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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 15, 2017 18:41:34 GMT 1
Does anyone know if the club are going to monitor away match attendance this coming season and adjust any future priority categories accordingly? That in itself wouldn't be very fair would it, as the system is now skewed on a priority basis. I guess at least they will have the tools to monitor next season. I wouldnt if I was them... we stay up, we start again with a system that allows everyone to join a scheme and have the same chance to get a ticket(s) not exactly sure what system and I know some will find it unfair but the 'loyalty' has been repaid and its year zero... the scheme fee could cover academy stuff or community stuff the same and everybody gets the same 'chance' of the big games tickets at least..? |
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2017 18:43:32 GMT 1
Does anyone know if the club are going to monitor away match attendance this coming season and adjust any future priority categories accordingly? That in itself wouldn't be very fair would it, as the system is now skewed on a priority basis. I guess at least they will have the tools to monitor next season. I think it would work if the games were weighted correctly. Someone who can't get to the big games due to priority but still goes to several lesser games would accumulate more points than those that just go to the big 6 but don't bother with the rest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 18:46:37 GMT 1
Longdistancerunner: What a superb post from a grounded and brilliant poster. Anyway, any chance of a ticket for Old Trafford or Anfield? 🤣 I was been genuine....Watford any good? 🤣 I know you are mate, just having a jest! Maybe this is the way forward, friendly trading of tickets with fair-minded fans. |
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Post by artysid on Jul 15, 2017 18:47:04 GMT 1
Would probably have to be a system based on £££££'s I.e £200 to be in first 2,000 to apply for tickets £100 for next 1,000 or invite secret bids to join priority categories  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 18:49:20 GMT 1
Does anyone know if the club are going to monitor away match attendance this coming season and adjust any future priority categories accordingly? I think they'll switch it next season. Cat. 1 swap with Cat. 5 Cat. 2 swap with Cat. 4. Cat. 3 share 10%. Only fair.  |
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Post by Stavros on Jul 15, 2017 19:27:30 GMT 1
What priority am I.... Season card holder 2 years and blue and white foundation member.....i,v had 3 answere,s so far....1,4,2.... Which 1 am I thankyou.... Depends if you've been turfed out of your seat at the back of the Kilner Bank. If Yes - You're 1 If No - You're 4. I think. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2017 19:33:54 GMT 1
Sorry, but over this i think they have shit on thousands of fans. Particularly the long suffering ones who having carried the club through years of struggle are now deemed less worthy of supporting Town in the prem than many relatively new fans just because they bought a TOT for £20 last season. What a fucking joke! Like everyone else i will have to deal with it, but the fact Ive dreamed about seeing town in the top flight for decades and now stand almost no chance of watching us at anfield, goodison, OT, emirates etc takes a lot of the gloss off going up. Its not that I see myself as more deserving that other fans. Its the fact the club have decided others are more deserving than me, based around some laughably flimsy logic ( like a £20 TOT membership or having to move a seat ) My son knows a lad whos had to move from the back of the Kilner so is now a cat 1 - he was a fecking Man utd fan with no interest in Town until 2 years ago FFS!! What sort of representation did the fans group contribute to this? Don;t want to appear cynical but would it be a surprise if they were all in cat 1 ? I can't agree with your view on ToT, if you are interested in away/cup priority why would you not pay the club £20 to acknowledge & administer it? People want the club to offer low cost, but this is criticised as too low. I agree regarding 10 year season ticket holders, P2 is more appropriate than P3 in my opinion. Suggest you write to the club on that one as they said will be reviewed, but I think they are trying to respect away priority with P2. The problem is, if you don't accept the clubs ToT concept you were inevitably going to be disappointed when it counted. You only needed TOT for how many games last season? 2 or 3 maybe? Any fan could have gone to the vast majority of away games without being a member. If fans were willing to pay £20 to give them a guarantee of a ticket in those 2 or 3 games, then thats fine, no problem with that. They will have got their ticket and gone to those games- so money well spent. there was certainly no 'inevitability' that this would mean those not buying one would be excluded from following town in the prem division!!! To use TOT as the basis to rate fans on whether they are able to watch Town away in this totally unpredicted, possibly one off, premier division season is outrageous IMO. one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe! the club say they started with the 10 year SC holders as the starting point- well theyre talking rubbish, as well over 3/4s of those fans will be as low as cat 3 and stand very little ( none in truth ) chance of getting a ticket for all the biggest games. Ive been in contact with Sean jarvis today and whilst i appreciate him replying a couple of times, he basically hasn't got an answer to the points I made, other than it will be reviewed as the season goes on in consultation with the ATT, whatever use they are as they presumably think the £20 TOT over rides decades of support too. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 15, 2017 19:58:36 GMT 1
Got to find myself agreeing with slaps here.
