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Post by wigster on Feb 6, 2016 19:58:10 GMT 1
And part of me is wondering how on earth we lost that - we bossed the game - had more possession, created numerous excellent chances, and like at the John Smiths made Preston look what I think they are - a very limited but organised route-one team that keeps plugging away. Believe me if we had won by 3 or 4 it would not have been unrepresentative.
The rational part of me however knows why we didn't win - we cannot defend properly and we have no clinical finisher - Wells is the nearest but he missed at least two "easy" chances today. It's relatively simple - you cannot give the opposition at least two goals most weeks and expect anything.
The chances? Early in the first half Bunn was through but shot straight at the goalkeeper (we see that a lot don't we Harry) and Lynch sent a pilediver from distance that beat the goalie but hit the crossbar - a superb effort.
In the second half Wells sent two shots straight at the goalkeeper, and one wide, and Paterson shot at the goalkeeper when he should have scored. Bunn missed one and missed a glorious chance to put Wells or Paterson through. Smith had time to pick his spot but shot wide. We're not talking difficult chances here but ones that it would be reasonable to expect capable finishers to score from.
Other observations - I haven't seen Billing before very much but he looked absolute class today - controls the ball instantly, is comfortable with it and makes time for himself, a range of passes - I thought he had a superb game.
Our central defenders generally did well, particularly Cranie in the air and Lynch on the ground.
Negatives - for me. Lolley looked rusty and did very little. Wells - our best finisher by a mile but he does miss them regularly. Paterson - in some matches looks classy and in others lightweight - he disappeared for long stretches today and seems a bit of a luxury. Bunn - how on earth is he picked for every match ? He wastes so much possession. No doubt someone will say that he leads the assists table or something but week in week out he runs into trouble, misses chances and could literally have double the number of assists with a bit more skill. It's all about opinions but he is miles away from being a Championship player. One last gripe - the few times Preston did look dangerous it was from set plays - I think it's true to say that we never created a sniff of anything from our free-kicks.
In conclusion, Wagner has got us playing some lovely stuff and next season we might put teams like Preston to the sword but with this season's squad, if it's not added to, I can see us being pulled into the relegation fight. I think we're gambling on other teams being worse than us.
I think I understand why we didn't strengthen recently but we're taking a risk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 20:04:51 GMT 1
Spot on post.
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Post by royrace on Feb 6, 2016 20:14:30 GMT 1
Pretty much how I saw it, I think you're being a bit harsh on the chances though, we created plenty and eventually scored what should have been the winner. The back four all had decent games and yet we let two soft, late goals in. Defence was the problem today yet again, maybe people will stop blaming Hudson now. I'm not sure what the answer is. I know we looked a class above Preston in every single department today though, just hope these losses don't undermine confidence too much. I've no clue how Grayson has that team of cloggers in mid table. They had no right to a draw today and to get the win was daylight robbery.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 6, 2016 20:16:10 GMT 1
In the absence of Huws it seems that Billing hasn't adversely affected our new style of playing. Would have thought Whitehead would have got a start today but the combination of Whithead and Billing going forward is an exciting prospect. I'd like to see Dempsey given more of a role in an attacking midfield sense. DW seems intent on him being a full back for a while, but I'd much rather see him coming on for the last 20 high up the pitch than most. He has a bit of vim and vigour. Fuck knows what we do about the defence though !
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Post by Fantoolong on Feb 6, 2016 20:25:30 GMT 1
not much to add to the above; why did Lolley not bury the one chance he had instead of trying to bring it over on to his other foot. The Town fans were magnificent, great turnout...Im guessing about 3,000...anyone got the figure. Nahki was the only player who came over at the end to applaud us, he made the gesture of putting his hand beneath his chin, as in "chin up"...but yeah how the hell did we lose that bloody game!!!! Oh one final observation, Elvis had a shot, christ it flew off his foot, he needs giving a real chance .......
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Post by royrace on Feb 6, 2016 20:31:09 GMT 1
In the absence of Huws it seems that Billing hasn't adversely affected our new style of playing. Would have thought Whitehead would have got a start today but the combination of Whithead and Billing going forward is an exciting prospect. I'd like to see Dempsey given more of a role in an attacking midfield sense. DW seems intent on him being a full back for a while, but I'd much rather see him coming on for the last 20 high up the pitch than most. He has a bit of vim and vigour. Fuck knows what we do about the defence though ! Good shout re Dempsey, would have been a better option than matmour imo. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by terrier13 on Feb 6, 2016 20:32:44 GMT 1
Didn't go today but this post could have been for 80% of our losses this season IMO.
