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Post by softboy on Jul 15, 2017 16:23:10 GMT 1
those who are saying there should be no loyalty scheme and all tickets a available to everybody I assume do mean everybody who wants one - not just fans with a season card or purchase history !
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 15, 2017 16:23:57 GMT 1
I'm not saying I should be at the front of the queue ... not at all ... I don't think anyone should be to be honest .. I've been to probably 80 grounds to see town .. if there are 2000 tickets and it's down to loyalty I'd say I have a good case ... but I think the loyalty thing is massively flawed so I'd have opened it to everyone personally ... is this loyalty thing present in other areas of commerce ? If I've been to a restaurant 50 times in the last year does that mean I get let in in front of others if there is a queue ? I don't agree with it .. simple as I get priority booking and discount at loads of places that I regularly go to.. its called good fucking business sense?  If you buy one item a year from me you wont get the same deal as someone who buys 10... which planet have you landed from? ?? the club have done what they feel is best for their business now, the 80 clubs we have been to in the rain and shit dim and distant is what it is, history.. we are in a huge business now, its not little old town with a hardy band of away supporters in transit fucking vans... some of you ought to have a business meeting with Dean and show him the error of his ways, you really fucking should.. its for this season, they will change it should we stay up.. ffs moaning c****..  |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 16:25:12 GMT 1
I'm not saying I should be at the front of the queue ... not at all ... I don't think anyone should be to be honest .. I've been to probably 80 grounds to see town .. if there are 2000 tickets and it's down to loyalty I'd say I have a good case ... but I think the loyalty thing is massively flawed so I'd have opened it to everyone personally ... is this loyalty thing present in other areas of commerce ? If I've been to a restaurant 50 times in the last year does that mean I get let in in front of others if there is a queue ? I don't agree with it .. simple as My sentiments exactly and because it's football, it is somehow accepted. How the fuck do you measure loyalty over support? Fans support to the best of their ability, taking into consideration other aspects of life. What exactly makes one supporter more important or valuable than another. Another point. At these away games we are going to need positive, passionate, loud and supportive fans. I know of loads of P1 fans who moan like shit, get on players backs and generally do the opposite of support. Yes, they are loyal but do they really support? Maybe they should have held auditions and introduce fitness test for true P1 supporters. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 15, 2017 16:27:12 GMT 1
For the first time in my lifetime home games were actually better than away games last year, the south stand as lit the home games up and made the atmosphere brilliant, went to a fair few away last year and didn't think they were a patch on home games. So my thoughts are I will try to get to as many away as possible maybe not many as I'm priority 4 but can't say it bothers me as I will be happy to enjoy the 19 home games. In time if we manage to stay up the novelty will wear off and tickets will become far easier to obtain. A question for this loyalty scheme - I'm a season ticket holders for last 2 years and a long standing B&W member, next year do I jump to priority 2 as I will have 3 years ST and B&W |
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 15, 2017 16:28:19 GMT 1
Including last season's Terriers On Tour in Super Priority is a real mistake - like many have already said it was a one-off £20 and most only paid it to make sure they got tickets for the Newcastle game (pretty much the only game it would effect). Take that clanger out though and I think the club have pretty much got it spot on. You're guessing in support of your opinion...which your entitled to...and we both know that!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 16:29:28 GMT 1
My sentiments exactly and because it's football, it is somehow accepted. How the fuck do you measure loyalty over support? Fans support to the best of their ability, taking into consideration other aspects of life. What exactly makes one supporter more important or valuable than another. Another point. At these away games we are going to need positive, passionate, loud and supportive fans. I know of loads of P1 fans who moan like shit, get on players backs and generally do the opposite of support. Yes, they are loyal but do they really support? Maybe they should have held auditions and introduce fitness test for true P1 supporters. Or maybe they should have a mass scramble like we used to do with football cards in the playground. Survival of the fittest. Still wouldn't measure loyalty. |
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Post by hd7terrier on Jul 15, 2017 16:29:41 GMT 1
Another question i would like to know the answer to is how long you will remain Priority 1 with TOT rather than B&W . Ive been in B&W since day 1 and will continue to be regardless of the ticket priority attached , but how does a one off £20 compare to an ongoing £8.66 a month. Asking as i noticed someone querying about renewal of B&W , and ticket office said they would need to renew. So assuming if you don't you lose "Super Priority" - yet TOT won't ever have to pay again . Will the TOT P1's next season drop down to P4? Got to agree with you on that £20 against hundreds paid for blue and white foundation since it started and does not add up I have got to agree with this, IMO the ToT should not really come into the equation. |
