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Post by midge on Jul 17, 2017 21:56:00 GMT 1
Stayed out of it so far but here's my twopenneth! I think the quote about the Newcastle game is being massively overplayed- think some will have bought it for that reason but a tiny minority! I suspect the majority of people who forked out for TOT were regular away fans who were worried that they were not going to be able to get tickets! In my opinion the £20 cost for TOT is pretty irrelevant!! Rightly or wrongly it is probably the only data the club have as to those people who are potentially committed to away game in the recent past. We would all love to go back in time and for the club to have some kind of data and points system on those who bought away tickets, but they don't!! Not sure if it has been mentioned but this is probably down to cost - it's alright fans saying they should have it but they didn't!! For the sake of clarity, I am cat one but my son is Cat 3 so effectively I am cat 3 as I'm not gonna buy tickets just for myself without him!! There was no reason to fear for away tickets for most games. We went to about 10 away games, no TOT, the only one we couldn't get was Sheff Wed play offs, and suspected Newcastle/Villa may be difficult too. In hindsight there wasn't but some people still made a monetary commitment to make sure this was never an issue and joined a scheme which was trackable to do so! |
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Post by thehitcher on Jul 17, 2017 22:07:27 GMT 1
I would have thought the 10 year season tickets would come in at level 3. Wouldn't that make sense? They do, if the holder wasn't a patron, b&w member or ToT member last season. Sorry I meant 10 years would come in at level 3 Then the current level 3 becomes level 4 and so on im disappointed as anyone that the years going to lovely grounds as saletrgrate, paying then rip off prices at Sheff u in league 1, paying £36 at Leeds a few times (not to mention enduring Doncaster/ Cardiff away under bobbins and Powell ) won't help but I loved those memories and hopefully I will be able to get a ticket to anfield |
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Post by mezz60 on Jul 17, 2017 22:22:05 GMT 1
I simply cannot understand why some folk are against ToT being priority. It is the only thing which relates to away games and those who spent £20 on that last year got only 1 game of benefit - play off v Shef Wed. It seems perfectly reasonable to use that as one of the measures to allocate priority to away supporters. I say this without bias because I was not a ToT member last season and also have a missing season recently as I didn't have a SC for financial reasons in 2015-16 so am priority 4.no bitterness here - no complaints about the club because what they have done seems fair. Three of the people I go with are ToT members and have been SC holders for over 10 years and been to more games than me in that time. I've been to way more in the while if my life as I went to approx 35-40 games a season for most of the period 1978 to 1993 but they are young and deserve the priority for their recent investment. People paid that £20 because they were worried about not getting a Newcastle ticket. It was basically a premium charge for the Newcastle game To now base priority off a tiny investment like that doesn't seem too fair imo Not quite right I bought aToT ticket to guarantee a ticket for the Burton Albion game I knew it had a small capacity and it was the only ground in the championship I hadn't been to Everybody had the opportunity to buy one and has already been mentioned If you go to away games on a regular basis I cannot understand why they didn't get one no use crying about it now Probably the best £20 I've spent on football  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 17, 2017 23:43:17 GMT 1
Jesus wept. Youre just telling me whats happened. I know whats fucking happened! Im talking about whether its right and fair or not. You make your commitment for last season- and unbeknown to yourself and anyone else, you get rewarded for this season too because we went up. Do you think that £20 commitment ( which in truth you didn't even need to go to practically every away game) is worth more than decades of support home and away? The club do. You seem to. i don't think it is- how fucking difficult is that to understand? Decades of support?? So you want the old buggers to have priority over the younger fans - you philistine. The club have introduced a system, that recognises those fans that made a commitment and desire to attend away games last season, and combined that to allow fans old and new to go to away games. It's about as fair as it gets, given the information and history that the club have at hand. Right, so in your head £20 is more of a commitment than decades of support home and away? Thats 'as fair as it gets'? Utter horse shit. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 17, 2017 23:52:53 GMT 1
Smug has reached fever pitch on this thread.. happy to stay at home and leave you to it
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2017 0:00:18 GMT 1
Smug has reached fever pitch on this thread.. happy to stay at home and leave you to it Smugness, a complete lack of empathy and a jawdropping sense of entitlement because they paid £20 for something they barely needed. Whatever... the club will do as they see fit and there'll be winners and losers i guess. Time to move on as this is getting very divisive but changes nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 0:09:57 GMT 1
Decades of support?? So you want the old buggers to have priority over the younger fans - you philistine. The club have introduced a system, that recognises those fans that made a commitment and desire to attend away games last season, and combined that to allow fans old and new to go to away games. It's about as fair as it gets, given the information and history that the club have at hand. Right, so in your head £20 is more of a commitment than decades of support home and away? Thats 'as fair as it gets'? Utter horse shit. Everybody had an equal opportunity to opt for b&w, Patrons or TOT for ticketing priority, but some put more importance on criticising the new introduction of ToT than they did on ensuring they had priority. If you didn't show your hand in valueing priority at a mere £20 how are the club to know that you were just being a clever dick in not opting for ToT when it actually meant so much more to you? You made your choice, stop bitching about it, because you are starting to look really stupid for intelligent bloke! |
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Post by macdaddyterrier on Jul 18, 2017 0:35:02 GMT 1
I bought TOT mainly because I felt £179 was cheap and I was happy to pay £199 for a season card. Whilst I go to away games I don't think I got anything from TOT other than giving the club some extra money.
