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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 18, 2017 10:08:23 GMT 1
We've got Southampton away the Saturday before Christmas. Fill your boots lads and lasses. Can see tickets going on general sale for that one, so the moaners will get their chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 10:12:46 GMT 1
I couldn't give damn what others thought, for someone like me who goes to loads of away games, but pay on the day, ToT was a no brainer last season. I'd have thought someone so committed to the club would have realised buying away tickets through the ticket office and not pay on the day was better for HTFC  Not sure what the percentage is Town receive for selling away tickets but you may have ended up costing the club more than your £20 ToT fee  I know that, it's 5% on away tickets, e.g. £1. They don't exactly generate profit from that. For me, if I buy from the club & can't go I've lost typically £20, last season I intended going to Burton & Villa, but on the day too busy at work! Life's shit isn't it, but best thing is deal with it in context. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 18, 2017 10:34:22 GMT 1
I'd have thought someone so committed to the club would have realised buying away tickets through the ticket office and not pay on the day was better for HTFC Not sure what the percentage is Town receive for selling away tickets but you may have ended up costing the club more than your £20 ToT fee I know that, it's 5% on away tickets, e.g. £1. They don't exactly generate profit from that. For me, if I buy from the club & can't go I've lost typically £20, last season I intended going to Burton & Villa, but on the day too busy at work! Life's shit isn't it, but best thing is deal with it in context. So I presume you'll be buying on the day again this year, just in case you're busy at work and can't make it after having bought a ticket in advance |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 10:48:43 GMT 1
Paying £20 for away priority last season shouldn't guarantee you to be ahead in the queue this season. As ever, the club got two things right and one thing terribly wrong. Happy that those dedicated fans who've had ST's for donkeys years to be at the front. As with BWF. However, I know a fan who went to 18 away games last time out and is priority 4 because they missed one season working weekends. Behind people who went to the odd game who paid £20 for one season. The club don't know I went to more than 18 away last season, but they do know I place a priority on going away because I, like many others, opted for one of the 3 priority offers. Added to 10 plus years of season tickets that makes me priority 1. Some call it being smug, I call it being sensible, to accept the club plans instead of criticising them. They have business to run & from what I can see are doing a damn good job of it (nice as shirts as well, even if they do have a shit plastic sponsor stuck on)! I'll continue to criticise the club where they deserve criticism. And this is one. They should've had a system already in place and they've shafted many fans by not having one in place. As ever, the club just come over as inconsistent and unprofessional on occasion. See the launch of the new electric hoop kit. I have nothing against those who could give 10+ years buying season tickets being at the front of the queue or those who have had BWF for a long long time. But one season of a £20 membership - doesn't cut it for me and many other people. Oh and the home shirt is horrible. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 18, 2017 10:53:53 GMT 1
The only ones that won't are Southampton, Brighton and Swansea. Maybe West ham too given it's a Monday night on sky I'd maybe stick WBA in there too as it's a bit of a "meh" place. Always enjoyed The Hawthorns and it's been a while |
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 18, 2017 11:19:48 GMT 1
What a farce.
I sit alongside a group of 5 who collectively have over 100 years of continuous season card loyalty and in so doing have spent 10s of thousands of pounds supporting HTAFC. Like me, they attend away games too, including over half of the games last season. They are not B&W, Patrons or ToT and so are category 3 and likely to miss out on the biggest away games.
I would like Sean or Dean to come out and say that they have knowingly put a £20 ToT membership for LAST season ahead of this group of people in terms of priority for away games. I say this because I genuinely believe that an unintended error has been made and that had Dean or others really appreciated the consequences of their approach they would have done something different.
I know Sean reads these pages so if it was intentional to place these loyal supporters in Priority 3 I would like to know what his message is to this (and other similar) groups of individuals - and telling them it was a difficult decision just won't cut the ice.
If it was an error it's not too late to put it right.
The club could do the decent thing and put the 'non ToT' 10 year SC Priority 3 brigade into Priority 1 and let them compete on equal terms for tickets with those that paid the £20.