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Post by AndySk on Jul 15, 2017 16:29:53 GMT 1
Gonna be funny when we don't sell out our first 5 away games
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Post by Sio on Jul 15, 2017 16:36:13 GMT 1
Including last season's Terriers On Tour in Super Priority is a real mistake - like many have already said it was a one-off £20 and most only paid it to make sure they got tickets for the Newcastle game (pretty much the only game it would effect). Take that clanger out though and I think the club have pretty much got it spot on. I agree that TOT doesn't really prove loyalty (I'm P1 because of it and it doesn't feel completely right). But, if P1 was just limited to BWF and Patrons alongside the 10 years, it's pretty much limiting it to older fans assuming very few younger fans are members of either. TOT was likely snapped up by a lot of young fans last season so this could make sure that P1 (and I guess P2) will include a mix of ages. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 16:36:42 GMT 1
My sentiments exactly and because it's football, it is somehow accepted. How the fuck do you measure loyalty over support? Fans support to the best of their ability, taking into consideration other aspects of life. What exactly makes one supporter more important or valuable than another. Another point. At these away games we are going to need positive, passionate, loud and supportive fans. I know of loads of P1 fans who moan like shit, get on players backs and generally do the opposite of support. Yes, they are loyal but do they really support? I will say again, how many of our away support that was magnificent last season are not season card holders or foundation members.. when some c-nt can give me the numbers properly then I might have some sympathy.. The ones in priority that I know shout as loud as any other c-nt... this making up bollox about priority supporters being fucking part time or moaners etc is fucking bollox and fucking childish at best.. we had 4000 card holders..now we have 20k plus are all 16k plus now moaners and part time, wont they sing loudly or want to go in the ss...?? its bollox... It's not bollocks though. OK take out my trite comment about needing passionate and loud away supporters. I'll go further and retract that as it is not relevant. Now tell me how this system rewards loyalty? Also tell me how it is equitable? What is really bollox is that some supporters are mightily pissed off and feel marginalised by this priority allocation. From a personal point of view, I will get to my usual half dozen away games but might have to use a bit more guile and cunning. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 16:37:12 GMT 1
Maybe they should have held auditions and introduce fitness test for true P1 supporters. Or maybe they should have a mass scramble like we used to do with football cards in the playground. Survival of the fittest. Still wouldn't measure loyalty. Don't think the club have said anything about rewarding loyalty have they. Just said rewarding supporters who have backed Dean since 2009. It's fans blabbing on about loyalty and entitlement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 16:38:48 GMT 1
Including last season's Terriers On Tour in Super Priority is a real mistake - like many have already said it was a one-off £20 and most only paid it to make sure they got tickets for the Newcastle game (pretty much the only game it would effect). Take that clanger out though and I think the club have pretty much got it spot on. I agree that TOT doesn't really prove loyalty (I'm P1 because of it and it doesn't feel completely right). But, if P1 was just limited to BWF and Patrons alongside the 10 years, it's pretty much limiting it to older fans assuming very few younger fans are members of either. TOT was likely snapped up by a lot of young fans last season so this could make sure that P1 (and I guess P2) will include a mix of ages. That is a very good point. |
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Post by softboy on Jul 15, 2017 16:39:31 GMT 1
I bet town had wished they could have put them all on ebay and sold to the highest bidder - the wealthy get them - but then I guess other people would moan about this non priority scheme as well!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 16:41:25 GMT 1
Or maybe they should have a mass scramble like we used to do with football cards in the playground. Survival of the fittest. Still wouldn't measure loyalty. Don't think the club have said anything about rewarding loyalty have they. Just said rewarding supporters who have backed Dean since 2009. It's fans blabbing on about loyalty and entitlement. Fair point mate, I'll shut up now! |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 16:44:15 GMT 1
Don't think the club have said anything about rewarding loyalty have they. Just said rewarding supporters who have backed Dean since 2009. It's fans blabbing on about loyalty and entitlement. Fair point mate, I'll shut up now! We're all entitled to blab - it's what football forums are for. |
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Jul 15, 2017 16:45:37 GMT 1
My sentiments exactly and because it's football, it is somehow accepted. How the fuck do you measure loyalty over support? Fans support to the best of their ability, taking into consideration other aspects of life. What exactly makes one supporter more important or valuable than another. Another point. At these away games we are going to need positive, passionate, loud and supportive fans. I know of loads of P1 fans who moan like shit, get on players backs and generally do the opposite of support. Yes, they are loyal but do they really support? I will say again, how many of our away support that was magnificent last season are not season card holders or foundation members.. when some c-nt can give me the numbers properly then I might have some sympathy.. The ones in priority that I know shout as loud as any other c-nt... this making up bollox about priority supporters being fucking part time or moaners etc is fucking bollox and fucking childish at best.. we had 4000 card holders..now we have 20k plus are all 16k plus now moaners and part time, wont they sing loudly or want to go in the ss...?? its bollox... Does that feel better? |