We have to be more solid and we have to be more ruthless.
It's a funny one with the defence because it sounds like we let in two soft goals but as a CB you've got to trust the people in front of you to do their job too...
Delighted to hear Billing played well. He was class against Leeds until he went off. Hopefully he'll be our next homegrown star.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 6, 2016 20:41:04 GMT 1
Didn't go today but this post could have been for 80% of our losses this season IMO. We have to be more solid and we have to be more ruthless. It's a funny one with the defence because it sounds like we let in two soft goals but as a CB you've got to trust the people in front of you to do their job too... Delighted to hear Billing played well. He was class against Leeds until he went off. Hopefully he'll be our next homegrown star. Nope one was a massive deflection and one was a decent header which represented one of their only shots on target.
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Post by ranter73 on Feb 6, 2016 20:54:04 GMT 1
Simple facts are if you make defensive mistakes like we do and you don't take your chances you are going to lost to Rubbish like Preston and no doubt struggle against better teams like Wolves, Forest, Derby etc.
Subs were all poor but positives, Billing, Hogg, support and the general way we played but if we don't sort the above, it's going to be another nervy end to the season as others seem to be able to pivk up harder points than we can i.e. Milton Keynes and Blackburn today
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 6, 2016 21:02:52 GMT 1
not much to add to the above; why did Lolley not bury the one chance he had instead of trying to bring it over on to his other foot. The Town fans were magnificent, great turnout...Im guessing about 3,000...anyone got the figure. Nahki was the only player who came over at the end to applaud us, he made the gesture of putting his hand beneath his chin, as in "chin up"...but yeah how the hell did we lose that bloody game!!!! Oh one final observation, Elvis had a shot, christ it flew off his foot, he needs giving a real chance ....... Think the Manu shot might have been going in had it not been blocked, that would really have put the game to bed.
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Post by billy143 on Feb 6, 2016 21:31:51 GMT 1
Hogg and Bunn shouldn't be near the team anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 21:34:11 GMT 1
I'm delighted by all this. Pretty sure everyone would rather us play shite every week and steal the odd win.
It will click sooner rather than later. We're not going down. We are rising agin!
UTT!!
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Post by araucaria on Feb 6, 2016 21:36:15 GMT 1
Hogg and Bunn shouldn't be near the team anymore. I thought that Hogg was excellent today. Won two tackles on the edge of their box late in the game that resulted in a chance for us (it might even have been the goal) that he had no right to win.
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Post by BlueValour on Feb 6, 2016 22:40:25 GMT 1
If four consecutive cup and league defeats is "rising agin" (sic) I should not like to see what sinking might be like!
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Post by sudbury on Feb 6, 2016 23:32:55 GMT 1
I also thought that Dempsey should have come on instead of Matmour - I can't understand what the management see in him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:48:00 GMT 1
I also thought that Dempsey should have come on instead of Matmour - I can't understand what the management see in him. He didn't command a fee and the club could claim a transfer. Early days, but he doesn't look any better in the position where we had so many, that we got rid of one and brought 2 in PR type bollocks.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 6, 2016 23:49:51 GMT 1
Positive matybewe cant lose many more in this sequnce urely Forest dons wolverinenext up We mneda win.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:53:23 GMT 1
Positive matybewe cant lose many more in this sequnce urely Forest dons wolverinenext up We mneda win. As ever Nick, it's impossible to guess whether you're drunk or not.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Feb 6, 2016 23:57:37 GMT 1
Positive matybewe cant lose many more in this sequnce urely Forest dons wolverinenext up We mneda win. As ever Nick, it's impossible to guess whether you're drunk or not. Need a win basicaly, Thats our team g falt to lose when one up...poor.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 0:39:12 GMT 1
Positive matybewe cant lose many more in this sequnce urely Forest dons wolverinenext up We mneda win. Bang on. I think you have hit your head on the nail with that.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 7, 2016 0:40:03 GMT 1
Positive matybewe cant lose many more in this sequnce urely Forest dons wolverinenext up We mneda win. Hard to argue with any of that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 0:43:42 GMT 1
we can't defend a ball put into our box,,simple as that,,,,the only way we can win a game is if we score 3 in the first 20 minutes
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Post by Jiffrtd on Feb 7, 2016 1:02:25 GMT 1
At 79 minutes I thought we could have taken a player off and Preston wouldn't have been a threat. We scored and dropped back ten yards. It's a mental thing, the defence were good until we scored but rabbits in headlights as soon as we went ahead. All in all a great performance where we could have been 2 or 3 up but we need to play the 90 minutes. It was like a mugging!
