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Post by explorer on Feb 3, 2016 17:41:49 GMT 1
As they have breached FFP, Cardiff are currently unable to sign players, which was no doubt a small hindrance as they tried to tie up a deal for Danish striker Kenneth Zohore from Odense. Unfortunately for Cardiff, Odense were not interested in a loan deal, they wanted Vincent Tan's money. Deal off then? Nah, Zohore was sold instead to Kortrijk in Belgium who immediately loaned him to Cardiff. By coincidence, Kirtrijk are owned by.....that's right, Vicent Tan.
The Football League stated "We are convinced that there isn't any evidence to suggest this transaction is being designed to circumvent the FFP embargo"
I would laugh, but..,.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 3, 2016 18:32:17 GMT 1
Spot on, pal. As ever, there are ways and means, and all the crooks will find ways. QPR are as bent as a nine bob bit and always have been, and Tan and his cronies at Cardiff are not far behind. Look at all the players that Leeds and Forest were able to bring in "on loan" whilst under an embargo. Laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 18:35:19 GMT 1
Watford have been doing the same for past 3 years
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 3, 2016 18:53:47 GMT 1
Didn't know Vincent Tan owned a club in Belgium. He also owns FK Sarajevo of Bosnia.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 3, 2016 19:17:28 GMT 1
To be fair to Tan he's put a lot of money into Cardiff.
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Post by terrierng on Feb 3, 2016 19:21:13 GMT 1
Watford have been doing the same for past 3 years Were Watford under an embago?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 19:25:10 GMT 1
Watford have been doing the same for past 3 years Were Watford under an embago? No but that was because they were doing it from the start so were always covered. To be fair though, now that they're the highest placed team out of those owned by the Pozzos, it is Watford buying the players and loaning them out
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Post by terrierng on Feb 3, 2016 19:29:44 GMT 1
Were Watford under an embago? No but that was because they were doing it from the start so were always covered. To be fair though, now that they're the highest placed team out of those owned by the Pozzos, it is Watford buying the players and loaning them out Cheers i didn't know, knew they were loaning loads from the owners other club but wasnt sure if they were under an embago at the time. To be honest if the clubs arn't under an embago i dont see the problem of loaning players from the owners other club,if their allowed to own more than one club then whats the problem? As long as they arn't under a transfer ban surely they can loan players from anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 19:35:11 GMT 1
No but that was because they were doing it from the start so were always covered. To be fair though, now that they're the highest placed team out of those owned by the Pozzos, it is Watford buying the players and loaning them out Cheers i didn't know, knew they were loaning loads from the owners other club but wasnt sure if they were under an embago at the time. To be honest if the clubs arn't under an embago i dont see the problem of loaning players from the owners other club,if their allowed to own more than one club then whats the problem? As long as they arn't under a transfer ban surely they can loan players from anywhere? It's just another way of circumventing FFP though. Main club signs X player and sends him out to smaller club who don't pay much if any of his wages. Smaller club then reaches the big time off the back of it while sailing through FFP. It just unfairly distorts competition but so does Derby throwing 30 million at it in the space of six months At the end of the day I'm only jealous
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Post by terrierng on Feb 3, 2016 19:47:12 GMT 1
Cheers i didn't know, knew they were loaning loads from the owners other club but wasnt sure if they were under an embago at the time. To be honest if the clubs arn't under an embago i dont see the problem of loaning players from the owners other club,if their allowed to own more than one club then whats the problem? As long as they arn't under a transfer ban surely they can loan players from anywhere? It's just another way of circumventing FFP though. Main club signs X player and sends him out to smaller club who don't pay much if any of his wages. Smaller club then reaches the big time off the back of it while sailing through FFP. It just unfairly distorts competition but so does Derby throwing 30 million at it in the space of six months At the end of the day I'm only jealous Yeah fair enough I'm jealous too;D Be ok when klopp sorts his mate this summer though;D ;D
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 3, 2016 20:21:37 GMT 1
Do we think DH should purchase a small German club to help us avoid the loopholes?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 3, 2016 20:34:07 GMT 1
Middlesbrough, Derby, Sheff W, Wolves, Burnley, Brighton & QPR have spent a fortune this season on transfers, Reading have also spent big, particularly on wages.. Will all 8 clubs get promotion? Nope. Should all the clubs who cheat the FFP be punished & their fines be evenly distributed to the clubs who stay within the FFP parameters? Yes they should.. Will anything happen? Nope!
