction of the vast sums raised and expect miracles. The cynic in me thinks that all that is really happening is Wagner will help put our young lads in the shop window to produce more sales as there is bugger all of value in the current first 11. Once we have been bled dry i bet you anything the club will be sold. What a little shining sunbeam of light you are! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 26, 2015 20:41:30 GMT 1
Usual tedious bullshit. Booo Dean Hoyle Booo. Put more millions in dean hoyle..Boooo boooo zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Although I disagree with the ultra cynical view of the original post that DH will asset strip and then sell the club, why would he? - He could sell now and still pretty much recover the same cash revenue. But there needs to be a recognition that we do need to try, and I accept it isn't easy, to keep our better players longer in order to develop a team that can genuinely progress. It is no good DW developing the youngsters, giving them a chance, succeeding only to see the gems he has polished up being moved on to balance the books. I do not advocate DH ploughing millions in but the world is changing and teams like Brentford (no disrespect to them) have a larger budget in order to try and progress (noting they sold a player for £9m this season). I understand the need for us to do things differently and develop players bought, relatively, cheaply and through the academy but if DW starts to get some traction holding such players for an additional 12 -18 months maybe enough to make the difference to this club to start genuinely looking up. It doesn't balance the books though. We'll use some of the money to invest in the team and continue the strategy that has seen 8 seasons of league standing improvement in a row and the rest wil GO TOWARDS some of the ongoing losses, but one thing that definitely won't happen is any books balancing. So yeah sure, in an ideal world we'd keep our better players longer.. in an ideal world. This would have to be a world where Dean Hoyle is happy to pump in many millions more than he already does. And a world where the player himself is both happy to stay and miss out on his lucrative move to a bigger club, and still play to his highest level for us without being a disruptive influence and therefore a depreciating assett. That ideal world doesn't exist, so we have to make the best of the world we're actually in. Coady and Smithies, although good players the pair of them, haven't affected our team much at all by going IMO. Butterfield perhaps has to some degree but the amount we got for him was VASTLY more than he is worth. It would have been ridiculous to turn it down. There are a very small handful of clubs who don't have to sell their better players if they get a silly offer... Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, PSG, and Huddersfield Town. Oh hang on, one of them's not right.. can Terrierpark spot which one it is? If other clubs have a bigger budget its because they either have more fans than us, or they have an owner who is prepared to throw in even more money than ours does. If people want us to have a bigger budget too they can do one or both of two things- persuade another 5 or 6000 people in this area to actually support their town's championship football club, or they can hand over their millions for the club to spend. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 21:12:32 GMT 1
Although I disagree with the ultra cynical view of the original post that DH will asset strip and then sell the club, why would he? - He could sell now and still pretty much recover the same cash revenue. But there needs to be a recognition that we do need to try, and I accept it isn't easy, to keep our better players longer in order to develop a team that can genuinely progress. It is no good DW developing the youngsters, giving them a chance, succeeding only to see the gems he has polished up being moved on to balance the books. I do not advocate DH ploughing millions in but the world is changing and teams like Brentford (no disrespect to them) have a larger budget in order to try and progress (noting they sold a player for £9m this season). I understand the need for us to do things differently and develop players bought, relatively, cheaply and through the academy but if DW starts to get some traction holding such players for an additional 12 -18 months maybe enough to make the difference to this club to start genuinely looking up. It doesn't balance the books though. We'll use some of the money to invest in the team and continue the strategy that has seen 8 seasons of league standing improvement in a row and the rest wil GO TOWARDS some of the ongoing losses, but one thing that definitely won't happen is any books balancing. So yeah sure, in an ideal world we'd keep our better players longer.. in an ideal world. This would have to be a world where Dean Hoyle is happy to pump in many millions more than he already does. And a world where the player himself is both happy to stay and miss out on his lucrative move to a bigger club, and still play to his highest level for us without being a disruptive influence and therefore a depreciating assett. That ideal world doesn't exist, so we have to make the best of the world we're actually in. Coady and Smithies, although good players the pair of them, haven't affected our team much at all by going IMO. Butterfield perhaps has to some degree but the amount we got for him was VASTLY more than he is worth. It would have been ridiculous to turn it down. There are a very small handful of clubs who don't have to sell their better players if they get a silly offer... Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, PSG, and Huddersfield Town. Oh hang on, one of them's not right.. can Terrierpark spot which one it is? If other clubs have a bigger budget its because they either have more fans than us, or they have an owner who is prepared to throw in even more money than ours does. If people want us to have a bigger budget too they can do one or both of two things- persuade another 5 or 6000 people in this area to actually support their town's championship football club, or they can hand over their millions for the club to spend. well said in your last paragraph some on here do not live in the real world when it comes to football |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 21:40:08 GMT 1