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 15, 2017 16:48:18 GMT 1
For the first time in my lifetime home games were actually better than away games last year, the south stand as lit the home games up and made the atmosphere brilliant, went to a fair few away last year and didn't think they were a patch on home games. So my thoughts are I will try to get to as many away as possible maybe not many as I'm priority 4 but can't say it bothers me as I will be happy to enjoy the 19 home games. In time if we manage to stay up the novelty will wear off and tickets will become far easier to obtain. A question for this loyalty scheme - I'm a season ticket holders for last 2 years and a long standing B&W member, next year do I jump to priority 2 as I will have 3 years ST and B&W Sent you a PM |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2017 17:03:03 GMT 1
The whole emphasis of this decision isn't about rewarding loyalty- its about rewarding those that spent £20 on an away thing last summer. the £20 is deemed a better gauge of a fans loyalty and lifetime support than YEARS of actually supporting the club, usually at times when it was crap and going nowhere. Someone who started getting a season card after we beat Sheff Utd at wembley is , just by spending £20, catapulted ahead of a fan who has had a season ticket for DECADES and watched town play in hundreds of away games! That isn;t even the funniest bit! Someone who had his first season ticket LAST SEASON, is catapulted ahead of the same lifelong fan, just because hes had to move his fucking seat!! LOL Its not an easy thing to come up with a solution to and whatever they did, some people wopuld be pissed off, but fuck me, i had to read it 5 times before i could take in what an utter shambles of a decision they came to. They talk about rewarding loyalty as their priority, whist at the same time shitting all over thousands of the most loyal Town fans- the ones who'll still be going if and when we slip back down the divisions! " been watching a lifetime? Had a season ticket for decades? ... well tough shit, if only youd spent £20 on a priority away membership so you could guarantee going to the 2 or 3 games it was needed for last season" They've not shit on thousands of fans tho have they. How quickly the £199 (or £100 even) season tickets get forgotten. I'm sure the last thing they wanted to do was upset anyone but it was always gonna happen. Two options, deal with it or let it ruin your season Sorry, but over this i think they have shit on thousands of fans. Particularly the long suffering ones who having carried the club through years of struggle are now deemed less worthy of supporting Town in the prem than many relatively new fans just because they bought a TOT for £20 last season. What a fucking joke! Like everyone else i will have to deal with it, but the fact Ive dreamed about seeing town in the top flight for decades and now stand almost no chance of watching us at anfield, goodison, OT, emirates etc takes a lot of the gloss off going up. Its not that I see myself as more deserving that other fans. Its the fact the club have decided others are more deserving than me, based around some laughably flimsy logic ( like a £20 TOT membership or having to move a seat ) My son knows a lad whos had to move from the back of the Kilner so is now a cat 1 - he was a fecking Man utd fan with no interest in Town until 2 years ago FFS!! What sort of representation did the fans group contribute to this? Don;t want to appear cynical but would it be a surprise if they were all in cat 1 ? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 15, 2017 17:11:12 GMT 1
I'm not saying I should be at the front of the queue ... not at all ... I don't think anyone should be to be honest .. I've been to probably 80 grounds to see town .. if there are 2000 tickets and it's down to loyalty I'd say I have a good case ... but I think the loyalty thing is massively flawed so I'd have opened it to everyone personally ... is this loyalty thing present in other areas of commerce ? If I've been to a restaurant 50 times in the last year does that mean I get let in in front of others if there is a queue ? I don't agree with it .. simple as I get priority booking and discount at loads of places that I regularly go to.. its called good fucking business sense? If you buy one item a year from me you wont get the same deal as someone who buys 10... which planet have you landed from? ?? the club have done what they feel is best for their business now, the 80 clubs we have been to in the rain and shit dim and distant is what it is, history.. we are in a huge business now, its not little old town with a hardy band of away supporters in transit fucking vans... some of you ought to have a business meeting with Dean and show him the error of his ways, you really fucking should.. its for this season, they will change it should we stay up.. ffs moaning c****.. Hahaha Said the man who yesterday said "I won't moan as long as it goes my way " c*** indeed ! |
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Post by towny4ever on Jul 15, 2017 17:12:40 GMT 1
I'm in priority 1 due to having a st since 79 & b&w but must admit the TOT thing shouldn't be included & should never have been introduced really & agree that those who have had to move shouldn't be in either let's face it they will still be in the ground!
