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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 15:07:43 GMT 1
Get promoted and stay up without making massive changes. If Bradford had somehow managed to go up this year and not make any massive changes, they would get absolutely spanked all over by every team in this league next year. They were absolutely woeful in every way. You only have to look at some of the players that have come through our doors since going up that we've merely just survived (ok this year perhaps not true reflection of our ability) to see that unless you invest quite considerably you're off straight back down. MK tried it this year, and it did a lot of good for them. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 23, 2016 15:13:46 GMT 1
Heard half a story on this awhile back. It's not really a "consortium" as such, the money comes from the one German, who purportedly has funds of £100m (less than Hoyle, and obviously this won't all be liquid or accessible or even intended to be part of potential 'investment' in Bradford). He will stay in Germany and has no interest or background in football. Fronting the team in the UK will be a BOSNIAN (papers will still call this a German consortium), who has knowledge of football business admin through a brief (1 year) period as a scout plus he had a role I can't remember at a German football club. Will be an interesting one to watch...as things stand with a playing budget of circa £3m Bradford would disappear like Yeovil should they get promoted, losing to Millwall is probably the best thing that could happen to them in context of this takeover, whilst they remain at a level where ~£1m keystone investment could actually make a difference. Probably the club that Cellino should have bought. I thought it sounded dodge as soon as i heard it. Why would a group of german footballing men rolling in it invest in english football never mind Bradford. Some looney arabs, russians etc investing in an english side as there little play toy maybe. Im looking forward to seeing how this one unfolds as they genuinely think there the next man city judging by the forum ffs. they might be the 'looney Germans' and whilst high on saurkraut and strong lager, think they have bought 'Bradford City' in total and not Bradford City football club??? 6 million seems a bit on the high side to buy the whole of Bradford in hindsight.. when sober and not breaking wind they will turn up at the Town hall and be disappointed twice very badly in a few minutes. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on May 23, 2016 17:28:52 GMT 1
I would be very suprised if these foreign investors have a lot of cash. Bradford aint a club or a place that is going to attract rich foreign investment and never will be. Small unheard of club, no history, no decent assets,a small fanbase and would easily be in the champions league places if there was a league going for the biggest shithole in England. Browsed there forum and quotes such as 'if we get a new stadium it needs to be 60,000' and 'we have more potential than man city as they have man utd to compete with'. Classics. Heard half a story on this awhile back. It's not really a "consortium" as such, the money comes from the one German, who purportedly has funds of £100m (less than Hoyle, and obviously this won't all be liquid or accessible or even intended to be part of potential 'investment' in Bradford). He will stay in Germany and has no interest or background in football. Fronting the team in the UK will be a BOSNIAN (papers will still call this a German consortium), who has knowledge of football business admin through a brief (1 year) period as a scout plus he had a role I can't remember at a German football club. Will be an interesting one to watch...as things stand with a playing budget of circa £3m Bradford would disappear like Yeovil should they get promoted, losing to Millwall is probably the best thing that could happen to them in context of this takeover, whilst they remain at a level where ~£1m keystone investment could actually make a difference. Probably the club that Cellino should have bought. Truth is, no one really knows anything about these guys, do they? We'll no more tomorrow when the statement is released. Talk of playing budgets is a little premature, also. Yes, our playing budget this season was £3m, but had we gone up, it would've been very similar to yours. When we currently turn over circa £6-£7m in L1, the Champ is worth an additional £7m in turnover from next season. If we were to thrown everything we earnt during that financial year, it would enable us to have a £12m playing budget. Obviously, these are very quick figures with nothing to really substantiate than the general insight from those looking in. |
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Post by queenybantam07 on May 23, 2016 17:31:30 GMT 1
Get promoted and stay up without making massive changes. If Bradford had somehow managed to go up this year and not make any massive changes, they would get absolutely spanked all over by every team in this league next year. They were absolutely woeful in every way. You only have to look at some of the players that have come through our doors since going up that we've merely just survived (ok this year perhaps not true reflection of our ability) to see that unless you invest quite considerably you're off straight back down. MK tried it this year, and it did a lot of good for them. Absolutely laughable. This theory based on watching he play-offs, I assume? I'm not going to go into why we fell at this hurdle, as you probably don't give two foooks. We didn't play anywhere near aswell as we have done. Without really playing well last season, we still managed 80 points and 27 clean sheets (some sorta record in there if you can be arsed to look). |
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Post by queenybantam07 on May 23, 2016 17:32:30 GMT 1
I thought it sounded dodge as soon as i heard it. Why would a group of german footballing men rolling in it invest in english football never mind Bradford. Some looney arabs, russians etc investing in an english side as there little play toy maybe. Im looking forward to seeing how this one unfolds as they genuinely think there the next man city judging by the forum ffs. Why would they invest?? Because Bradford City are a very good looking club to invest in. No debt (including low to zero director loans), no real assets other than the Football League share, therefore exchanged at a relatively low price (, seeming continuous steady year on year progression such that the play offs is now really the bottom level of their barometer of expectation. Get promoted and stay up without making massive changes and theyll be profiteering to £2m+ a season, suddenly the club will be 'worth' £15m-£20m and because they are investors rather than Dean Hoyle, theyll quickly move the club on to someone prepared to put bigger money in to push to the next level. First logical post I've seen on this forum (barring mine). |