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Post by Sarcastic Terrier on Feb 7, 2016 1:24:07 GMT 1
And part of me is wondering how on earth we lost that - we bossed the game - had more possession, created numerous excellent chances, and like at the John Smiths made Preston look what I think they are - a very limited but organised route-one team that keeps plugging away. Believe me if we had won by 3 or 4 it would not have been unrepresentative. The rational part of me however knows why we didn't win - we cannot defend properly and we have no clinical finisher - Wells is the nearest but he missed at least two "easy" chances today. It's relatively simple - you cannot give the opposition at least two goals most weeks and expect anything. The chances? Early in the first half Bunn was through but shot straight at the goalkeeper (we see that a lot don't we Harry) and Lynch sent a pilediver from distance that beat the goalie but hit the crossbar - a superb effort. In the second half Wells sent two shots straight at the goalkeeper, and one wide, and Paterson shot at the goalkeeper when he should have scored. Bunn missed one and missed a glorious chance to put Wells or Paterson through. Smith had time to pick his spot but shot wide. We're not talking difficult chances here but ones that it would be reasonable to expect capable finishers to score from. Other observations - I haven't seen Billing before very much but he looked absolute class today - controls the ball instantly, is comfortable with it and makes time for himself, a range of passes - I thought he had a superb game. Our central defenders generally did well, particularly Cranie in the air and Lynch on the ground. Negatives - for me. Lolley looked rusty and did very little. Wells - our best finisher by a mile but he does miss them regularly. Paterson - in some matches looks classy and in others lightweight - he disappeared for long stretches today and seems a bit of a luxury. Bunn - how on earth is he picked for every match ? He wastes so much possession. No doubt someone will say that he leads the assists table or something but week in week out he runs into trouble, misses chances and could literally have double the number of assists with a bit more skill. It's all about opinions but he is miles away from being a Championship player. One last gripe - the few times Preston did look dangerous it was from set plays - I think it's true to say that we never created a sniff of anything from our free-kicks. In conclusion, Wagner has got us playing some lovely stuff and next season we might put teams like Preston to the sword but with this season's squad, if it's not added to, I can see us being pulled into the relegation fight. I think we're gambling on other teams being worse than us. I think I understand why we didn't strengthen recently but we're taking a risk. Ive highlighted a couple of points you've made from a really good post. I know many people will state the obvious, but Wells is a greedy bugged within a sight of goal, to such an extent that last week he contributed his first assist this season. Conversely Bunn has the most assists of any player in the division. Whats my point, well I'm starting to wonder whether Wells is our managers type of player. In that when you play a high level pressing game, with lots of possession and passing you are looking for many of your team to be chipping in with the goals. When you have 1 player that only shoots and never passes then all your good work can, at times, go to waste. I was reading that Wagner used to view himself as more of a goal creator than scorer and he was a striker. Maybe Wagner would prefer a similar striker to himself, one that helps the team score more goals than being only interested in scoring for himself and nothing else, (a bit like how I view Nahki). I know that when we concede it's easy to point to the defence, but if we create 3 or 4 great chances and don't score, all we are doing is putting pressure on our defenders.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 7, 2016 1:30:05 GMT 1
And part of me is wondering how on earth we lost that - we bossed the game - had more possession, created numerous excellent chances, and like at the John Smiths made Preston look what I think they are - a very limited but organised route-one team that keeps plugging away. Believe me if we had won by 3 or 4 it would not have been unrepresentative. The rational part of me however knows why we didn't win - we cannot defend properly and we have no clinical finisher - Wells is the nearest but he missed at least two "easy" chances today. It's relatively simple - you cannot give the opposition at least two goals most weeks and expect anything. The chances? Early in the first half Bunn was through but shot straight at the goalkeeper (we see that a lot don't we Harry) and Lynch sent a pilediver from distance that beat the goalie but hit the crossbar - a superb effort. In the second half Wells sent two shots straight at the goalkeeper, and one wide, and Paterson shot at the goalkeeper when he should have scored. Bunn missed one and missed a glorious chance to put Wells or Paterson through. Smith had time to pick his spot but shot wide. We're not talking difficult chances here but ones that it would be reasonable to expect capable finishers to score from. Other