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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 14:12:15 GMT 1
If we finish above 21st place I think we will stay up. We’re also likely to stay up if we finish above 22nd place
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 14:06:28 GMT 1
I thought Stankovic looked absolute class today. He seems to be getting stronger physically. His control and passing (long, short, on the deck and aerially) are exceptional and I haven’t seen a centre back at Championship level anywhere near that standard. More time with the Cowleys and an injury free spell would make him a great asset.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 14:00:37 GMT 1
The PL seems a lifetime ago and to be honest it's an utter disgrace given that we spent two years in the PL that we're at stage only months aftee being there that we've had to field a makeshift team and a bench made up of rookies. Our 1st season: Swansea and West Brom down. Our 2nd season : Fulham down after one season. Look at those three now, consolidated and chasing a top flight return. Absolute calamity for us that 2nd season in the PL, apart arguably from getting Grant in. Financial mismanagement and dereliction of duty of the highest order. I notice you haven’t made mention of the other side relegated in our first season.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 13:57:37 GMT 1
Must be then as I thought he looked pretty average, bottled it a couple of times when he should have been putting his foot in but crossed for Kachunga shocking miss. I think you are close to the mark here. He did provide too wonderful assists which should have led to goals but his lack of physicality at this level is concerning. Nowhere near strong enough to win 50:50 or even 60:40 balls but worked very hard and did some decent defensive work down our left flank.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 13:34:07 GMT 1
Re the bench at the end harratt went over to the bottom corner of the kilner where (I guess) his family came down to barrier to give him a hug. The lad had just made his debut (I believe two years back Barnsley released him) and you could tell the family and harratt where full of pride. It probably meant the world to all of them The background to this were players who were clearly gutted to have lost - as said before kachunga looked close to tears, many others on there backs with there head in their hands There are morons on the books but yesterday those lads on the pitch gave everything they had Very interesting that Cowleys selected both Mounie & Flo - suggests that their attitude is not in question. Also interesting that Reece Brown didn't even make the bench - and never does. I think you make a good point here. I don’t think anyone could question the attitude of Flo or Mounié yesterday even if they were far from perfect in all they did footballing-wise. It makes me wonder what the fuck we were doing in summer signing players like Bockhorn and Reece Brown if they can’t make the bench yesterday.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 12:49:48 GMT 1
passed an all white double decker bus on the m1 around nottingham full of 'em thames valley whites it said on the front I passed Cheshire Whites on M6. What the fuck - Cheshire Fucking Whites. Gave em a load of Vs. Interestingly, the 3 Leeds fans I know who I would consider as friends are from Richmond (N Yorks) Huddersfield and Cradley Heath (Black Country).
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 11:05:05 GMT 1
Reflecting on the game, I am very proud of the performance yesterday. Despite the decimation of the team due to injuries, suspension and ‘unavailability’, everyone gave their all for the team. On another day, with the chances made, we get a much better result. Leeds scored a wonder goal which could hardly be described as a chance and a good team goal for the second but made few clear chances. We missed some sitters. What a shame that Grant had a stinker yesterday. One or two of our players yesterday found the physicality of the Championship but still played a part (eg Koroma who set up two great chances) but there were two standout performances for me - Stankovic who looked every inch a Premier League player (probably won’t make it due to lack of pace) with great control, effortlessly out-muscling Leeds players and passing beautifully and the only reason he wasn’t MoM being a terrific performance from Bacuna who is premier league standard, has good feet superb delivery from set paces and a confidence that scares teams. The Cowley’s sent out a message to the owners yesterday regarding the January transfer window - let us hope the club listen.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 3, 2019 18:47:57 GMT 1
I know I keep banging on about referees but they are shite. Saturday Gavin Ward. Cardiff v Barnsley get PL Tierney who I actually rate as quite decent. Who picks these fuckin refs is it a machine? Gavin Ward is a bit of a shocker. Expect one or two ludicrous decisions though they may go for us or against us.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 3, 2019 18:46:13 GMT 1
We haven't played anyone in a while. November is a different animal @brentford @preston Birmingham Swansea @bristol city 5 points is not failure 6 points from home wins would be ok 7 points would be a really good return. Can't see 9 points from these 5 fixtures Me neither, I get 10.. WDWWL Is that based on 6 points for a win and 2 for a draw?