Obviously very happy with the outcome now.
It's probably easy for me to say, but I honestly think the club has tried to deliver a system whereby there is something for everyone and on the whole it is pretty fair. No matter what happened they were going to get abuse.
I also think Mel has nailed it with his summary that the club has rewarded fans who placed a financial importance on away priority for this seasons away priority.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 1:16:23 GMT 1
Paying £20 for away priority last season shouldn't guarantee you to be ahead in the queue this season. As ever, the club got two things right and one thing terribly wrong.
Happy that those dedicated fans who've had ST's for donkeys years to be at the front. As with BWF. However, I know a fan who went to 18 away games last time out and is priority 4 because they missed one season working weekends. Behind people who went to the odd game who paid £20 for one season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 1:56:39 GMT 1
Paying £20 for away priority last season shouldn't guarantee you to be ahead in the queue this season. As ever, the club got two things right and one thing terribly wrong. Happy that those dedicated fans who've had ST's for donkeys years to be at the front. As with BWF. However, I know a fan who went to 18 away games last time out and is priority 4 because they missed one season working weekends. Behind people who went to the odd game who paid £20 for one season. The club don't know I went to more than 18 away last season, but they do know I place a priority on going away because I, like many others, opted for one of the 3 priority offers. Added to 10 plus years of season tickets that makes me priority 1. Some call it being smug, I call it being sensible, to accept the club plans instead of criticising them. They have business to run & from what I can see are doing a damn good job of it (nice as shirts as well, even if they do have a shit plastic sponsor stuck on)! |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2017 7:17:12 GMT 1
Decades of support?? So you want the old buggers to have priority over the younger fans - you philistine. The club have introduced a system, that recognises those fans that made a commitment and desire to attend away games last season, and combined that to allow fans old and new to go to away games. It's about as fair as it gets, given the information and history that the club have at hand. Right, so in your head £20 is more of a commitment than decades of support home and away? Thats 'as fair as it gets'? Utter horse shit. You know they have no information on decades of away support so its utterly worthless trying to factor it in. I think it's fair that newer fans as well as older ones get the chance to move up the priority ladder, yes. And those "newer" fans will still have had to had a SC through a period when we were relatively difficult to watch, so it's not like they've just jumped on the bandwagon. Lets not forget, long standing fans who chose a ticket priority scheme are in the top category, so they club have recognised those. It's unfair to you, because it doesn't suit you. Simple as that. |
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Post by jimmymac on Jul 18, 2017 7:43:48 GMT 1
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Post by mids on Jul 18, 2017 8:30:41 GMT 1
The club don't have historical data for previous seasons, for a number of reasons.
They've chosen this path, and they deem it to be fair. It isn't perfect, and the £20 queue jumping tariff does stick in a few people's throats....and perhaps rightly so.
Hopefully going forward better data can be collated and that can be factored in to our future seasons in the Premier League, and then these grievances won't continue to fester.
Perhaps, they could have simply made all away tickets a first come first served free for all? At least all fans (be they young, old, dedicated, long suffering or johnny come latelys) would then have had equal opportunity.
