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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 5, 2017 17:22:40 GMT 1
There's always one
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Post by macdaddyterrier on Sept 5, 2017 17:23:52 GMT 1
Moooy might be better than Clayton ? Don't think 'might' comes into it! |
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Post by slumster on Sept 5, 2017 17:46:42 GMT 1
I think Mooy will be gone next year even if we stay in the prem. I reckon he will have another top season and also a decent world cup so that a big club comes in for him. I intend to enjoy watching him play for town while I can
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 5, 2017 17:50:46 GMT 1
I think Mooy will be gone next year even if we stay in the prem. I reckon he will have another top season and also a decent world cup so that a big club comes in for him. I intend to enjoy watching him play for town while I can This provides me with the perfect opportunity to ask a question that has niggled me for some weeks now. Man City inserted a 'buy-back clause' in Mooy's sale to us; what is this and - EXACTLY - how does it work? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 5, 2017 17:53:48 GMT 1
I think Mooy will be gone next year even if we stay in the prem. I reckon he will have another top season and also a decent world cup so that a big club comes in for him. I intend to enjoy watching him play for town while I can This provides me with the perfect opportunity to ask a question that has niggled me for some weeks now. Man City inserted a 'buy-back clause' in Mooy's sale to us; what is this and - EXACTLY - how does it work? Might be that if we finish top 6 We must give them first dibs on him. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 5, 2017 18:47:16 GMT 1
Answered my own question.
"Buy-back clauses are not that simple as they seem to be. They can get very complex at times and can be very easy as well. Let us start by understanding the buyback clause in a layman's term. It is a provision in a contract which gives the seller of the property the first option to repurchase the property under certain conditions.
For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.This is exactly how buy-back clause works in football with a few changes. The main purpose of inserting a buy-back clause in the transfer agreements is to give the selling club a sense of security of being able to repurchase a player should he excel in the future. The buyback clause has to be agreed before the player can make a transfer. It may or may not be removed after a certain time period or conditions depending on the contract agreed. No other club except the selling club can pay the fee agreed while negotiating and in maximum cases, the player would have to go back to the parent club when they call for him. The player does not have a say in it and is powerless. "
This looks to me like we won't ever be able to sell Mooy for mega-bucks; in the event of us ever wanting to sell, City will be able to buy him back for - at best - probably around £20m and then shift him on for at least double that.
What I'm still unsure about is whether they can exercise their right to buy-back Mooy even if we don't want to sell, simply because they know the figure in his contract and can thereby trigger the sequence.
If that IS the case then these buy-back clauses look to have completely screwed the smaller clubs like ourselves.
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Post by k1man999 on Sept 5, 2017 18:51:25 GMT 1
I thought it was they got first dibs if we wanted t sell but at that reduced rate if they wanted him.
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Post by macdaddyterrier on Sept 5, 2017 18:53:25 GMT 1
Answered my own question. "Buy-back clauses are not that simple as they seem to be. They can get very complex at times and can be very easy as well. Let us start by understanding the buyback clause in a layman's term. It is a provision in a contract which gives the seller of the property the first option to repurchase the property under certain conditions.
For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.This is exactly how buy-back clause works in football with a few changes. The main purpose of inserting a buy-back clause in the transfer agreements is to give the selling club a sense of security of being able to repurchase a player should he excel in the future. The buyback clause has to be agreed before the player can make a transfer. It may or may not be removed after a certain time period or conditions depending on the contract agreed. No other club except the selling club can pay the fee agreed while negotiating and in maximum cases, the player would have to go back to the parent club when they call for him. The player does not have a say in it and is powerless. "This looks to me like we won't ever be able to sell Mooy for mega-bucks; in the event of us ever wanting to sell, City will be able to buy him back for - at best - probably around £20m and then shift him on for at least double that. What I'm still unsure about is whether they can exercise their right to buy-back Mooy even if we don't want to sell, simply because they know the figure in his contract and can thereby trigger the sequence. If that IS the case then these buy-back clauses look to have completely screwed the smaller clubs like ourselves. The press in Oz mentioned £30m. For the rest of the detail maybe Dean will put us at ease at a Q&A if it's favourable to Town, or say nothing if it isnt |
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Post by royrace on Sept 5, 2017 19:18:07 GMT 1
It's been obvious to us all how good Mooy is so I'd be surprised if the club had agree to an unfavourable buy back. £30M sounds on the low side to me if Mooy continues to progress as he has.