observations - I haven't seen Billing before very much but he looked absolute class today - controls the ball instantly, is comfortable with it and makes time for himself, a range of passes - I thought he had a superb game. Our central defenders generally did well, particularly Cranie in the air and Lynch on the ground. Negatives - for me. Lolley looked rusty and did very little. Wells - our best finisher by a mile but he does miss them regularly. Paterson - in some matches looks classy and in others lightweight - he disappeared for long stretches today and seems a bit of a luxury. Bunn - how on earth is he picked for every match ? He wastes so much possession. No doubt someone will say that he leads the assists table or something but week in week out he runs into trouble, misses chances and could literally have double the number of assists with a bit more skill. It's all about opinions but he is miles away from being a Championship player. One last gripe - the few times Preston did look dangerous it was from set plays - I think it's true to say that we never created a sniff of anything from our free-kicks. In conclusion, Wagner has got us playing some lovely stuff and next season we might put teams like Preston to the sword but with this season's squad, if it's not added to, I can see us being pulled into the relegation fight. I think we're gambling on other teams being worse than us. I think I understand why we didn't strengthen recently but we're taking a risk. Ive highlighted a couple of points you've made from a really good post. I know many people will state the obvious, but Wells is a greedy bugged within a sight of goal, to such an extent that last week he contributed his first assist this season. Conversely Bunn has the most assists of any player in the division. Whats my point, well I'm starting to wonder whether Wells is our managers type of player. In that when you play a high level pressing game, with lots of possession and passing you are looking for many of your team to be chipping in with the goals. When you have 1 player that only shoots and never passes then all your good work can, at times, go to waste. I was reading that Wagner used to view himself as more of a goal creator than scorer and he was a striker. Maybe Wagner would prefer a similar striker to himself, one that helps the team score more goals than being only interested in scoring for himself and nothing else, (a bit like how I view Nahki). I know that when we concede it's easy to point to the defence, but if we create 3 or 4 great chances and don't score, all we are doing is putting pressure on our defenders. Think what you are expressing is something about decision making. Needs to make the right decision at the right time. Its no good saying well I'm the striker so I'm going to have a bang, when someone is in a better position that you. Tbf to Nahki - he laid on a goal for Lolley at ... Brentford I think.
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Post by Sarcastic Terrier on Feb 7, 2016 1:36:52 GMT 1
I could only find 1 assist across various stat sites, but they and I may be wrong. Either way I do get frustrated with him when he has a dig over passing to what I see as a better placed team mate.
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Post by faffa on Feb 7, 2016 2:27:00 GMT 1
Let's not forget and I know people won't, the results improved with Whitehead managing the games, when he comes back fit I feel the results will improve, experienced heads needed, Hudson back too. Good to hear Billing played well, he will have his off games as he is young but Huws will comeback eager to push for a place in the Welsh squad. All positives.
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Post by detox on Feb 7, 2016 3:48:31 GMT 1
Didn't go today but this post could have been for 80% of our losses this season IMO. We have to be more solid and we have to be more ruthless. It's a funny one with the defence because it sounds like we let in two soft goals but as a CB you've got to trust the people in front of you to do their job too... Delighted to hear Billing played well. He was class against Leeds until he went off. Hopefully he'll be our next homegrown star. Nope one was a massive deflection and one was a decent header which represented one of their only shots on target. what does 'one of their only shots on target' mean exactly ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 11:02:25 GMT 1
I also thought that Dempsey should have come on instead of Matmour - I can't understand what the management see in him. He didn't command a fee and the club could claim a transfer. Early days, but he doesn't look any better in the position where we had so many, that we got rid of one and brought 2 in PR type bollocks. Just checking, you've never seen him play, have you?
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 7, 2016 12:21:54 GMT 1
I could only find 1 assist across various stat sites, but they and I may be wrong. Either way I do get frustrated with him when he has a dig over passing to what I see as a better placed team mate. Fuck knows how Bunn has assists to his name, he's far greedier then Wells and a worse finisher. He can't pass and never looks up Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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