It's a difficult thing to sort & apart from the 2 things I've mentioned they've prob got it right & if I decide not to go to an away game for whatever reason then I'm happy to get a ticket at cost price for any genuine long standing supporter.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 15, 2017 17:16:02 GMT 1
I get priority booking and discount at loads of places that I regularly go to.. its called good fucking business sense? If you buy one item a year from me you wont get the same deal as someone who buys 10... which planet have you landed from? ?? the club have done what they feel is best for their business now, the 80 clubs we have been to in the rain and shit dim and distant is what it is, history.. we are in a huge business now, its not little old town with a hardy band of away supporters in transit fucking vans... some of you ought to have a business meeting with Dean and show him the error of his ways, you really fucking should.. its for this season, they will change it should we stay up.. ffs moaning c****.. Not sure why you are clapping someone who is calling people moaning c**** because they have an alternative and valid opinion ? I can't see that such as longsiatancerunner and myself are throwing their weight about using bullying language and presuming that if someone doesn't agree with us then they must be mentally unstable like this clown is .. i don't agree with how it's been done .. life goes on and we get on with it .. but some of the language and acrimony on this topic has been bang out of order imo |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 17:16:22 GMT 1
So this means most of us who have tickets will be sat on there own like me im priority 1 mates are priority 4 Not to mention being unable to sit with your kids. People will either just buy as the lowest common denominator category opens up to sit with kids, or will buy at the highest priority as they become available, and if there are tickets left as their kids priority opens up, they'll buy their kid, whilst simulatenously swapping their earlier bought ticket so they have two together. Most likely they'll need to do this in person which probably doesn't help you much....but I'm sure it'll be an option. I suspect non locals and most folk with kids at lower priority. after the initial scramble in Aug/Sep and we all get used EPL, will just wait until the kids priority opens up and then just buy together. It'll be fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 17:19:03 GMT 1
If the worst comes to the worst You'll get to see 19 home Premier league games next season. Not too shabby really, especially considering all the dross you top fans have witnessed over the years 4 less than last season. Disgrace. Wrong. 19 more than last season. Happy days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 17:20:05 GMT 1
I don't like the sound of Barry, Larry or Harry to be honest They all thought appointing Stanny Ternent was a good idea no doubt. |
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Post by scoffsablue on Jul 15, 2017 17:22:01 GMT 1
Not sure why you are clapping someone who is calling people moaning c**** because they have an alternative and valid opinion ? I can't see that such as longsiatancerunner and myself are throwing their weight about using bullying language and presuming that if someone doesn't agree with us then they must be mentally unstable like this clown is .. i don't agree with how it's been done .. life goes on and we get on with it .. but some of the language and acrimony on this topic has been bang out of order imo Pack it in Chipster you know me better than that!!..OK maybe I should have highlighted lines 1,2,4,5 and 6 but stop taking things so personally  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 17:23:10 GMT 1
still perplexing as to why they didn't look at away ticket booking history first though. Because the info is to cock. Our "chief ticket sorter" probably bought 50 away tickets in his name in the last season alone, plus about ten for Wembley! I reckon that I might have bought my own ticket maybe three times in the last 5 years. Tons of folk will be in either of those extreme camps with no way of the club knowing that they've all actually been to the exact same number of away games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 17:23:55 GMT 1
I'm in priority 1 due to having a st since 79 & b&w but must admit the TOT thing shouldn't be included & should never have been introduced really & agree that those who have had to move shouldn't be in either let's face it they will still be in the ground! It's a difficult thing to sort & apart from the 2 things I've mentioned they've prob got it right & if I decide not to go to an away game for whatever reason then I'm happy to get a ticket at cost price for any genuine long standing supporter. UTT 🐶 What a superb post from a grounded and brilliant poster. Anyway, any chance of a ticket for Old Trafford or Anfield? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2017 17:26:47 GMT 1
TOT shouldn't even be a factor in this, not in any category. Thats where this has all turned to crap and become ridiculously unfair to many.