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Post by TTerrier on Sept 5, 2017 19:21:46 GMT 1
I think Mooy will be gone next year even if we stay in the prem. I reckon he will have another top season and also a decent world cup so that a big club comes in for him. I intend to enjoy watching him play for town while I can I agree. However I spent the entirety of last season thinking the same so it isn't new. Thought it was very likely that the last we would see him play would be at Wembley so for now it just feels like a bonus. If he keeps some consistency this year and carries on like he's started the season I can't see clubs like Everton or Saints ignoring him for too long |
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 5, 2017 19:42:40 GMT 1
Man City would not be able to force us to sell him back to them. The clause would come into play if the player was being sold.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 5, 2017 19:48:52 GMT 1
Man City would not be able to force us to sell him back to them. The clause would come into play if the player was being sold. That's what I had hoped. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 5, 2017 19:49:16 GMT 1
It's been obvious to us all how good Mooy is so I'd be surprised if the club had agree to an unfavourable buy back. £30M sounds on the low side to me if Mooy continues to progress as he has. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Having watched Town since 1975 through mainly thin it's lovely to be able to enjoy watching this lad play , might not ever get repeated. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 5, 2017 19:50:24 GMT 1
I think Mooy will be gone next year even if we stay in the prem. I reckon he will have another top season and also a decent world cup so that a big club comes in for him. I intend to enjoy watching him play for town while I can I agree. However I spent the entirety of last season thinking the same so it isn't new. Thought it was very likely that the last we would see him play would be at Wembley so for now it just feels like a bonus. If he keeps some consistency this year and carries on like he's started the season I can't see clubs like Everton or Saints ignoring him for too long What's to say Everton and Saints weren't in for him in the summer but couldn't offer him a guaranteed start like we could? Apparently 7 Premier League clubs were in for him, or at least I read that on here, but he wanted to stay with us. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 19:59:57 GMT 1
As Saudi Arabia have gone 1-0 up against Japan, looking like Mooy will have at least another two games in the World Cup playoffs. Against Syria (who play their 'home' games in Malaysia). If they get through, they then play the winners of the Concacaf playoffs. Potentially the USA. Lot of travelling there... Hmmmph.
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Post by gnomically on Sept 5, 2017 20:10:59 GMT 1
Lack of goals going to cost the Aussies Maybe. I still fancy Japan to take a point in Jeddah though As Japan has already qualified, do you think they might give more fringe players a game, thus maybe being weaker? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 20:12:14 GMT 1
Maybe. I still fancy Japan to take a point in Jeddah though As Japan has already qualified, do you think they might give more fringe players a game, thus maybe being weaker? Saudis look like scoring again. Japan coasting |
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Post by ozterrier on Sept 5, 2017 20:12:15 GMT 1
Maybe. I still fancy Japan to take a point in Jeddah though As Japan has already qualified, do you think they might give more fringe players a game, thus maybe being weaker? I don't know who they selected, but they're 1-0 down in the 82nd minute so it's not looking good... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 20:18:11 GMT 1
As Japan has already qualified, do you think they might give more fringe players a game, thus maybe being weaker? I don't know who they selected, but they're 1-0 down in the 82nd minute so it's not looking good... Japan have played their first team |
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Post by gnomically on Sept 5, 2017 20:21:13 GMT 1
As Japan has already qualified, do you think they might give more fringe players a game, thus maybe being weaker? I don't know who they selected, but they're 1-0 down in the 82nd minute so it's not looking good... Perhaps it might have been better to play fringe players, they still had something to prove. Hope they nab one for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 20:21:35 GMT 1
Japseye already on the finals
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 20:25:09 GMT 1
Play-offs against Syria then Honduras or the USA if they get through.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 20:46:48 GMT 1
Lack of goals going to cost the Aussies Saudi's won't beat Japan. See. 🙈 |
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Post by bluestripe on Sept 5, 2017 21:02:03 GMT 1
Japseye already on the finals Nick-esque, but a little wittier  |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 5, 2017 22:02:16 GMT 1
Answered my own question. "Buy-back clauses are not that simple as they seem to be. They can get very complex at times and can be very easy as well. Let us start by understanding the buyback clause in a layman's term. It is a provision in a contract which gives the seller of the property the first option to repurchase the property under certain conditions.
