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Post by El Mel on Jul 15, 2017 21:33:06 GMT 1
You only needed TOT for how many games last season? 2 or 3 maybe? Any fan could have gone to the vast majority of away games without being a member. If fans were willing to pay £20 to give them a guarantee of a ticket in those 2 or 3 games, then thats fine, no problem with that. They will have got their ticket and gone to those games- so money well spent. there was certainly no 'inevitability' that this would mean those not buying one would be excluded from following town in the prem division!!! To use TOT as the basis to rate fans on whether they are able to watch Town away in this totally unpredicted, possibly one off, premier division season is outrageous IMO. one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe! the club say they started with the 10 year SC holders as the starting point- well theyre talking rubbish, as well over 3/4s of those fans will be as low as cat 3 and stand very little ( none in truth ) chance of getting a ticket for all the biggest games. Ive been in contact with Sean jarvis today and whilst i appreciate him replying a couple of times, he basically hasn't got an answer to the points I made, other than it will be reviewed as the season goes on in consultation with the ATT, whatever use they are as they presumably think the £20 TOT over rides decades of support too. Maybe it was consultation with ATT that led to the introduction of TOT in the first place 😉 It wasn't. |
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2017 21:46:07 GMT 1
I don't believe that is correct. Seat moved = priority 1. (Confirmed by ticket office) Really? That's certainly not what it says in the announcement. It says that you had to be priority 1 last season too. I stand corrected if you're right. It's badly worded but I'm 99% sure if you got moved you are P1 regardless. I also stand to be corrected if you're right. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Jul 15, 2017 21:49:59 GMT 1
It does read slightly ambiguously:
"All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17* and have ALSO had a Season Card for 10 years or have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry."
I'd read that as you have to be 'super priority' PLUS one of those other things. Assuming they know correct grammar, there would be a comma after '10 years' if displacement was a criterion on its own.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 15, 2017 21:51:08 GMT 1
Knock that TOT bollocks out and I don't have a problem with any of the Priority tiers.
£20 equating to years of support. Absolute crap.
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2017 21:55:32 GMT 1
It does read slightly ambiguously: "All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17* and have ALSO had a Season Card for 10 years or have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry." I'd read that as you have to be 'super priority' PLUS one of those other things. Assuming they know correct grammar, there would be a comma after '10 years' if displacement was a criterion on its own.  |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 15, 2017 21:56:21 GMT 1
It does read slightly ambiguously: "All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17* and have ALSO had a Season Card for 10 years or have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry." I'd read that as you have to be 'super priority' PLUS one of those other things. Assuming they know correct grammar, there would be a comma after '10 years' if displacement was a criterion on its own. Wow. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Jul 15, 2017 21:58:09 GMT 1
Well I guess my point about correct grammatical knowledge is explained in the lack of ability to spell priority! |
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Post by northnottsblue on Jul 15, 2017 22:01:20 GMT 1
Knock that TOT bollocks out and I don't have a problem with any of the Priority tiers. £20 equating to years of support. Absolute crap. Agree exactly with this.Been going home and away for 50 yrs and means nowt for the sake of £20.Just have to watch on the telly. |
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Post by Stavros on Jul 15, 2017 22:08:58 GMT 1
It does read slightly ambiguously: "All supporters who were 'Super Priority' in 2016/17* and have ALSO had a Season Card for 10 years or have been displaced from their seat this season for the installation of the new gantry." I'd read that as you have to be 'super priority' PLUS one of those other things. Assuming they know correct grammar, there would be a comma after '10 years' if displacement was a criterion on its own. I still wouldn't be surprised if the person who replied there has misinterpreted the statement. That would make my 7 year old son priority 1. He only goes to about half of the home games, let alone the away ones. In fact there are a lot of kids up the back there, so unless they'll allow them to upgrade to an adult ticket (they surely won't) that's a lot of priority ones that won't get used I suppose. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 15, 2017 22:18:23 GMT 1
What are the grounds that everybody is getting a hard on over visiting anyway?
We've been to pretty much all of them at some point haven't we?.
Burton away last season was one I was looking forward to more than any this, and even that turned out to be pretty shit.