I'll be absolutely straight. Having attended Andy Bolt's funeral earlier and then driving back home to Leeds I was in two minds about going back through the rush hour traffic to go to the Millbridge to listen to Dean and Herr Wagner. I chose to go and the traffic was even worse than I'd anticipated. I am so glad that I went. It was inspirational. Dean's enthusiasm is back and it was clearly evident. He was candid as always and told it as it was. He answered every question and David Wagner said that he wasn't used to a Chairman being so straight about things with supporters. DAvid Wagner came across the same. Honest, direct and refreshing. An intelligent man who is going to give a fresh start to every player. He said about James Vaughan 'I want to be a manager who makes him, not break him'. When asked about Ishy, with some background skitty laughter in the room, he absolutely picked up on it and said 'some players need a small key to make them better players and to be more confident in their abilities'. When asked about January transfer targets he asked for five weeks to complete his assessment of the current squad. When asked about fear of other teams with better players he said that he wasn't aware of other teams' strengths and said he would set-up with our strengths and let them worry about us. Dean said that some people had commented that employing David Wagner was a risk. His response was that to carry on employing 'safe' managers was the bigger risk. We are so blessed to have Dean Hoyle as our chairman. He has recaptured his enthusiasm and is going to back David Wagner. Things are going to change and the excitement is going to come back. We may need to be patient but we also need to be supportive. After tonight, I believe again. For all the folks pouring negativity on the post above, it's football, it's escapism, it's not real life... You could also argue that the club gets criticised for not being ambitious or daring, but at the first sign they do this, there are still some that pour scorn on things. Perhaps the club has just emerged from following the normal pattern that's expected in English football to actually just saying "you know what, bollocks, this might just work..." It's not the club who need to come out of the dark ages, it's some of the supporters... I don't wish to sensationalise or have this comment come across as anything disrespectful, but you know what, it sounds like a few folk on this board lost a good mate the other week, a sound bloke who probably had a piss poor last few yrs on this planet, but I expect if you'd asked his opinion on this left field/forward thinking approach with DW etc. it sounds like he was the sort of bloke who would have just said, "crack on, it's worth a try..." |
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Nov 27, 2015 14:19:37 GMT 1
Of all Hoyle's sackings I initially thought Powell's was the least deserved and in a way still do. However.. the thinking behind the new appointment is exciting and to be applauded, I like the fact the manager has no history in English football so there's no attachment to it, he can come in and say it as it is. Basically has told us it's his way or the highway and that applies for the fans too. However where he has really pulled a masterstroke is his emphasis on hard work being the key. As suffering Town fans all we have ever demanded is effort and fight for the cause. Buxton and Warnock had it and I think Wagner will almost certainly get it.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Nov 27, 2015 19:45:18 GMT 1
Great thread, but jeez, it aint half attracted some miserable bastards!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 28, 2015 21:10:45 GMT 1
Well today I definitely witnessed a new beginning. The effort was immense and lasted for the ninety minutes and I applaud DW for doing such an incredible job in so short a space of time. Football can be a cruel game and the result today was cruel after having dominated possession. On another day Nahki could have had three and SS was so close to scoring a goal after a fantastic attacking move.
We've been short in the final third almost all season to date and I expect this and one or two other positions to be addressed in January.
The second half of the season is going to be so much better than the first and I can't wait to see us at Birmingham next week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 21:28:05 GMT 1
A couple of points:
Maybe our better players will be more willing or likely to stay if they see that the ambition/coaching/strategy at the club has a better chance of taking them forward in their career.
We don't need a 'proven' goal scorer, just one who will score goals for us in our system. That's kind of what our buy-cheap-and-develop model is designed to do. In any case if Wells continues to improve at the rate he has to date under Wagner (2 games only, fellas) he might yet be that man.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Nov 28, 2015 23:12:26 GMT 1
A couple of points: Maybe our better players will be more willing or likely to stay if they see that the ambition/coaching/strategy at the club has a better chance of taking them forward in their career. We don't need a 'proven' goal scorer, just one who will score goals for us in our system. That's kind of what our buy-cheap-and-develop model is designed to do. In any case if Wells continues to improve at the rate he has to date under Wagner (2 games only, fellas) he might yet be that man. I maybe starting a rumour but I've heard Town are after this forgotten man from Newcastle |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 5, 2015 23:00:55 GMT 1
Believe - it's happening!
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Post by terrier25 on Dec 6, 2015 16:07:31 GMT 1
I've been through a lot of managerial changes in my time as a Town fan but none that has had such an immediate and dramatic impact on the performances of the team and the mood of the supporters.
Jacko taking charge for the first time in 1997 is the only one that comes close.
Wagner has only brought in one new player (Chilwell) and has lost billing, lynch and Vaughan yet looks to have a different squad.
Even the best manager we've ever had (Warnock) took from June til March to get the team playing effectively.
A centre back and a centre forward in January and we could be onto something.
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