Repeat next season, then the season after until eventually the Championship eats itself!
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Post by thenuggett on Feb 3, 2016 20:38:13 GMT 1
Bournemouth too breached FFP last season and basically put two fingers up at the Footballl League. It's about time teams where deducted points and not wrapped over the knuckles !
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 3, 2016 20:56:26 GMT 1
Bournemouth too breached FFP last season and basically put two fingers up at the Footballl League. It's about time teams where deducted points and not wrapped over the knuckles ! unfortunately, just as turkey's wouldn't vote for Christmas, the football league clubs wouldn't get enough votes from certain clubs for stiffer penalties. The rules have already been watered down from their first implementation.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 3, 2016 20:58:16 GMT 1
The F F P rules were introduced after a majority vote to ensure fair play. .
Q P R got promoted to the premier league by breaking the F F P rules which many class "as that of cheating ".
I believe this gave then an unfair advantage of receiving around £120 million plus for promotion to the premier league , and around £60 million plus given in parachute payments for relegation to the championship.
The club refused to pay a fine for breaking the F F P rules , and still have yet to be punished.
When the club was in the premier league , it was stated that they would not be allowed back into the football league if they did not make this payment thus any relegation would send them direct into the national league which was better known to most as the conference.
This is a perfect example that says the F F P are meaningless rules that do not apply to those clubs who want and can afford to cheat .
Answer = Q P R should have been made an example , and been booted out of the football league as a warning to others wanting to go down the same road.
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Post by bristolterrier on Feb 3, 2016 21:14:42 GMT 1
Like most I do not like clubs buying their way to success with ridiculous amounts of money. Best examples are probably perennial under achievers Chelsea and Man City until they had billionaire owners. However under FFP how will smaller clubs such as Bournemouth with a ground capacity of 10k ever compete with the top teams?. How many teams reach the top or get promoted without spending. FFP just seems like a restraint of trade and was certainly dreamt up by Mr Platini as a way of stopping the spending of English clubs who were beginning to dominate Europe.
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Post by Giggity on Feb 3, 2016 21:17:47 GMT 1
FFP is a fictional concept. No such thing.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Feb 3, 2016 21:47:33 GMT 1
Because the money in the pl is ridiculous, who'd have thought stoke would sign a player for £20m.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 3, 2016 21:48:47 GMT 1
Like most I do not like clubs buying their way to success with ridiculous amounts of money. Best examples are probably perennial under achievers Chelsea and Man City until they had billionaire owners. However under FFP how will smaller clubs such as Bournemouth with a ground capacity of 10k ever compete with the top teams?. How many teams reach the top or get promoted without spending. FFP just seems like a restraint of trade and was certainly dreamt up by Mr Platini as a way of stopping the spending of English clubs who were beginning to dominate Europe. Ex town chairman Mr Rubery might be able to explain better what could happen to many clubs who do not avoid a so called restraint.
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Post by thrice on Feb 3, 2016 22:58:36 GMT 1
Like most I do not like clubs buying their way to success with ridiculous amounts of money. Best examples are probably perennial under achievers Chelsea and Man City until they had billionaire owners. However under FFP how will smaller clubs such as Bournemouth with a ground capacity of 10k ever compete with the top teams?. How many teams reach the top or get promoted without spending. FFP just seems like a restraint of trade and was certainly dreamt up by Mr Platini as a way of stopping the spending of English clubs who were beginning to dominate Europe. They just have to do it the hard way just like Leicester are doing & in the process avoid being the next Leeds United. It's criminal that football ever got into a position where it needed to impose FFP on the clowns.
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Post by Marco4 on Feb 3, 2016 23:09:59 GMT 1
Cheers i didn't know, knew they were loaning loads from the owners other club but wasnt sure if they were under an embago at the time. To be honest if the clubs arn't under an embago i dont see the problem of loaning players from the owners other club,if their allowed to own more than one club then whats the problem? As long as they arn't under a transfer ban surely they can loan players from anywhere? It's just another way of circumventing FFP though. Main club signs X player and sends him out to smaller club who don't pay much if any of his wages. Smaller club then reaches the big time off the back of it while sailing through FFP. It just unfairly distorts competition but so does Derby throwing 30 million at it in the space of six months At the end of the day I'm only jealous Not a huge thing, but the Pozzo family have sold Granada now and have just opened an all singing all dancing Stadio Friuli. I wouldn't be surprised to see Watford dropping back to second ranks of that group within a few seasons.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 3, 2016 23:14:18 GMT 1
FFP is a total waste of time.