I'm Priority 4 by the way which I have no problem with.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:42:28 GMT 1
When are we going to see the club badge changed with the words and numbers "established 2008" on it? All this loyal to "Sir Deean" BS is just that. Out of the 23yrs we've been at the stadium I've had a ST for 16 of them, 27 out of the 40yrs I've watched I've had a ST, seen us play in 80 grounds and been away from home over 400 times, had a ST last year and a TOT but because I haven't had one for the last 10 I'm not a loyal fan. All the time and money spent supporting this club all over the country when we were really shit counts for nothing with Dean Hoyle. He needs to realise how much of his hard-core fan base who have followed Town to all 4 corners of this country he's alienating. There are a lot of pissed off people who if it all goes tits up will not be venturing back down to the stadium. You reap what you sow Mr Hoyle. Don't bite the hand that feeds you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:49:42 GMT 1
I'd maybe stick WBA in there too as it's a bit of a "meh" place. Always enjoyed The Hawthorns and it's been a while Me too. Don't know if it still exists, but there's a cracking pub just a stones throw away that welcomes home and away and used to have about 10 blokes slaving over hot stoves out the back, serving up curry for a couple of quid. Edit: Google Maps is awesome.... www.thevine.co.uk This place is a MUST visit pre match. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:49:56 GMT 1
When are we going to see the club badge changed with the words and numbers "established 2008" on it? All this loyal to "Sir Deean" BS is just that. Out of the 23yrs we've been at the stadium I've had a ST for 16 of them, 27 out of the 40yrs I've watched I've had a ST, seen us play in 80 grounds and been away from home over 400 times, had a ST last year and a TOT but because I haven't had one for the last 10 I'm not a loyal fan. All the time and money spent supporting this club all over the country when we were really shit counts for nothing with Dean Hoyle. He needs to realise how much of his hard-core fan base who have followed Town to all 4 corners of this country he's alienating. There are a lot of pissed off people who if it all goes tits up will not be venturing back down to the stadium. You reap what you sow Mr Hoyle. Don't bite the hand that feeds you Oh do please fuck off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:00:03 GMT 1
When are we going to see the club badge changed with the words and numbers "established 2008" on it? All this loyal to "Sir Deean" BS is just that. Out of the 23yrs we've been at the stadium I've had a ST for 16 of them, 27 out of the 40yrs I've watched I've had a ST, seen us play in 80 grounds and been away from home over 400 times, had a ST last year and a TOT but because I haven't had one for the last 10 I'm not a loyal fan. All the time and money spent supporting this club all over the country when we were really shit counts for nothing with Dean Hoyle. He needs to realise how much of his hard-core fan base who have followed Town to all 4 corners of this country he's alienating. There are a lot of pissed off people who if it all goes tits up will not be venturing back down to the stadium. You reap what you sow Mr Hoyle. Don't bite the hand that feeds you Oh do please fuck off. Thanks for your input, very intelligent. Just the sort of reply I'd expect from a prick like you |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 18, 2017 12:01:51 GMT 1
What a farce. I sit alongside a group of 5 who collectively have over 100 years of continuous season card loyalty and in so doing have spent 10s of thousands of pounds supporting HTAFC. Like me, they attend away games too, including over half of the games last season. They are not B&W, Patrons or ToT and so are category 3 and likely to miss out on the biggest away games. I would like Sean or Dean to come out and say that they have knowingly put a £20 ToT membership for LAST season ahead of this group of people in terms of priority for away games. I say this because I genuinely believe that an unintended error has been made and that had Dean or others really appreciated the consequences of their approach they would have done something different. I know Sean reads these pages so if it was intentional to place these loyal supporters in Priority 3 I would like to know what his message is to this (and other similar) groups of individuals - and telling them it was a difficult decision just won't cut the ice. If it was an error it's not too late to put it right. Whilst I disagree with the decision, it would now be unfair to remove those 10 year SC holders with ToT from Priority 1. But the club could put the 'non ToT' 10 year Priority 3 brigade into Priority 1 and let them compete on equal terms for tickets. I'm Priority 4 by the way which I have no problem with. I do have