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Post by stylishkids on Jul 15, 2017 17:31:01 GMT 1
I don't see how anyone can say those in P1 don't deserve to be. As for the rest, whatever criteria was picked was goin to seem unfair to some. I think they have done well with clear reasoning. Anyone who didn't pay 20 for ToT clearly isn't that bothered , or at least wasn't that bothered, about getting tickets for away games. Nonsense! I bet a large number of folk didn't pay £20 for the TOT because they believed it wasn't necessary for the coming season. Apart from the Sheffield Wednesday game I don't believe any game had sold out before they went on sale to all season ticket holders. Even the Newcastle game went on sale to general season ticket holders. Bar the Sheff Weds game I don't believe any away game over the past 10 years has not gone on sale to season ticket holders for that matter, so if people decided not to but a TOT they had good reason not to! They could have gone to all 23 away games without it. And Sheff Weds only sold out because they limited them to 2000 tickets at £20 a pop. If they were at their usual allocation at £40 a pop I can bet they would have gone on sale to season ticket holders too. It's not like people could have guessed at the start of the season that we would have been in the play offs, drawn a side that close to us and tickets would have been that cheap. If I'm mistaken and there has been a number of away games that have sold out via the super priority of season tickets and B & W foundation members then please correct me. If you didn't buy TOT it clearly doesn't mean you're not bothered about away games. At no point when they went on sale did it say that TOT on tour would have any bearing on future seasons. Not like season tickets and your ability to get them for £100 if we got to the premier league which was clearly stated in the 09/10 season. If they did state it would have bearing then I'm sure people would have though twice about them and maybe parked with their money for them. Instead they've just made it up on the spot that it does! Utter nonsense. It was advertised as a one off fee. And spouting on about 700 tickets sold via super priority for the Man City game beggars belief too. There was 8000 tickets for that game! If you was in the super priority then you didn't have to rush to buy them straight away. You had any time till 1pm the day before the game. I bought mine the day before when it transpired that I could attend at the last moment. Then you've got Sue banging on about it on the youtube video like it had some basis for their decisions in the priority allocation. It's a completely different scenario! Madness |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 17:36:32 GMT 1
They've not shit on thousands of fans tho have they. How quickly the £199 (or £100 even) season tickets get forgotten. I'm sure the last thing they wanted to do was upset anyone but it was always gonna happen. Two options, deal with it or let it ruin your season Sorry, but over this i think they have shit on thousands of fans. Particularly the long suffering ones who having carried the club through years of struggle are now deemed less worthy of supporting Town in the prem than many relatively new fans just because they bought a TOT for £20 last season. What a fucking joke! Like everyone else i will have to deal with it, but the fact Ive dreamed about seeing town in the top flight for decades and now stand almost no chance of watching us at anfield, goodison, OT, emirates etc takes a lot of the gloss off going up. Its not that I see myself as more deserving that other fans. Its the fact the club have decided others are more deserving than me, based around some laughably flimsy logic ( like a £20 TOT membership or having to move a seat ) My son knows a lad whos had to move from the back of the Kilner so is now a cat 1 - he was a fecking Man utd fan with no interest in Town until 2 years ago FFS!! What sort of representation did the fans group contribute to this? Don;t want to appear cynical but would it be a surprise if they were all in cat 1 ? I can't agree with your view on ToT, if you are interested in away/cup priority why would you not pay the club £20 to acknowledge & administer it? People want the club to offer low cost, but this is criticised as too low. I agree regarding 10 year season ticket holders, P2 is more appropriate than P3 in my opinion. Suggest you write to the club on that one as they said will be reviewed, but I think they are trying to respect away priority with P2. The problem is, if you don't accept the clubs ToT concept you were inevitably going to be disappointed when it counted. |
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