The one off £20 seems to be getting totally over valued in this arrangement.
Very difficult decisions had to be made but this does seem very weird
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Post by townatheart on Jul 15, 2017 20:03:30 GMT 1
I can't agree with your view on ToT, if you are interested in away/cup priority why would you not pay the club £20 to acknowledge & administer it? People want the club to offer low cost, but this is criticised as too low. I agree regarding 10 year season ticket holders, P2 is more appropriate than P3 in my opinion. Suggest you write to the club on that one as they said will be reviewed, but I think they are trying to respect away priority with P2. The problem is, if you don't accept the clubs ToT concept you were inevitably going to be disappointed when it counted. You only needed TOT for how many games last season? 2 or 3 maybe? Any fan could have gone to the vast majority of away games without being a member. If fans were willing to pay £20 to give them a guarantee of a ticket in those 2 or 3 games, then thats fine, no problem with that. They will have got their ticket and gone to those games- so money well spent. there was certainly no 'inevitability' that this would mean those not buying one would be excluded from following town in the prem division!!! To use TOT as the basis to rate fans on whether they are able to watch Town away in this totally unpredicted, possibly one off, premier division season is outrageous IMO. one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe! the club say they started with the 10 year SC holders as the starting point- well theyre talking rubbish, as well over 3/4s of those fans will be as low as cat 3 and stand very little ( none in truth ) chance of getting a ticket for all the biggest games. Ive been in contact with Sean jarvis today and whilst i appreciate him replying a couple of times, he basically hasn't got an answer to the points I made, other than it will be reviewed as the season goes on in consultation with the ATT, whatever use they are as they presumably think the £20 TOT over rides decades of support too. Out of curiousity, do we know how many TOT's there are to measure the actual impact of this element? |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 15, 2017 20:07:51 GMT 1
You only needed TOT for how many games last season? 2 or 3 maybe? Any fan could have gone to the vast majority of away games without being a member. If fans were willing to pay £20 to give them a guarantee of a ticket in those 2 or 3 games, then thats fine, no problem with that. They will have got their ticket and gone to those games- so money well spent. there was certainly no 'inevitability' that this would mean those not buying one would be excluded from following town in the prem division!!! To use TOT as the basis to rate fans on whether they are able to watch Town away in this totally unpredicted, possibly one off, premier division season is outrageous IMO. one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe! the club say they started with the 10 year SC holders as the starting point- well theyre talking rubbish, as well over 3/4s of those fans will be as low as cat 3 and stand very little ( none in truth ) chance of getting a ticket for all the biggest games. Ive been in contact with Sean jarvis today and whilst i appreciate him replying a couple of times, he basically hasn't got an answer to the points I made, other than it will be reviewed as the season goes on in consultation with the ATT, whatever use they are as they presumably think the £20 TOT over rides decades of support too. Out of curiousity, do we know how many TOT's there are to measure the actual impact of this element? There's been no mention of the numbers involved. But I'm going to be asking the question We really need to know the full breakdown to give us some clue |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 20:27:57 GMT 1
That in itself wouldn't be very fair would it, as the system is now skewed on a priority basis. I guess at least they will have the tools to monitor next season. I wouldnt if I was them... we stay up, we start again with a system that allows everyone to join a scheme and have the same chance to get a ticket(s) not exactly sure what system and I know some will find it unfair but the 'loyalty' has been repaid and its year zero... the scheme fee could cover academy stuff or community stuff the same and everybody gets the same 'chance' of the big games tickets at least..? I agree. Spread the happiness around. You can't even define loyalty let alone measure it. I'd check how other clubs do it or it it just us who are wingeing. At some clubs the odds will be 50,000+ for 1500 - 3500 tickets! |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 20:29:46 GMT 1
That in itself wouldn't be very fair would it, as the system is now skewed on a priority basis. I guess at least they will have the tools to monitor next season. I think it would work if the games were weighted correctly. Someone who can't get to the big games due to priority but still goes to several lesser games would accumulate more points than those that just go to the big 6 but don't bother with the rest. What about the very very loyal fans who can't get a ticket to any away matches. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 20:32:26 GMT 1
What priority am I.... Season card holder 2 years and blue and white foundation member.....i,v had 3 answere,s so far....1,4,2.... Which 1 am I thankyou.... Depends if you've been turfed out of your seat at the back of the Kilner Bank. If Yes - You're 1 If No - You're 4. I think. Pretty sure jimmymac will have been turfed out more than once! |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 20:33:07 GMT 1