For example, 'A' sells a house to 'B' and in the contract, inserts a buy-back clause. Now, when 'B' wants to sell the house to say 'C', he cannot do so before asking 'A'. 'A' has the first option of deciding whether he wants to buy back his house or not. If 'A' decides to buy back the house, he would have to pay a certain fee, stated in the contract, to 'B' to get back the property. If 'A' declines, 'B' is free to sell the house to 'C' or anyone else for a fee which both the parties agree upon.This is exactly how buy-back clause works in football with a few changes. The main purpose of inserting a buy-back clause in the transfer agreements is to give the selling club a sense of security of being able to repurchase a player should he excel in the future. The buyback clause has to be agreed before the player can make a transfer. It may or may not be removed after a certain time period or conditions depending on the contract agreed. No other club except the selling club can pay the fee agreed while negotiating and in maximum cases, the player would have to go back to the parent club when they call for him. The player does not have a say in it and is powerless. "This looks to me like we won't ever be able to sell Mooy for mega-bucks; in the event of us ever wanting to sell, City will be able to buy him back for - at best - probably around £20m and then shift him on for at least double that. What I'm still unsure about is whether they can exercise their right to buy-back Mooy even if we don't want to sell, simply because they know the figure in his contract and can thereby trigger the sequence. If that IS the case then these buy-back clauses look to have completely screwed the smaller clubs like ourselves. The press in Oz mentioned £30m. For the rest of the detail maybe Dean will put us at ease at a Q&A if it's favourable to Town, or say nothing if it isnt Thought it was Aus $ 30 million? We won't actually need to sell him with another £100 million in the coffers (hopefully), so it will be more down to how the big clubs unsettle him! |
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Post by duffterrier on Sept 5, 2017 23:21:49 GMT 1
At the end of the day if Man City hadn't have put in certain clauses then we might not have had a chance of buying him so i wouldn't worry too much about it although it would be nice to know the ins and outs of the deal.
My first town game was 1973 and Mooy would be easily one of the best town players i've seen and if he could take a decent corner i would put him on a par with Martin Fowler and Kevin Johnson!!
I have tried not to worry about the future regarding Wagner,Mooy,Schindler etc and think we should just enjoy the present.....it's a beautiful time to be a Terrier!!
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Post by TTerrier on Sept 6, 2017 0:19:59 GMT 1
I agree. However I spent the entirety of last season thinking the same so it isn't new. Thought it was very likely that the last we would see him play would be at Wembley so for now it just feels like a bonus. If he keeps some consistency this year and carries on like he's started the season I can't see clubs like Everton or Saints ignoring him for too long What's to say Everton and Saints weren't in for him in the summer but couldn't offer him a guaranteed start like we could? Apparently 7 Premier League clubs were in for him, or at least I read that on here, but he wanted to stay with us. I think other clubs will have showed interest but ultimately we paid a good fee for an unproven premier league player-knowing his ability and likelihood that he could make the step up. There's a big difference in having one good year with a smaller club in the championship and having a good year in the premier league. Mooy has already shown he is the heartbeat of the team against prem opposition. If he keeps that up for anything like regularly those top end clubs will come calling with serious bids. Rather than enquiring which is what I expect they did at the end of last season |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Sept 6, 2017 0:40:31 GMT 1
I have the same attitude to Mooy as I do with Wagner, I enjoy every moment of him being with Town whilst I can.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 0:56:09 GMT 1
I have the same attitude to Mooy as I do with Wagner, I enjoy every moment of him being with Town whilst I can. Same here & I felt like the after about 3 games last season. Now, we've built a good centre midfield quartet to share the load for Mooy, we've given him another runner and link player in Ince, and we've given him an aerial option who will run in behind. All bodes very well for him & us this season. I think we all knew he'd relish it. He's born for the Prem. A potent self belief and talent combination. No limits. UTT |
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Post by philincalifornia on Sept 6, 2017 2:42:13 GMT 1
Play-offs against Syria then Honduras or the USA if they get through. I just watched the Honduras USA game in a bar here, and the USA were absolutely dreadful, but managed to scrape a 1-1 draw. Honduras weren't much better. If Mooy's Socceroos can make it to that game, I think they should get through (at least on this afternoon's showing). Seriously, Town would have crushed the USA today, even with Rob Green in goal |
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