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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 22:28:24 GMT 1
We gained promotion because Ched Evans got sent down. If he'd have stayed out of prison and played for the Blades then they would have walked second place keeping Wednesday in the playoffs who were by far the form team and playing really well and in my opinion would've walked the playoffs. Clark brought some very good players to town and made us quite a bit of profit with the selling them on. Also he brought a professionalism to the club that had never been there before and took us on to a whole new level with his and the coaching staffs experience, knowledge and know how within the top level off the game and were backed by Hoyles money. Or maybe Wednesday would have choked. Bit like we did the previous season having finished 3rd by some way? he signed some good players and yes he actually made money overall thanks to Rhodes. but the good players were massively outnumbered by the duff ones and most of those duff ones were either a lot of money, on big wages or both. Fire enough bullets you're bound to hit something. I didn't get this professionalism thing. I saw a manager who seemed panic struck in interviews, vindictive against some players. Occasionally out of control on the touchline. Creaming himself on the radio when linked to another club. His answer to any problem was to bring in new players. Compare him to Wagner who has IMPROVED the players he has with coaching. And what was this whole new level? Spending a fortune like the club has never seen and still failing to go up from the third division? Suppose that was new. he had one target to achieve and every help he could get to achieve it from his chairman and given lots of time, and he failed. He went to Birmingham and failed. he went to blackpool and failed and he''ll fail at Kilmarnock. hes like the direct opposite of a 'good manager'. I couldn't have put all of this any better...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 22:29:02 GMT 1
Such nonsense that the phrase "fhanged the ethos " is the least nonsense bit haha
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 11, 2016 23:21:24 GMT 1
Changed the ethos.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 11, 2016 23:46:34 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 11, 2016 23:58:42 GMT 1
Or maybe Wednesday would have choked. Bit like we did the previous season having finished 3rd by some way? he signed some good players and yes he actually made money overall thanks to Rhodes. but the good players were massively outnumbered by the duff ones and most of those duff ones were either a lot of money, on big wages or both. Fire enough bullets you're bound to hit something. I didn't get this professionalism thing. I saw a manager who seemed panic struck in interviews, vindictive against some players. Occasionally out of control on the touchline. Creaming himself on the radio when linked to another club. His answer to any problem was to bring in new players. Compare him to Wagner who has IMPROVED the players he has with coaching. And what was this whole new level? Spending a fortune like the club has never seen and still failing to go up from the third division? Suppose that was new. he had one target to achieve and every help he could get to achieve it from his chairman and given lots of time, and he failed. He went to Birmingham and failed. he went to blackpool and failed and he''ll fail at Kilmarnock. hes like the direct opposite of a 'good manager'. Like Wednesday choked by outdoing their biggest rivals to automatic promotion? ?? Lots of clubs choke in play offs after having been close to automatic and finishing the regular season strongly. If Evans hadn't been unavailable then maybe youre right and Sheff utd would have gone up and wednesday would have finished 3rd. You can't say for definite that wednesday would have won the play offs- history shows it doesn't work like that a lot of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 7:14:22 GMT 1
Lee Clark could have been a great manager. His main downfall was that after getting bullied by Millwall he completely changed how he set up his team. We were great that first season under him, arguably as good as we are under Wagner, but he bottled it after that Millwall play off second leg and from then on we were defensive and boring. It seemed like that 1 game changed the way he thought about the whole game and instead of taking the game to teams he spent a year and a half worrying more about the opposition than he did about his own players.
All that team needed was to add a bit off experience to hold and put their foot in to all the young players to bomb on and play their game but instead Clark went completely against his philosophy and brought in too many cautious players when really it just needed one or two.
Could have been great, but his lack of trust in his original philosophy that worked so well has let him down. Instead of being a Wagner always trying to win he's a Robins/Powell who tries to make sure he doesn't lose.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 12, 2016 7:23:36 GMT 1
He made mistakes as they all do.
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Post by detox on Apr 12, 2016 8:50:43 GMT 1
Lee Clark could have been a great manager. His main downfall was that after getting bullied by Millwall he completely changed how he set up his team. We were great that first season under him, arguably as good as we are under Wagner, but he bottled it after that Millwall play off second leg and from then on we were defensive and boring. It seemed like that 1 game changed the way he thought about the whole game and instead of taking the game to teams he spent a year and a half worrying more about the opposition than he did about his own players. All that team needed was to add a bit off experience to hold and put their foot in to all the young players to bomb on and play their game but instead Clark went completely against his philosophy and brought in too many cautious players when really it just needed one or two. Could have been great, but his lack of trust in his original philosophy that worked so well has let him down. Instead of being a Wagner always trying to win he's a Robins/Powell who tries to make sure he doesn't lose. and the 'irony' was he was sacked after 30 games in which we lost just 3 games and averaged 1.83 points per game, and 4th in the table - Grayson came in lost 4 of the next 16 games, averaged 1.63points per game and we finished....4th . yes I agree the football was dire and boring and he may well have bottled it again in the play offs..but you can't say he wasn't effective. Having said that, I'll admit to stopping going down to watch Town during this period because it was just so awful..