I can't agree with your view on ToT, if you are interested in away/cup priority why would you not pay the club £20 to acknowledge & administer it? People want the club to offer low cost, but this is criticised as too low. I agree regarding 10 year season ticket holders, P2 is more appropriate than P3 in my opinion. Suggest you write to the club on that one as they said will be reviewed, but I think they are trying to respect away priority with P2. The problem is, if you don't accept the clubs ToT concept you were inevitably going to be disappointed when it counted. You only needed TOT for how many games last season? 2 or 3 maybe? Any fan could have gone to the vast majority of away games without being a member. If fans were willing to pay £20 to give them a guarantee of a ticket in those 2 or 3 games, then thats fine, no problem with that. They will have got their ticket and gone to those games- so money well spent. there was certainly no 'inevitability' that this would mean those not buying one would be excluded from following town in the prem division!!! To use TOT as the basis to rate fans on whether they are able to watch Town away in this totally unpredicted, possibly one off, premier division season is outrageous IMO. one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe! the club say they started with the 10 year SC holders as the starting point- well theyre talking rubbish, as well over 3/4s of those fans will be as low as cat 3 and stand very little ( none in truth ) chance of getting a ticket for all the biggest games. Ive been in contact with Sean jarvis today and whilst i appreciate him replying a couple of times, he basically hasn't got an answer to the points I made, other than it will be reviewed as the season goes on in consultation with the ATT, whatever use they are as they presumably think the £20 TOT over rides decades of support too. Maybe it was consultation with ATT that led to the introduction of TOT in the first place 😉 |
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Post by wagbo on Jul 15, 2017 20:40:33 GMT 1
I think it would work if the games were weighted correctly. Someone who can't get to the big games due to priority but still goes to several lesser games would accumulate more points than those that just go to the big 6 but don't bother with the rest. What about the very very loyal fans who can't get a ticket to any away matches. But what about the very very very loyal fans who can't get tickets for away matches? |
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Post by TheHuddersfieldGroundhopper on Jul 15, 2017 20:43:21 GMT 1
I've ended up in P3. I'm fine with that, I had b&w last year but had to cancel it due to money being particularly tight at the time. I will be re joining now everything is sorted, but my point now is I have purchase history at a lot of the premier league grounds as I am a groundhopper (expensive hobby/addiction to football) and if for one reason or another I cannot get a ticket to sit with the town I have a fair chance of sitting in the home crowd. I may have to avoid wearing the town short but I should get to go where I want 😇 You are not going to be able to get in to the big games though like Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, MU in their ends though are you? I have purchase history for all prem teams except palace (which I'm missing anyway due to me being in Nice) Newcastle and Leicester. My partner has family darn sarf, so I often scarper to a game somewhere and have learnt over the years it is always best to book everything in advance. I'm not saying its a shoe in, just gives me another option. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 20:46:19 GMT 1
For the folks who had to move because of the new gantry - have they had to move out of good seats in to poor ones? How many did that affect? Assume next season they won't be in P1?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 20:50:26 GMT 1
You are not going to be able to get in to the big games though like Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, MU in their ends though are you? I have purchase history for all prem teams except palace (which I'm missing anyway due to me being in Nice) Newcastle and Leicester. My partner has family darn sarf, so I often scarper to a game somewhere and have learnt over the years it is always best to book everything in advance. I'm not saying its a shoe in, just gives me another option. Fair enough. I live down south as well but never thought of going anywhere except Town. A lot of the Chelsea / Arsenal supporters I know seem to struggle to get tickets. Maybe it's just the cost. My mate says he can pay up to £250 a go to take his kids to a Chelsea game with the tickets and train fares etc. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2017 20:52:50 GMT 1
Does anyone know if the club are going to monitor away match attendance this coming season and adjust any future priority categories accordingly? That in itself wouldn't be very fair would it, as the system is now skewed on a priority basis. I guess at least they will have the tools to monitor next season. Yeah but other clubs give priority to fans who attend away games. Leeds do and I know a lot of the other big clubs do too who have big away followings. Got to earn your stripes mate. |
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Post by Stavros on Jul 15, 2017 21:00:57 GMT 1
For the folks who had to move because of the new gantry - have they had to move out of good seats in to poor ones? How many did that affect? Assume next season they won't be in P1? I've been moved to a poorer seat and split up from my brother who is two rows in front of me instead of next to me. That's not an insignificant hindrance. I didn't expect to be priority 1 off the back of the fact (I'd have been 2 anyway), but it's certainly something I could have done without. Clearly I'm not complaining and it's a nice gesture, but I'll let you judge if they should have done it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2017 21:03:11 GMT 1