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2017 22:20:07 GMT 1
I still wouldn't be surprised if the person who replied there has misinterpreted the statement. That would make my 7 year old son priority 1. He only goes to about half of the home games, let alone the away ones. In fact there are a lot of kids up the back there, so unless they'll allow them to upgrade to an adult ticket (they surely won't) that's a lot of priority ones that won't get used I suppose.  |
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Post by artysid on Jul 15, 2017 22:23:44 GMT 1
Knock that TOT bollocks out and I don't have a problem with any of the Priority tiers. £20 equating to years of support. Absolute crap. Wouldn't help me, but my preference would have been for priority two to be "all fans who've had a season ticket for the last 10 (or maybe 6) consecutive seasons or more". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 22:24:48 GMT 1
I still wouldn't be surprised if the person who replied there has misinterpreted the statement. That would make my 7 year old son priority 1. He only goes to about half of the home games, let alone the away ones. In fact there are a lot of kids up the back there, so unless they'll allow them to upgrade to an adult ticket (they surely won't) that's a lot of priority ones that won't get used I suppose. Wow that's the obvious big mistake they've made. Thankfully it's only a hundred or so folk, and presumably some of them would have been in high priorities anyhow. |
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Post by Stavros on Jul 15, 2017 22:25:33 GMT 1
I still wouldn't be surprised if the person who replied there has misinterpreted the statement. That would make my 7 year old son priority 1. He only goes to about half of the home games, let alone the away ones. In fact there are a lot of kids up the back there, so unless they'll allow them to upgrade to an adult ticket (they surely won't) that's a lot of priority ones that won't get used I suppose. I'm genuinely surprised, and stand corrected. Fair play. |
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Post by northnottsblue on Jul 15, 2017 22:31:02 GMT 1
Agree exactly with this.Been going home and away for 50 yrs and means nowt for the sake of £20.Just have to watch on the telly. Seriously, the woh is me phenomenon is fucking boring. What an easy life we all have and still moan and whinge like big fat girls. Imagine the lazy fat arses living in Africa with genuine hardship. Everyone is entitled to an opinion,and if you find that boring then don't bother reading it. And what has Africa got to do with this ? Do you support Cape Town United ? |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 15, 2017 22:39:38 GMT 1
Agree exactly with this.Been going home and away for 50 yrs and means nowt for the sake of £20.Just have to watch on the telly. Seriously, the woh is me phenomenon is fucking boring. What an easy life we all have and still moan and whinge like big fat girls. Imagine the lazy fat arses living in Africa with genuine hardship. I'm not really arsed about going to away games but can't you see what's wrong with giving a massive advantage to people paying an extra £20 over others who have many years of holding a season ticket? The TOT thing is bullshit. |
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Post by Floyds on Jul 15, 2017 22:57:39 GMT 1
I'm genuinely surprised, and stand corrected. Fair play. That Floyds_999 talking shite again. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 23:02:39 GMT 1
That in itself wouldn't be very fair would it, as the system is now skewed on a priority basis. I guess at least they will have the tools to monitor next season. Yeah but other clubs give priority to fans who attend away games. Leeds do and I know a lot of the other big clubs do too who have big away followings. Got to earn your stripes mate. How can anybody earn any stripes if they are not high up the current priority list? The current priority list doesn't take account of me watching Town home and away since 1962-3. My arms are really stripey. Do I get a demerit point for overwatching - like give everybody else a turn. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 15, 2017 23:07:56 GMT 1
Maybe it was consultation with ATT that led to the introduction of TOT in the first place 😉 It wasn't. Sorry - I was only winding up ATT's. This thread is better than Straigttalkers' and has quite a few similarities. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2017 23:10:55 GMT 1
What are the grounds that everybody is getting a hard on over visiting anyway? We've been to pretty much all of them at some point haven't we?. Burton away last season was one I was looking forward to more than any this, and even that turned out to be pretty shit. Yeah you're right, been to Palace, West Bromwich, Stoke, Newcastle, Chelsea, Everton, Southampton, Bournemouth, Arsenal, Manchester City, Leicester the only ones I'm looking forward to are Liverpool, Manchester Utd, West Ham and Spurs but the White Hart Lane has gone and West Ham.has been moved to a Monday night totally messing it up. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2017 23:14:53 GMT 1
Yeah but other clubs give priority to fans who attend away games. Leeds do and I know a lot of the other big clubs do too who have big away followings. Got to earn your stripes mate. How can anybody earn any stripes if they are not high up the current priority list? The current priority list doesn't take account of me watching Town home and away since 1962-3. My arms are really stripey. Do I get a demerit point for overwatching - like give everybody else a turn. Some people will though as not everyone will want to go to every away game, so lower categories will get chance. The club need to make a note of who has travelled and to how many games. I'm priority 1 but I won't be going to games like Bournemouth and Southampton as I just can't be arsed travelling all that way. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2017 23:57:37 GMT 1
Knock that TOT bollocks out and I don't have a problem with any of the Priority tiers. £20 equating to years of support. Absolute crap. Agree exactly with this.Been going home and away for 50 yrs and means nowt for the sake of £20.Just have to watch on the telly. sean.jarvis@htafc.com tell him how much you appreciate your decades of loyal support through thin and thinner being valued less than a £20 note or agreeing to move seats. the more people who tell him this, the more likely they are to realise what a mess theyve made of it and actually put something fair into practice. |
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Post by willo on Jul 15, 2017 23:57:57 GMT 1
Knock that TOT bollocks out and I don't have a problem with any of the Priority tiers. £20 equating to years of support. Absolute crap. If this is what it boils down to, then it's hard to argue with the above. |