But they didn't. So be it. It won't bother me as I wasn't planning on visiting any away games anyway. BEIN Sports will do just fine for me this season.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2017 8:33:01 GMT 1
I bought TOT mainly because I felt £179 was cheap and I was happy to pay £199 for a season card. Whilst I go to away games I don't think I got anything from TOT other than giving the club some extra money. Obviously very happy with the outcome now. It's probably easy for me to say, but I honestly think the club has tried to deliver a system whereby there is something for everyone and on the whole it is pretty fair. No matter what happened they were going to get abuse. I also think Mel has nailed it with his summary that the club has rewarded fans who placed a financial importance on away priority for this seasons away priority.I must be stupid but I haven't got a fucking clue what this means |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2017 8:35:19 GMT 1
Right, so in your head £20 is more of a commitment than decades of support home and away? Thats 'as fair as it gets'? Utter horse shit. You know they have no information on decades of away support so its utterly worthless trying to factor it in. I think it's fair that newer fans as well as older ones get the chance to move up the priority ladder, yes. And those "newer" fans will still have had to had a SC through a period when we were relatively difficult to watch, so it's not like they've just jumped on the bandwagon. Lets not forget, long standing fans who chose a ticket priority scheme are in the top category, so they club have recognised those. It's unfair to you, because it doesn't suit you. Simple as that. Or maybe it's fair to you because it does suit you. ? Enjoy your away days ... all us cat 3s and 4s can all comfort ourselves by the fact you will get bored again when we start losing |
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Post by macdaddyterrier on Jul 18, 2017 8:35:59 GMT 1
I bought TOT mainly because I felt £179 was cheap and I was happy to pay £199 for a season card. Whilst I go to away games I don't think I got anything from TOT other than giving the club some extra money. Obviously very happy with the outcome now. It's probably easy for me to say, but I honestly think the club has tried to deliver a system whereby there is something for everyone and on the whole it is pretty fair. No matter what happened they were going to get abuse. I also think Mel has nailed it with his summary that the club has rewarded fans who placed a financial importance on away priority for this seasons away priority.I must be stupid but I haven't got a fucking clue what this means It probably doesn't actually mean anything Ted so don't worry yourself, and certainly don't call yourself stupid over it |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 18, 2017 8:43:46 GMT 1
I couldn't give damn what others thought, for someone like me who goes to loads of away games, but pay on the day, ToT was a no brainer last season. I'd have thought someone so committed to the club would have realised buying away tickets through the ticket office and not pay on the day was better for HTFC  Not sure what the percentage is Town receive for selling away tickets but you may have ended up costing the club more than your £20 ToT fee |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 18, 2017 8:59:31 GMT 1
You know they have no information on decades of away support so its utterly worthless trying to factor it in. I think it's fair that newer fans as well as older ones get the chance to move up the priority ladder, yes. And those "newer" fans will still have had to had a SC through a period when we were relatively difficult to watch, so it's not like they've just jumped on the bandwagon. Lets not forget, long standing fans who chose a ticket priority scheme are in the top category, so they club have recognised those. It's unfair to you, because it doesn't suit you. Simple as that. Or maybe it's fair to you because it does suit you. ? Enjoy your away days ... all us cat 3s and 4s can all comfort ourselves by the fact you will get bored again when we start losing prove to me by using facts that the priority one group is made up of people who do not regularly travel away.... prove to me using facts rather than a sneer that all those in priority one will 'get bored' and stop going when/if we start losing.. prove using a single fucking fact rather than a clever arse sneer that there will not be a majority of long time home/away fans in priority one applications for away tickets next season??? I attend regularly with up to 20 priority holders, home and away.. I bet you dont know 20 cat 3/cat4 people who you claim to be the spokesman for.. still absolutely no evidence that the away sections next season wont be heavily populated by town fans who who done the 'hard miles', no evidence whatso fucking ever.. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2017 9:06:55 GMT 1