some sympathy regarding a one off payment from last season but I have to ask as to why these people never joined the foundation? If they attended half the away games last season they paid a great deal of money into other clubs but didnt 'invest' in ours whilst thousands did? I attended over half the away games last season and probably more the seasons before that but still paid into the foundation for the clubs good and my own benefit re priority away/cup tickets etc.. I dont believe I will be better off than all of your group mentioned or many of the others who post about attending all over the country but never becoming members of anything at Town.. The argument still stands that if you pay for away games instead of paying into the foundation you are making a choice with your money.. The loyalty isnt an argument its a choice.. One reasonably expensive away day for one person is a years subscription.. I firmly believe a lot of people who could afford a season card but could not afford a load of expensive away trips have contributed via the 8 quid a month which is easier to finance than one big pay out in the hope of a big cup tie or one big away game.. The club has needed all types of supporters over the years and financially it has always needed those that pay in to our 'funds' more than ever... The 20 quid TOT thing might well be arguable but a lot who joined seemed to be under the impression, stated or not, that it gave them more chance of an away ticket should the impossible happen, which it did.. plus they have to be 10 year sc holders to boot.. If you are blaming the club for giving the wrong impression last year then everyone made a decision either to buy or not to buy TOT using their own initiative...If they change it then the other half will complain that they misinterpreted the scheme and its the clubs fault.. bottom line is its too late for this season, the club cant win.. |
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Post by softboy on Jul 18, 2017 12:07:34 GMT 1
well i've had a season ticket for 23 of the 23 years you say we have been at the current stadium - a patron since it more or less started - and attend about 80/90 percent of away games and i'm in priority 1 - seems fair to me
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Post by El Mel on Jul 18, 2017 12:09:28 GMT 1
Didn't realise Dean Hoyle only got interested in Town in 2008.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:09:36 GMT 1
Thanks for your input, very intelligent. Just the sort of reply I'd expect from a prick like you I like how you edited your original post to insult me some more! But, apologies - my abuse was uncalled for. However, the simple maths dictates that a system needed devising and it was never going to suit anyone. Personally, I'm a persona non grata. I had season tickets over 20 years ago before I started working the turnstiles on match days. I then moved away aged 18 and have been to shed loads of southern matches (living in Hants) but have always paid on the gate or met mates who've got me a ticket in advance when they've bought theirs. As I understand it I can't even enter the ballot as I'm not a 'pre-registered' ticket buyer. I'm gutted. But abusing the club and those trying to make a system that will work isn't the answer. |
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Post by irverino on Jul 18, 2017 12:12:12 GMT 1
Most of the TOT members I know, thought it was gonna be scrapped or moved to B&W, they stopped B&W to join in the first place, maybe why it was stopped so quickly. When I joined B&W in 2003, it wasn't to get tickets for Boston away, we were broke!! I do know a lot have joined B&W recently to get priority, maybe if TOT had been reopened for £52 pa it might have been accepted more from all sides?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:16:12 GMT 1
The club can win, by removing last years ToT membership from having a bearing on this years categorisation.
Maybe they should sell another ToT scheme from next season and create a minus 0.5 modifier to the category. Then people would really know what they're getting. Limit it to 1000 sales, and stick a £50 price tag on it for the season. B&WF would be worth a minus 0.5 modifier also, and ONLY apply if you had a live ongoing paid up membership that started before day 1 of the season, and B&WF should be limited membership numbers (it WAS originally?) too.
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Priority 1 - 10 years SC
Priority 2 - 3 years SC
Priority 3 - Current SC
So...someone who bought their first season ticket, would be P3, but they could bump to Priority 2.5 if they paid £50 for a ToT, or priority 2 if they had ToT AND B&WF.
This way, people would be generally categorised according to their season card loyalty, and if they valued away games more than that category and wanted to reduce the risk of missing out, they could pay via a couple of schemes to jump up slightly.