You only needed TOT for how many games last season? 2 or 3 maybe? Any fan could have gone to the vast majority of away games without being a member. If fans were willing to pay £20 to give them a guarantee of a ticket in those 2 or 3 games, then thats fine, no problem with that. They will have got their ticket and gone to those games- so money well spent. there was certainly no 'inevitability' that this would mean those not buying one would be excluded from following town in the prem division!!! To use TOT as the basis to rate fans on whether they are able to watch Town away in this totally unpredicted, possibly one off, premier division season is outrageous IMO. one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe! the club say they started with the 10 year SC holders as the starting point- well theyre talking rubbish, as well over 3/4s of those fans will be as low as cat 3 and stand very little ( none in truth ) chance of getting a ticket for all the biggest games. Ive been in contact with Sean jarvis today and whilst i appreciate him replying a couple of times, he basically hasn't got an answer to the points I made, other than it will be reviewed as the season goes on in consultation with the ATT, whatever use they are as they presumably think the £20 TOT over rides decades of support too. Maybe it was consultation with ATT that led to the introduction of TOT in the first place 😉 Could well have been. And if thats the case no doubt the fans who make up the ATT had one. No one could have possibly imagined the importance of spending that whole £20 on a TOT membership. Not the fans who didn't feel the need to get one, and not the ones who did either. The club have had a shocker here and their rhetoric is one big contradiction. On one had- reward the loyal SC holders over the past 10 years and the other, implement a system based on a one off £20 payment that means over 3/4s of those loyal SC buyers have none or little chance of watching the club at an away game. And then the seat move idiocy!! There'll be people who are guaranteed a ticket for every away game this season, who bought a season ticket for the first time a year ago ( because it was so cheap ) and didn't even spend the magical £20 on TOT !! Im going to stop ranting about this cos its fucking me off so much.  |
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Post by AndySk on Jul 15, 2017 21:06:32 GMT 1
2 years ago after hull away on opening day of the season if you'd told me that within 24 months getting an away ticket for town was gonna be a struggle I'd have assumed that it was because football had gone bust. Or pretty much any other reason than the actual one
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Post by johns on Jul 15, 2017 21:10:44 GMT 1
For the folks who had to move because of the new gantry - have they had to move out of good seats in to poor ones? How many did that affect? Assume next season they won't be in P1? One bloke i no has been sat there 1 season. |
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2017 21:15:12 GMT 1
For the folks who had to move because of the new gantry - have they had to move out of good seats in to poor ones? How many did that affect? Assume next season they won't be in P1? That's fairly subjective but the 250 have clearly been inconvenienced watching HOME matches so I think they are due some recompense. How the friggin heck that translates into AWAY priority I simply have no idea. Bollock dropped by someone at the club to even bring that into any negotiations. Not that I'm bitter 😂 |
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Post by Stavros on Jul 15, 2017 21:15:28 GMT 1
Maybe it was consultation with ATT that led to the introduction of TOT in the first place 😉 Could well have been. And if thats the case no doubt the fans who make up the ATT had one. No one could have possibly imagined the importance of spending that whole £20 on a TOT membership. Not the fans who didn't feel the need to get one, and not the ones who did either. The club have had a shocker here and their rhetoric is one big contradiction. On one had- reward the loyal SC holders over the past 10 years and the other, implement a system based on a one off £20 payment that means over 3/4s of those loyal SC buyers have none or little chance of watching the club at an away game. And then the seat move idiocy!! There'll be people who are guaranteed a ticket for every away game this season, who bought a season ticket for the first time a year ago ( because it was so cheap ) and didn't even spend the magical £20 on TOT !! Im going to stop ranting about this cos its fucking me off so much. Just to be clear, the seat move alone doesn't make anyone priority 1. It only comes into play if you were priority one last year too. So in your example they actually would have to spend the magical £20, or considerably more on the foundation or Patrons. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but I just want to be sure people understand that fact. If 100 people were uprooted, probably 30 out of them were priority 1 last year too, and some of them still would be even without the seat move. So you may be talking about 15-20 people who have been upgraded because of this. Again, I'm not saying it's right but it's not 'carte blanche' in the way you are thinking (if I've understood you right). |
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2017 21:22:24 GMT 1
Could well have been. And if thats the case no doubt the fans who make up the ATT had one. No one could have possibly imagined the importance of spending that whole £20 on a TOT membership. Not the fans who didn't feel the need to get one, and not the ones who did either. The club have had a shocker here and their rhetoric is one big contradiction. On one had- reward the loyal SC holders over the past 10 years and the other, implement a system based on a one off £20 payment that means over 3/4s of those loyal SC buyers have none or little chance of watching the club at an away game. And then the seat move idiocy!! There'll be people who are guaranteed a ticket for every away game this season, who bought a season ticket for the first time a year ago ( because it was so cheap ) and didn't even spend the magical £20 on TOT !! Im going to stop ranting about this cos its fucking me off so much.