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 13, 2016 16:49:14 GMT 1
Lee Clark could have been a great manager. His main downfall was that after getting bullied by Millwall he completely changed how he set up his team. We were great that first season under him, arguably as good as we are under Wagner, but he bottled it after that Millwall play off second leg and from then on we were defensive and boring. It seemed like that 1 game changed the way he thought about the whole game and instead of taking the game to teams he spent a year and a half worrying more about the opposition than he did about his own players. All that team needed was to add a bit off experience to hold and put their foot in to all the young players to bomb on and play their game but instead Clark went completely against his philosophy and brought in too many cautious players when really it just needed one or two. Could have been great, but his lack of trust in his original philosophy that worked so well has let him down. Instead of being a Wagner always trying to win he's a Robins/Powell who tries to make sure he doesn't lose. and the 'irony' was he was sacked after 30 games in which we lost just 3 games and averaged 1.83 points per game, and 4th in the table - Grayson came in lost 4 of the next 16 games, averaged 1.63points per game and we finished....4th . yes I agree the football was dire and boring and he may well have bottled it again in the play offs..but you can't say he wasn't effective. Having said that, I'll admit to stopping going down to watch Town during this period because it was just so awful.. S I agree , shocking to watch under thimon.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Apr 13, 2016 17:20:23 GMT 1
and the 'irony' was he was sacked after 30 games in which we lost just 3 games and averaged 1.83 points per game, and 4th in the table - Grayson came in lost 4 of the next 16 games, averaged 1.63points per game and we finished....4th . yes I agree the football was dire and boring and he may well have bottled it again in the play offs..but you can't say he wasn't effective. Having said that, I'll admit to stopping going down to watch Town during this period because it was just so awful.. S I agree , shocking to watch under thimon. He still managed what your Muppet couldn't whichever way you look at it,
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 13, 2016 17:22:28 GMT 1
Nick "it's disgraceful how you all disrespect Lee Clark #
Nick "awful to watch under THIMON
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 17:24:42 GMT 1
He could have been called Lee Scribe in an earlier era......
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 13, 2016 17:26:34 GMT 1
S I agree , shocking to watch under thimon. He still managed what your Muppet couldn't whichever way you look at it, He isnt " my Muppet " as you assert, Clarky did nearly all the work though didnt he and we won on pennys at Wembley. Grayson didnt have much to do Dalton.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Apr 13, 2016 17:28:58 GMT 1
He still managed what your Muppet couldn't whichever way you look at it, He isnt " my Muppet " as you assert, Clarky did nearly all the work though didnt he and we won on pennys at Wembley. Grayson didnt have much to do Dalton. He did what he was paid to do, get us up. Which again I repeat Clark couldn't. And wouldn't have done even now.
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Post by shawsie on Apr 14, 2016 7:38:10 GMT 1
I will always look back on clarks time quite fondly.....he massively raised the profile of the club, brought in some players we made millions on subsequently and early on we played great football....but ultimately he failed. Time to move on - ive never understood some of the vitriol aimed at him but hey ho such is life i suppose.
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 14, 2016 7:54:49 GMT 1
Despite the 43 match unbeaten (beaten) run, my abiding memory of Lee Clark was getting caught by Sky TV cameras during one of the play offs snotting on the touchline. Unfortunately it was one of those long snots that doesn't come away clean and hung from his nose for a second or two, before attaching itself to his finger - him madly trying to shake it off. It made the wife boke anyway.