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Post by willo on Jul 16, 2017 0:02:11 GMT 1
Agree exactly with this.Been going home and away for 50 yrs and means nowt for the sake of £20.Just have to watch on the telly. Seriously, the woh is me phenomenon is fucking boring. What an easy life we all have and still moan and whinge like big fat girls. Imagine the lazy fat arses living in Africa with genuine hardship. Strange comment, very strange. Maybe put it down to one glass of claret too many? |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Jul 16, 2017 0:19:22 GMT 1
What are the grounds that everybody is getting a hard on over visiting anyway? We've been to pretty much all of them at some point haven't we?. Burton away last season was one I was looking forward to more than any this, and even that turned out to be pretty shit. I find it bizarre that folk in category three are moaning about owt. They will get any tickets they want. Was all so much simpler to get tickets for Macclesfield  |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Jul 16, 2017 0:22:06 GMT 1
Agree exactly with this.Been going home and away for 50 yrs and means nowt for the sake of £20.Just have to watch on the telly. sean.jarvis@htafc.com tell him how much you appreciate your decades of loyal support through thin and thinner being valued less than a £20 note or agreeing to move seats. the more people who tell him this, the more likely they are to realise what a mess theyve made of it and actually put something fair into practice. Are you category three? If you are then put your chuffing dummy back in and enjoy the bloody season. I bet Hoyle wished he hadn't even bothered  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 0:53:28 GMT 1
I can't agree with your view on ToT, if you are interested in away/cup priority why would you not pay the club £20 to acknowledge & administer it? People want the club to offer low cost, but this is criticised as too low. I agree regarding 10 year season ticket holders, P2 is more appropriate than P3 in my opinion. Suggest you write to the club on that one as they said will be reviewed, but I think they are trying to respect away priority with P2. The problem is, if you don't accept the clubs ToT concept you were inevitably going to be disappointed when it counted. You only needed TOT for how many games last season? 2 or 3 maybe? Any fan could have gone to the vast majority of away games without being a member. If fans were willing to pay £20 to give them a guarantee of a ticket in those 2 or 3 games, then thats fine, no problem with that. They will have got their ticket and gone to those games- so money well spent. there was certainly no 'inevitability' that this would mean those not buying one would be excluded from following town in the prem division!!! To use TOT as the basis to rate fans on whether they are able to watch Town away in this totally unpredicted, possibly one off, premier division season is outrageous IMO. one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe! the club say they started with the 10 year SC holders as the starting point- well theyre talking rubbish, as well over 3/4s of those fans will be as low as cat 3 and stand very little ( none in truth ) chance of getting a ticket for all the biggest games. Ive been in contact with Sean jarvis today and whilst i appreciate him replying a couple of times, he basically hasn't got an answer to the points I made, other than it will be reviewed as the season goes on in consultation with the ATT, whatever use they are as they presumably think the £20 TOT over rides decades of support too. I would agree "one payment of £20 in our best season in 45 years is supposed to indicate more loyalty and be more deserving than DECADES of support through mostly bleak times and hundreds of away games??? Absolute tripe!" if that were true, but it isn't! ToT has to be seen in context. Yes, I acquired it to guarantee my option to attend those few away games that might be too popular. Although I did most away games, I didn't use my option when most needed, to go to Burton. Although I have had season tickets for all but 15 years from 1969 to now, I have not previously had B&W or Patrons because I do not wish what is included in those packages. I am happy to cycle to contribute to the academy or pay into charities etc. but not such as gambling. If ToT was introduced from ATT, which I have stated in threads I am happy for them to represent me, then great. It was the first time ticket priority was not packaged and I expected to pay every year. The club clearly thought ticket priority a modest part of the B&W & Patrons packages and assumed people would be happy to pay £20 into ToT, but changed it due to objections. They have possibly canceled their ToT plans due to those objections, but for all we know may well yet ask for annual payment. Surely the club would not wish to disrespect ToT members by excluding them from the benefits envisaged for last year's other ticket priority packages. If the club continues with ToT or some other scheme that does not include e.g. gambling etc. I will pay anything from £20 to £300 while season cards are £199 ish, but ATT no doubt support low cost ticket priority. They can equally count away attendance for me, but that's currently unrealistic and surely it's reasonable for the club to charge for administration of away ticket priority as the 5% margin pays for naff all. |
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Post by isleofmanterrier on Jul 16, 2017 0:54:58 GMT 1
Not quite fitting to the topic but didn't want to start another thread. What's the situation with home tickets for a non sc holder? Much chance of getting a ticket? Haven't had a sc for years due to my job so previous booking history limited unless they keep records from years ago.
Can sc holders purchase a ticket for someone?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 1:05:54 GMT 1
Not quite fitting to the topic but didn't want to start another thread. What's the situation with home tickets for a non sc holder? Much chance of getting a ticket? Haven't had a sc for years due to my job so previous booking history limited unless they keep records from years ago. Can sc holders purchase a ticket for someone? There will be ticket trade when season card holders don't attend. |
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Post by hd2 on Jul 16, 2017 1:12:30 GMT 1
Not quite fitting to the topic but didn't want to start another thread. What's the situation with home tickets for a non sc holder? Much chance of getting a ticket? Haven't had a sc for years due to my job so previous booking history limited unless they keep records from years ago. Can sc holders purchase a ticket for someone? There will be ticket trade when season card holders don't attend. Plus theres numerous blocks in the FML that haven't been sold which will be available. |
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