It only comes into play if you were priority one last year too. So in your example they actually would have to spend the magical £20, or considerably more on the foundation or Patrons. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but I just want to be sure people understand that fact. If 100 people were uprooted, probably 30 out of them were priority 1 last year too, and some of them still would be even without the seat move. So you may be talking about 15-20 people who have been upgraded because of this. Again, I'm not saying it's right but it's not 'carte blanche' in the way you are thinking (if I've understood you right). I don't believe that is correct. Seat moved = priority 1. (Confirmed by ticket office) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 21:27:09 GMT 1
Maybe it was consultation with ATT that led to the introduction of TOT in the first place 😉 Could well have been. And if thats the case no doubt the fans who make up the ATT had one. No one could have possibly imagined the importance of spending that whole £20 on a TOT membership. Not the fans who didn't feel the need to get one, and not the ones who did either. The club have had a shocker here and their rhetoric is one big contradiction. On one had- reward the loyal SC holders over the past 10 years and the other, implement a system based on a one off £20 payment that means over 3/4s of those loyal SC buyers have none or little chance of watching the club at an away game. And then the seat move idiocy!! There'll be people who are guaranteed a ticket for every away game this season, who bought a season ticket for the first time a year ago ( because it was so cheap ) and didn't even spend the magical £20 on TOT !! Im going to stop ranting about this cos its fucking me off so much. To be fair, back row Kilner are likely to be long standing season ticket holders anyway, it's always looked pretty full up there in the affected central third. They probably get a one off slight bump up this season that realistically won't make a difference, and all will be forgotten when that's dropped from the priority system and we're all desperately trying to find higher priority pals so we can get a ticket to a European game. |
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Post by Stavros on Jul 15, 2017 21:28:24 GMT 1
Just to be clear, the seat move alone doesn't make anyone priority 1.
It only comes into play if you were priority one last year too. So in your example they actually would have to spend the magical £20, or considerably more on the foundation or Patrons. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but I just want to be sure people understand that fact. If 100 people were uprooted, probably 30 out of them were priority 1 last year too, and some of them still would be even without the seat move. So you may be talking about 15-20 people who have been upgraded because of this. Again, I'm not saying it's right but it's not 'carte blanche' in the way you are thinking (if I've understood you right). I don't believe that is correct. Seat moved = priority 1. (Confirmed by ticket office) Really? That's certainly not what it says in the announcement. It says that you had to be priority 1 last season too. I stand corrected if you're right. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 15, 2017 21:31:41 GMT 1
You've read it correctly. But as the moved people then don't fall into any other priority I guess it's just worded wrongly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 21:32:38 GMT 1
Just to be clear, the seat move alone doesn't make anyone priority 1.
It only comes into play if you were priority one last year too. So in your example they actually would have to spend the magical £20, or considerably more on the foundation or Patrons. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but I just want to be sure people understand that fact. If 100 people were uprooted, probably 30 out of them were priority 1 last year too, and some of them still would be even without the seat move. So you may be talking about 15-20 people who have been upgraded because of this. Again, I'm not saying it's right but it's not 'carte blanche' in the way you are thinking (if I've understood you right). I don't believe that is correct. Seat moved = priority 1. (Confirmed by ticket office) I suspect ticket office are incorrect here....needs confirming but in the English language, the normal logic would be applied as clarified by my braces here: (All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17*) AND (have also had a Season Card for 10 years OR have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry) and not.... (All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17* and have ALSO had a Season Card for 10 years) OR (have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry). |
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