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Post by y2troy on Feb 3, 2016 23:50:26 GMT 1
What has FFP really brought into the game ?? , as said above teams find ways of getting players in regardless ,the whole point of an embargo was making the club work within its means now even when a player goes on loan there is wages loan fee etc etc ,so is a pointless exercise.
I have such respect for teams like Tottenham at the minute,buying good young english talent and giving them a go in the team i know its a different league an all that but all these teams that plough money in then complain about it ,only have themselve sto blame.
What does the future hold for FFP , well until they make an example of a team then unfortunately its gonna carry on the same way ,albeit these teams will come a croper eventually .
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 4, 2016 0:13:45 GMT 1
What has FFP really brought into the game ?? , as said above teams find ways of getting players in regardless ,the whole point of an embargo was making the club work within its means now even when a player goes on loan there is wages loan fee etc etc ,so is a pointless exercise. I have such respect for teams like Tottenham at the minute,buying good young english talent and giving them a go in the team i know its a different league an all that but all these teams that plough money in then complain about it ,only have themselve sto blame. What does the future hold for FFP , well until they make an example of a team then unfortunately its gonna carry on the same way ,albeit these teams will come a croper eventually . FFP was a reasonable attempt at reigning in over spending and the potential ruination of clubs by fly by night ownership. But it hit the rocks once vested interests voted against tighter regulation and went the other way (allowing far more leeway and over longer periods - which diluted an already complex system). Add the unexplained non punishment of QPR in to the mix and the revised and much relaxed rules look aneamic to say the least. DH championed much tougher FFP, including real time accounting, but lost (quite heavily). It is against this context that people need to understand the new approach.
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Post by pawsterrier on Feb 4, 2016 0:34:03 GMT 1
"But it hit the rocks once vested interests voted against tighter regulation and went the other way (allowing far more leeway and over longer periods - which diluted an already complex system)." Ditto the banking system in this era of late-period capitalism. Sorry I do simplistic trenchant social commentary at this time of night, but don't moan it's free
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 0:54:33 GMT 1
Add to the mix that the clubs probably have access to, and funding for, expensive QC's to fight their battles...
Meanwhile the FL (not the PL) are left to work out which of the many targets they should try and make an example of with a finite amount of funds that is a fraction of what any one of these clubs can throw at it... They simply don't have the funds to fight what is ultimately nothing more than guidelines as opposed to proper legislation.
Until the PL, the TV deals, the monumental wage structures and agents get reined in nothing will change. Football needs a sharp correction to deter ridiculously wealthy owners who are motivated by vanity, profit or both from investing (or laundering) their money in the British game...
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 4, 2016 3:31:19 GMT 1
fined-forgiven-payout...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 6:41:53 GMT 1
remember when itv digital pulled the plug on their service and the knock on that had? we need something along those lines to happen to sky or bt before anything changes. these companies throw money at top flight football, money which fuels the premier league cartel. the premier league cartel giving parachute payments to maintain their cartel. make parachute payments illegal.... that would be a start. make clubs live by their means instead of bankrolling on greed money.
how about imposing a maximum wage structure for each league? then clubs could budget better.
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Post by ram on Feb 4, 2016 12:32:08 GMT 1
Who is going to impose that? Not the weak-kneed fuckers at the FL.
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Post by htfc63 on Feb 4, 2016 15:27:11 GMT 1
It's a great business model for us to stick by however I have come to the conclusion that it has no teeth and hence teams like QPR will more or less ignore it. Unfortunately money talks and while ever the obscene amounts are poured in from foreign investors and SKY then there will be a big difference between the haves and the have nots.
I would love SKY / Virgin to split out football from the sports package for as soon as they do I would just get the channel showing golf and cricket. Maybe then the legion of foreign players who just come for the money would find employment elsewhere and the England team would be better for it.
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