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Post by queenybantam07 on May 23, 2016 17:33:36 GMT 1
I may have spotted the flaw in that plan! I agree. But the potential return probably makes it a decent risk. Lets face it, thats pretty much what Town have done (and a big reason as to why we've been in bottom third every year). The difference is we did it from a negative monetary starting point in League 1, and with crowds at a low ebb. Any financial gain we've had from being a division higher has just been swallowed into the ongoing money pit. Bradford City arent at a low ebb, and IF they could get promoted, they could probably double their playing budget and still turn a profit because of the extra solidarity money etc. (doubling budget would still leave them in a difficult place though). Stand corrected; second logical post I've seen (barring mine). |
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Post by kes on May 23, 2016 17:45:34 GMT 1
I agree. But the potential return probably makes it a decent risk. Lets face it, thats pretty much what Town have done (and a big reason as to why we've been in bottom third every year). The difference is we did it from a negative monetary starting point in League 1, and with crowds at a low ebb. Any financial gain we've had from being a division higher has just been swallowed into the ongoing money pit. Bradford City arent at a low ebb, and IF they could get promoted, they could probably double their playing budget and still turn a profit because of the extra solidarity money etc. (doubling budget would still leave them in a difficult place though). Stand corrected; second logical post I've seen (barring mine). And if you get relegated with double the playing budget - entirely possible - you`re up shit creek as the investors will probably bugger off. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 23, 2016 17:54:41 GMT 1
I agree. But the potential return probably makes it a decent risk. Lets face it, thats pretty much what Town have done (and a big reason as to why we've been in bottom third every year). The difference is we did it from a negative monetary starting point in League 1, and with crowds at a low ebb. Any financial gain we've had from being a division higher has just been swallowed into the ongoing money pit. Bradford City arent at a low ebb, and IF they could get promoted, they could probably double their playing budget and still turn a profit because of the extra solidarity money etc. (doubling budget would still leave them in a difficult place though). Stand corrected; second logical post I've seen (barring mine). Funny how you are replying to this thread and not the one you posted in yesterday with your made up facts, which were quickly exposed. Funny that. |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 23, 2016 18:06:40 GMT 1
I think theyd have to more than double the wage bill to compete. Championship quality players aren't going to sign for a club like bradford for league 1 wages and they need a lot of them.
The problem they have is theyve already maximised the income they can get from their home support. Sold out practically in cheap or free season cards. Unless they bump up the prices considerably then there isn't much more to earn there even after a promotion.
Yes theres more tv money and more away fans but that isn't going to add up to anything like £7m queenie thinks. That figure factors in increased home support ( at higher prices) and all the spin off income ( pies, programmes etc) that they already get.
Just being in the championship is a very expensive thing as every club in there knows all too well.
probably won't happen anyway
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Post by shawsie on May 23, 2016 19:17:05 GMT 1
If Bradford had somehow managed to go up this year and not make any massive changes, they would get absolutely spanked all over by every team in this league next year. They were absolutely woeful in every way. You only have to look at some of the players that have come through our doors since going up that we've merely just survived (ok this year perhaps not true reflection of our ability) to see that unless you invest quite considerably you're off straight back down. MK tried it this year, and it did a lot of good for them. Absolutely laughable. This theory based on watching he play-offs, I assume? I'm not going to go into why we fell at this hurdle, as you probably don't give two foooks. We didn't play anywhere near aswell as we have done. Without really playing well last season, we still managed 80 points and 27 clean sheets (some sorta record in there if you can be arsed to look). Queeny - you would have really struggled with the current lot. I actually think Hanson would be quite effective, and mcardle, Evans and maybe Meredith......the rest would really struggle based on the games I've seen on sky. Maybe I've missed a couple who haven't performed well for tv but done well at other times, but they were clearly nowhere near Wigan who went down with a stronger squad than they had this term. |
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Post by WellSaid on May 23, 2016 19:29:02 GMT 1
If they do get to the Championship and then struggle would the new owners sanction a Great Escape? I think not.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 21:45:38 GMT 1
I would be very suprised if these foreign investors have a lot of cash. Bradford aint a club or a place that is going to attract rich foreign investment and never will be. Small unheard of club, no history, no decent assets,a small fanbase and would easily be in the champions league places if there was a league going for the biggest shithole in England. Browsed there forum and quotes such as 'if we get a new stadium it needs to be 60,000' and 'we have more potential than man city as they have man utd to compete with'. Classics. I don't know where you got 60,000 from? Their claret and banter page is suggesting they would need a 75000 stadium, presumably cos they have more potential than Manchester United. I'm really not sure if they're joking, but they seem to have got carried away with an unknown consortium that in this day and age isn't worth a great deal for owners of an English football club. |
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