I must be stupid but I haven't got a fucking clue what this means It probably doesn't actually mean anything Ted so don't worry yourself, and certainly don't call yourself stupid over it No no ... I've seen a few people try to explain to everyone how paying the club 20 pounds last season for something that was never needed all season was A) a no brainer B indicative of the fact you are a more loyal supporter and C that this elevated loyalty justifies moving up a pecking order for away tickets in our first season in the top flight in 45 years Now none of the above makes the slightest bit of sense to me But You ( seemingly all people who paid the "wonka 20" ) keep trotting it out with such messianic zeal im at the point where I feel either I'm nuts or you are |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 18, 2017 9:08:15 GMT 1
Or maybe it's fair to you because it does suit you. ? Enjoy your away days ... all us cat 3s and 4s can all comfort ourselves by the fact you will get bored again when we start losing prove to me by using facts that the priority one group is made up of people who do not regularly travel away.... prove to me using facts rather than a sneer that all those in priority one will 'get bored' and stop going when/if we start losing.. prove using a single fucking fact rather than a clever arse sneer that there will not be a majority of long time home/away fans in priority one applications for away tickets next season??? I attend regularly with up to 20 priority holders, home and away.. I bet you dont know 20 cat 3/cat4 people who you claim to be the spokesman for.. still absolutely no evidence that the away sections next season wont be heavily populated by town fans who who done the 'hard miles', no evidence whatso fucking ever.. Don't you dare EVER use the word "sneer" when pointing it in my direction Mr Smug |
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Post by macdaddyterrier on Jul 18, 2017 9:18:05 GMT 1
It probably doesn't actually mean anything Ted so don't worry yourself, and certainly don't call yourself stupid over it No no ... I've seen a few people try to explain to everyone how paying the club 20 pounds last season for something that was never needed all season was A) a no brainer B indicative of the fact you are a more loyal supporter and C that this elevated loyalty justifies moving up a pecking order for away tickets in our first season in the top flight in 45 years Now none of the above makes the slightest bit of sense to me But You ( seemingly all people who paid the "wonka 20" ) keep trotting it out with such messianic zeal im at the point where I feel either I'm nuts or you are I know it's not a perfect solution but I think the clubs thoughts have been along the following lines.... At the start of last season we'd sold 15,000 season cards, indicating the clubs fanbase had grown. The club acknowledged the increased fanbase (along with a much improved style of football) may increase the appetitive for attending away games. To help, the club added a third option of away ticket priority (TOT) to compliment the patrons and B&W foundation. Fans who signed up to TOT (or indeed B&W Foundation or Patrons) acknowledged that this would help them secure away tickets, as those fans consider away tickets to be important to them. The club acknowledged that the fans who signed up to a form of away priority consider away tickets important and acknowledged that they had made additional contributions to the club for the privilege of a high level priority of away ticket. The club has accommodated those who have actively signed up to the schemes (actively indicating to the club that away games are important to them) and given them an increased level of priority. |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2017 9:22:41 GMT 1
You know they have no information on decades of away support so its utterly worthless trying to factor it in. I think it's fair that newer fans as well as older ones get the chance to move up the priority ladder, yes. And those "newer" fans will still have had to had a SC through a period when we were relatively difficult to watch, so it's not like they've just jumped on the bandwagon. Lets not forget, long standing fans who chose a ticket priority scheme are in the top category, so they club have recognised those. It's unfair to you, because it doesn't suit you. Simple as that. Or maybe it's fair to you because it does suit you. ? Enjoy your away days ... all us cat 3s and 4s can all comfort ourselves by the fact you will get bored again when we start losing Not planning on doing many Ted. Southampton is one I've pencilled in, the rest, I might try and get to one or two. I'm just trying to offer a viewpoint of those that haven't had the opportunity to support the club for 30 years, but in the time they have, they've done whatever they can to ensure they can get to as many games as possible. |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 18, 2017 9:27:42 GMT 1
Paying £20 for away priority last season shouldn't guarantee you to be ahead in the queue this season. As ever, the club got two things right and one thing terribly wrong.