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 3, 2019 18:41:06 GMT 1
I agree mainly but Pritchard is the only player we have that offers any creative ability. In 9 games this season he has zero assists. Because no fucker puts away the gifts he offers.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 3, 2019 17:31:51 GMT 1
Hogg needs 3 bookings or fewer in the next 18 games to avoid a 2 game ban. Not going to happen I’m afraid.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 3, 2019 17:28:59 GMT 1
At the start of tonight's game the commentator said the PNE team cost 2.8 million in total. You can see the effort and desire in every single player. Why did we waste so much money on players on much higher wages who haven't got half the effort or desire? What happened to our statement under DW saying that we carefully profiled each player we were interested in and if they didn't meet our psychological profile and didn't have Terrier spirit then we wouldn't be buying then? Did those involved in recruitng and buying get drunk on PL hype? We had a great philosophy then seemed to abandon it once we got to the PL It isn’t sensible comparing an ex Prem team with a never Prem team. Our record signing until the prem was Schindler and our 2017 squad cost about the same and had a lower wage structure than PNE at the time. Once you get into the prem, everyone knows what the money is like and you have to shell out big bucks. However, a more sophisticated buying strategy (eg Burnley who have shelled out some big fees but better buys) would have served us better in the long term.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 1, 2019 22:20:38 GMT 1
Wonder if people have changed their views a little since this post was first started. Despite only 2 defeats in 10, we’re further From the play-offs. It might be sensible for some posters to look back at the clownish things they wrote at the time and reflect upon the reality of the season we are actually in the middle of as opposed to the fantasy of us getting 60 more points and making the playoffs. We are, and always were, and will be for a long time yet, in a relegation battle. The good news is that we have a great management team.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 23:26:17 GMT 1
Joel Lynch scored a screamer against Charlton back in 2013 Mooy's winner at Elland Road is another That Lynch goal. Discussion ends. Yes - if it’s to be a long range rather than team goal, it’s Lynch’s 35 yard+ thunderbolt.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 23:14:09 GMT 1
Nonsense.. He was totally found out in the third division. Which is still two divisions below the division Billing plays in How many kids did you go to school with who had talent? Kids who never made it? There were three in my year who could easily have been pro. I am pally with 4 brothers from Manchester who never played above local leagues yet I once saw them destroy Stockport Countys first team in a friendly. Some over-achieve....some under. Laverick had talent....Hart had zero. Both in the same team though. I mentioned on here a couple of weeks back that Brian Stanton should have played much higher up the leagues....that's the rub. Fine margins. Stanton career earnings £50k...Oscar Gobern £2 million. I coached a really good U-13 side in North London over 30 years ago. Several players made it professionally in the lower divisions but one guy made it to the Premier League. You would never have thought it at that age. He was a gangly and slightly awkward striker and never looked remotely like someone who’d reach any kind of professional level. His name...Michael Duberry.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 17:38:48 GMT 1
It is similar and you can see the initial sparks within the squad of what he wants to do. I just think that we may be hamstrung by our situation somewhat in transitioning from an EPL club to a Championship one, and we’re going to really struggle to bring in the five or six players we need assuming we can get shut of all those who need to go for various reasons (at least one or two of which will effectively create a need to increase that “five or six” assumedly if they are players who have played any kind of part this season). Remember, we have had to play Mounie, Kongolo and Flo....they can’t just disappear and we expect to soak up the demand with players who we’ve decided are already below them in the pecking order, unless we want next season to be anything other than another relegation battle (assuming we stay up). Plus a keeper or possibly two required on top. It's not similar in the fact that Cowleys inherited far better players than Wagner. These players should be competing for promotion. Simple as. They underachieved hunoungously under the previous coach. Not so sure. Smith v Flo? Wells v Grant? Hogg v Hogg? Huws v Chalobah? Scannell v Kachunga? Vaughan v Campbell? Oh yeah- Davidson v Brown!!
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 17:25:28 GMT 1
We desperately need proper full-backs playing. This will be a real test against one of the 2 sides who have serious quality and who should be contesting the automatic promotion spots (and would be if they had a decent manager). Consecutive 4-0 batterings there don’t bode well. Having as many defenders and midfielders in correct positions will help. I wonder if we can keep our record as the only side in the Championship who have scored in every away game
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 17:19:06 GMT 1
The number 7 on Saturday single handedly stopped a large number of our breaks with 'professional fouls'. He affected the game just as much as the 2 goal scorers and never got booked. Because they were all up the pitch they are seen differently??? I am not looking for town to join in, I am looking for a foul that is nowhere near the ball to be dealt with by yellow card everytime. If there is obviously not even an attempt(they are piss easy to see) to play the ball then it's a card. I agree with this - classic Man City tactic to stop quick breaks. Refs tend to be much more reluctant to get the cards out when it is 60/70 yards from goal but Brum did that several times and never got a card. (The player you are referring to is Crowley.)
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Pritchard
Nov 27, 2019 17:15:07 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 17:15:07 GMT 1
I think that if you asked supporters of other clubs, they would disagree. Most would say "who ?" I spoke to a PNE fan I know after the game there a few weeks ago. Verbatim, he said “Once Pritchard came on your lot looked a much more threatening side and I was getting worried after you scored. He was different class to any other player on the pitch, our lads included”
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Nov 27, 2019 17:11:54 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 17:11:54 GMT 1
Disappointing in comparison to what? Kongolo? Mbenza? Diakhaby? All of them cost comparable amounts. None of em have set the world alight and at least two have a worse attitude. Kongolo was absolutely superb and arguably our player of the season when he signed on loan. Are you trying to tell me you was disappointed when we signed him permanently? Ok I admit hes struggled this season, possibly as a result of playing out of position and injuries. I dont think his attitude is in question though. I've certainly heard nothing to the contrary. Anyway what kind of whataboutery is this anyway? Its a Pritchard thread. Im not comparing him to other signings merely saying for the fee and the expectation hes been a very disappointing signing. Kongolo was superb when he signed - we had about 3 good months from him. He was mediocre or poor last season and has been shocking this season.