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Post by midlander on Apr 14, 2016 8:15:18 GMT 1
I will always look back on clarks time quite fondly.....he massively raised the profile of the club, brought in some players we made millions on subsequently and early on we played great football....but ultimately he failed. Time to move on - ive never understood some of the vitriol aimed at him but hey ho such is life i suppose. It's pretty standard though on here Shawsie. Only polarised opinions are allowed. Anything to do with Town is either crap or amazing and there is little chance for anything inbetween. I enjoyed most of Clark's tenure and he brought a lot of good things to the club and helped to raise the profile enormously - although Dean's chequebook helped too. He was neither a shocking nor amazing manager for us. Was found out at times - Millwall in his first season was a sobering experience; was unlucky at times - the Brighton/Southampton season; little things went against us - Ward hitting bar at OT when we were on top against P'boro. Coaching-wise, he and his team helped to develop some players very well and we made some big money on some players. On the other hand, he was too reliant on solving issues by throwing more money at it (but that's not just him - if the Chairman allows it, then he has to share some of the blame for allowing that culture too) and he seemed to be getting less in control of his own emotions as time went on. People belittle our unbeaten 'league-game' run as if it were something negative - yes, we drew some games which we should have maybe won with the players we had, but for any team to go 43 games in the league without defeat shows an amazing unity and desire to not get beaten. I doubt we'll ever see that feat repeated and whilst Clark ultimately failed with his brief, there were lots of things to like about his time here and he was certainly instrumental in raising our profile.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 14, 2016 17:15:39 GMT 1
I will always look back on clarks time quite fondly.....he massively raised the profile of the club, brought in some players we made millions on subsequently and early on we played great football....but ultimately he failed. Time to move on - ive never understood some of the vitriol aimed at him but hey ho such is life i suppose. It's pretty standard though on here Shawsie. Only polarised opinions are allowed. Anything to do with Town is either crap or amazing and there is little chance for anything inbetween. I enjoyed most of Clark's tenure and he brought a lot of good things to the club and helped to raise the profile enormously - although Dean's chequebook helped too. He was neither a shocking nor amazing manager for us. Was found out at times - Millwall in his first season was a sobering experience; was unlucky at times - the Brighton/Southampton season; little things went against us - Ward hitting bar at OT when we were on top against P'boro. Coaching-wise, he and his team helped to develop some players very well and we made some big money on some players. On the other hand, he was too reliant on solving issues by throwing more money at it (but that's not just him - if the Chairman allows it, then he has to share some of the blame for allowing that culture too) and he seemed to be getting less in control of his own emotions as time went on. People belittle our unbeaten 'league-game' run as if it were something negative - yes, we drew some games which we should have maybe won with the players we had, but for any team to go 43 games in the league without defeat shows an amazing unity and desire to not get beaten. I doubt we'll ever see that feat repeated and whilst Clark ultimately failed with his brief, there were lots of things to like about his time here and he was certainly instrumental in raising our profile. Great post.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Apr 14, 2016 17:45:44 GMT 1
Remember at the time that disloyalty to the club was a major factor in Clark's dismissal. It was mentioned at the time that Hoyle dismissed him " via text message " straight after towns home defeat to Sheffield United Also remember Clark being a guest of Dan Walker on football focus soon after , and he admitted that he had applied for other managerial jobs after being asked the question by Dan Walker . He got plenty of sympathy from fellow guest Mark Lawrenson who stated that it wasn't Lee Clark's fault that he was so popular. Clark actually made the club a profit from all his signings, and did not think Vardy was good enough to fit into his Huddersfield side. Often wonder if a Vardy /Rhodes partnership might have worked for town had it been made possible. He didn't fire him via text .. and he got sacked because town had run out of puff and Clark had run out-of ideas .. his duplicitace skulduggery would have been put on the back burner if we had been top of the league What exactly did Dean Hoyle tell you Ted.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 14, 2016 18:10:24 GMT 1
Spill the beans Ted ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 18:19:41 GMT 1
I always thought Clark said he was sacked over a 2 min telephone conversation and later Dean said he wasn't the one who hung up the phone. (on the dvd from the promotion season). I cant remember anything about any texts.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 14, 2016 19:53:02 GMT 1
He didn't fire him via text .. and he got sacked because town had run out of puff and Clark had run out-of ideas .. his duplicitace skulduggery would have been put on the back burner if we had been top of the league What exactly did Dean Hoyle tell you Ted. Are you referring to sacking by text ? That didn't happen he was sacked verbally
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 17:03:07 GMT 1
He also said 'even if we had beaten Sheffield United difficult as it would be he would still have been sacked'.
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Post by raggytash on Apr 27, 2016 22:06:59 GMT 1
Been away for a weeks holiday, come back on datm, what do I find? Another 13 page thread on fucking Lee Clark. Back to travel agents I think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 22:36:15 GMT 1
I'm new to Huddersfield Town. Just who is this Lee Clark character? Is he important?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 7:26:21 GMT 1
I'm new to Huddersfield Town. Just who is this Lee Clark character? Is he important? By many on here, he appears to be something more fondly remembered through the eyes of nostalgia, than the actually reality of the situation at the time. A bit like rickets
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 28, 2016 8:06:21 GMT 1
I'm new to Huddersfield Town. Just who is this Lee Clark character? Is he important? Very, are u on wind up. Big part of recent History when we played some amazing football and set the record league unbeaten record mate. He made a mess of the play off final at Old trafford when he played one lad upfront.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Apr 28, 2016 8:08:01 GMT 1
I'm new to Huddersfield Town. Just who is this Lee Clark character? Is he important? Very, are u on wind up. Big part of recent History when we played some amazing football and set the record league unbeaten record mate. He made a mess of the play off final at Old trafford when he played one lad upfront.
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