Happy that those dedicated fans who've had ST's for donkeys years to be at the front. As with BWF. However, I know a fan who went to 18 away games last time out and is priority 4 because they missed one season working weekends. Behind people who went to the odd game who paid £20 for one season. You're right it shouldn't, but I look at it this way. They would still somehow have to reduce the numbers so had they introduced the ToT scheme again this season I'd like to think that the 1st people they would offer it to is those that bought into the idea last season. Had this happened no doubt we would all still be in the same boat as we are now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 9:27:51 GMT 1
No no ... I've seen a few people try to explain to everyone how paying the club 20 pounds last season for something that was never needed all season was A) a no brainer B indicative of the fact you are a more loyal supporter and C that this elevated loyalty justifies moving up a pecking order for away tickets in our first season in the top flight in 45 years Now none of the above makes the slightest bit of sense to me But You ( seemingly all people who paid the "wonka 20" ) keep trotting it out with such messianic zeal im at the point where I feel either I'm nuts or you are I know it's not a perfect solution but I think the clubs thoughts have been along the following lines.... At the start of last season we'd sold 15,000 season cards, indicating the clubs fanbase had grown. The club acknowledged the increased fanbase (along with a much improved style of football) may increase the appetitive for attending away games. To help, the club added a third option of away ticket priority (TOT) to compliment the patrons and B&W foundation. Fans who signed up to TOT (or indeed B&W Foundation or Patrons) acknowledged that this would help them secure away tickets, as those fans consider away tickets to be important to them. The club acknowledged that the fans who signed up to a form of away priority consider away tickets important and acknowledged that they had made additional contributions to the club for the privilege of a high level priority of away ticket. The club has accommodated those who have actively signed up to the schemes (actively indicating to the club that away games are important to them) and given them an increased level of priority. Not sure it was initially meant to compliment B&W and Patrons. As I recall there was outrage that TOT would trump both with priority. A quick turnabout resulted in all three having equal status. A near tearful B&W rep told me she was concerned with accusations of misleading info on their literature. |
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Post by twang on Jul 18, 2017 9:37:17 GMT 1
Anyone joining the TOT last season got the £20 back if they used the clubs Terrier Travel because of a discounted price for the away games.
So some lucky people might be P1 for no extra cost,not that it bothers me just thought I would stick my oar in.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 18, 2017 9:43:06 GMT 1
prove to me by using facts that the priority one group is made up of people who do not regularly travel away.... prove to me using facts rather than a sneer that all those in priority one will 'get bored' and stop going when/if we start losing.. prove using a single fucking fact rather than a clever arse sneer that there will not be a majority of long time home/away fans in priority one applications for away tickets next season??? I attend regularly with up to 20 priority holders, home and away.. I bet you dont know 20 cat 3/cat4 people who you claim to be the spokesman for.. still absolutely no evidence that the away sections next season wont be heavily populated by town fans who who done the 'hard miles', no evidence whatso fucking ever.. Don't you dare EVER use the word "sneer" when pointing it in my direction Mr Smug every post has a sneer in it somewhere.. I was quite openly calling people moaning c-nts.. no sneer, no smugness just calling it as it is.. if you really want the club to read through everyones 3 page history of 'following town' and the reasons they missed a year here or there or didnt buy into a scheme then we would never get any system up and running at all.. At least 2 possibly 3 who go with us will miss out on some games this season, they have been going since the 70s, they are not moaning or gnashing their teeth, its the way it is for this momentus season and falling out with the club wont make any difference. I am not calling those who have had a moan 'non supporters' like you and others have with the priority section, just unlucky but thats life.. told you before I have no reason to be 'smug' im missing half the bloody season anyway, should I write to the club and ask for half my money back or to give them the heads up for 3/4 years time when I get back so I can 'keep' my priority? ? I 'dare' to use the word sneer, its what you do.. thanks for providing the evidence that huge numbers of 'part timers and the less entitled' will be filling all the away seats, your argument is bollox and hypocritical at best.. |
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Post by runner76 on Jul 18, 2017 9:44:44 GMT 1
I know we are in the PL, but do we really think that every - every - away game will be a sellout!? Surely not?...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 10:00:22 GMT 1
I know we are in the PL, but do we really think that every - every - away game will be a sellout!? Surely not?... The only ones that won't are Southampton, Brighton and Swansea. Maybe West ham too given it's a Monday night on sky |
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Post by space hardware on Jul 18, 2017 10:01:38 GMT 1
I know we are in the PL, but do we really think that every - every - away game will be a sellout!? Surely not?... The only ones that won't are Southampton, Brighton and Swansea. Maybe West ham too given it's a Monday night on sky I'd maybe stick WBA in there too as it's a bit of a "meh" place. |
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Post by runner76 on Jul 18, 2017 10:03:36 GMT 1
Right, tickets for Saints, Swans, Gulls and Baggies it is then!!!! |
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