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Nov 27, 2019 14:35:39 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 14:35:39 GMT 1
I’m not comparing. I’m trying to explain to your uncomprehending brain that some of Pritchard’s stats look worse cos he’s playing in the same team as footballers way below his ability level. No need to be a dick. Yes his 2 crosses were superb last week and should have been finished. Yes Pritchard played ok over the last 2 games. I expected more than ok from Pritchard but I have come to terms with the fact he is just ok. I wasn’t trying to be a dick. I didn’t think you understood some of my posts and what I was referring to. Pritchard has been far better than OK for the last two games. His intelligent play, exceptional awareness and ball control are not always appreciated by the crowd or some on here but the players know who is quality - ask Hogg if you don’t believe me.
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Nov 27, 2019 14:21:32 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 14:21:32 GMT 1
I’m not comparing. I’m trying to explain to your uncomprehending brain that some of Pritchard’s stats look worse cos he’s playing in the same team as footballers way below his ability level. We don't have many below his ability level. He's one of the most overrated signings we've made. Yeah - loads of our other players are wanted by Prem clubs.
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Nov 27, 2019 14:19:45 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 14:19:45 GMT 1
Agreed, absolutely ridiculous stats. If Pritchard's stats before the Cowley revolution are included that should be reflected in the stats of all the squad. Pritchard's comeback game was Preston, introduced in the 65th minute at three nil down. Result 3-1. Yet to finish on the losing side he's started under the Cowley's. Ridiculous Coddington. Posting actual facts rather than ‘alternative facts’ or biased self opinionated nonsense. It’ll never get you anywhere. We live in the world of Johnson, Trump and Putin here on DATM.
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Nov 27, 2019 14:17:10 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 14:17:10 GMT 1
There are so many premiership quality midfielders just queueing up to join us, so let's get rid. Why do they need to be Premiership quality to replace him when he isn't Premiership quality himself On current form he's not in top 20 midfielders in this league I think that if you asked supporters of other clubs, they would disagree.
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Nov 27, 2019 14:15:55 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 14:15:55 GMT 1
You clearly have little understanding of what a quality Championship midfielder looks like. Sorry Mrs Pritchard. It seems I'm not the only one that doesn't rate him. He's soft, a midget and has very little end product.. When you factor in what he's cost us he's been a very disappointing signing Disappointing in comparison to what? Kongolo? Mbenza? Diakhaby? All of them cost comparable amounts. None of em have set the world alight and at least two have a worse attitude.
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Nov 27, 2019 14:13:46 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 14:13:46 GMT 1
Yeah, right. He nearly had 2 assists on Saturday but Kachunga missed a couple of sitters. To make it fair, if you are comparing, let’s base it on stats. Player 1 44 Premier League games 3 goals 1 assist 9 Championship games 0 goals 0 assists Player 2 30 Premier League games 1 goal 2 assists 12 Championship games 1 goal 2 assists Not much in it really. Just £11 million v £1 million. I’m not comparing. I’m trying to explain to your uncomprehending brain that some of Pritchard’s stats look worse cos he’s playing in the same team as footballers way below his ability level.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 14:10:23 GMT 1
Yeah, right. He nearly had 2 assists on Saturday but Kachunga missed a couple of sitters. Chalobah got sent off. Grabara dropped a bollock v Millwall. Steve Gerrard slipped and Liverpool lost the title. But this is the Pritchard thread. I know. I was referring to Pritchard’s brilliant crosses which would have both led to goals had a competent person been on the receiving end. It’s no wonder the stats don’t favour Pritchard when someone misses easy chances. He was easily our best player on Saturday and we became increasingly ragged without him.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 7:47:52 GMT 1
As I said to my mate last night, he is a nearly man. Every time he ‘did’ something, he nearly did it. He nearly scored, he nearly put a good ball in, he nearly took the man on, he nearly played a great ball. He showed some good touches but that’s about it. He looks like he could be dangerous but I’ve been saying that for a couple of years now. When does the time come that we realise this is it, there isn’t a magical player somewhere inside, we have seen his maximum potential? Which is fine, he is still an ok player, but came here overhyped. Yeah, right. He nearly had 2 assists on Saturday but Kachunga missed a couple of sitters.
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Nov 27, 2019 7:46:28 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 27, 2019 7:46:28 GMT 1
I thought hes been as disappointing as usual. Spends most of his time on the floor. Try standing up once in a while and you might get the shot/cross off You clearly have little understanding of what a quality Championship midfielder looks like.
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Post by hypotenuse on Nov 26, 2019 23:05:49 GMT 1
No confidence we’re playing better football with Stankovic at centre half. Passes it confidently out of the back four and has us playing through the lines. Not sure what you mean here: Did you mean “no coincidence we’re...”
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