It would of course mean that there are SIX priority levels, but if the windows for sale are clearly communicated then that would be fine, if tickets are sold over a 2-3 week period typically for league games prior to going to ballot / open sale if the ballot doesn't result in sell out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:18:38 GMT 1
Thanks for your input, very intelligent. Just the sort of reply I'd expect from a prick like you I like how you edited your original post to insult me some more! But, apologies - my abuse was uncalled for. However, the simple maths dictates that a system needed devising and it was never going to suit anyone. Personally, I'm a persona non grata. I had season tickets over 20 years ago before I started working the turnstiles on match days. I then moved away aged 18 and have been to shed loads of southern matches (living in Hants) but have always paid on the gate or met mates who've got me a ticket in advance when they've bought theirs. As I understand it I can't even enter the ballot as I'm not a 'pre-registered' ticket buyer. I'm gutted. But abusing the club and those trying to make a system that will work isn't the answer. Take off the "Sir Dean" rosetinted glass for a minute and just see what he's done to the live blood of the clubs support. Just imagine this if he has watched the club as long as he says he has and own it then how would he feel if he couldn't get a ticket? Now we're in the PL it's all about money and fuck the people that were long before him and will be long after him. Or might still be here after him. Leaves a sour taste. And another thing, most of these people put a lot of money into saving this club when it was on its arse so I think me these other people deserve better |
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 18, 2017 12:18:53 GMT 1
What a farce. I sit alongside a group of 5 who collectively have over 100 years of continuous season card loyalty and in so doing have spent 10s of thousands of pounds supporting HTAFC. Like me, they attend away games too, including over half of the games last season. They are not B&W, Patrons or ToT and so are category 3 and likely to miss out on the biggest away games. I would like Sean or Dean to come out and say that they have knowingly put a £20 ToT membership for LAST season ahead of this group of people in terms of priority for away games. I say this because I genuinely believe that an unintended error has been made and that had Dean or others really appreciated the consequences of their approach they would have done something different. I know Sean reads these pages so if it was intentional to place these loyal supporters in Priority 3 I would like to know what his message is to this (and other similar) groups of individuals - and telling them it was a difficult decision just won't cut the ice. If it was an error it's not too late to put it right. Whilst I disagree with the decision, it would now be unfair to remove those 10 year SC holders with ToT from Priority 1. But the club could put the 'non ToT' 10 year Priority 3 brigade into Priority 1 and let them compete on equal terms for tickets. I'm Priority 4 by the way which I have no problem with. I do have some sympathy regarding a one off payment from last season but I have to ask as to why these people never joined the foundation? If they attended half the away games last season they paid a great deal of money into other clubs but didnt 'invest' in ours whilst thousands did? I attended over half the away games last season and probably more the seasons before that but still paid into the foundation for the clubs good and my own benefit re priority away/cup tickets etc.. I dont believe I will be better off than all of your group mentioned or many of the others who post about attending all over the country but never becoming members of anything at Town.. The argument still stands that if you pay for away games instead of paying into the foundation you are making a choice with your money.. The loyalty isnt an argument its a choice.. One reasonably expensive away day for one person is a years subscription.. I firmly believe a lot of people who could afford a season card but could not afford a load of expensive away trips have contributed via the 8 quid a month which is easier to finance than one big pay out in the hope of a big cup tie or one big away game.. The club has needed all types of supporters over the years and financially it has always needed those that pay in to our 'funds' more than ever... The 20 quid TOT thing might well be arguable but a lot who joined seemed to be under the impression, stated or not, that it gave them more chance of an away ticket should the impossible happen, which it did.. plus they have to be 10 year sc holders to boot.. If you are blaming the club for giving the wrong impression last year then everyone made a decision either to buy or not to buy TOT using their own initiative...If they change it then the other half will complain that they misinterpreted the scheme and its the clubs fault.. bottom line is its too late for this season, the club cant win.. The club could cut through this very simply by placing all 10 year SC holders into Priority 1 for 17/18 irrespective of other memberships ...ToT, BWF etc. That treats all 'loyalty' members equally and deals with this upcoming season. The club could then detail NOW how Priority will work for Season 18/19 so that individuals can make financial / membership choices that might place them in a better position for next year. The problem for the upcoming season is that the 'rules and regulations' were put in place after the competiton closed! I understand the circumstances that have brought that about but that is the injustice that many are feeling at the moment. |
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Post by Sir Keith Longbottom on Jul 18, 2017 12:22:21 GMT 1
A system for away tickets priority, that doesn't take in account pervious away ticket purchases is just wrong!
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 18, 2017 12:30:11 GMT 1
well i've had a season ticket for 23 of the 23 years you say we have been at the current stadium - a patron since it more or less started - and attend about 80/90 percent of away games and i'm in priority 1 - seems fair to me ... and so you should be in Priority 1 and I understand why you think that is fair. BUT what has become clear in the last week or so is that being a SC holder is no longer enough to get first priority. I think many Town fans of 10, 20 years and more of continuous support will be surprised at that - especially now that they know that the extra cost could have been as little as £20. No reasonable person can have any gripe with BWF or Patrons that have supported the club 'above and beyond' for many years getting priority. But £20 for one year?? Really? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:32:15 GMT 1
I like how you edited your original post to insult me some more! But, apologies - my abuse was uncalled for. However, the simple maths dictates that a system needed devising and it was never going to suit anyone. Personally, I'm a persona non grata. I had season tickets over 20 years ago before I started working the turnstiles on match days. I then moved away aged 18 and have been to shed loads of southern matches (living in Hants) but have always paid on the gate or met mates who've got me a ticket in advance when they've bought theirs. As I understand it I can't even enter the ballot as I'm not a 'pre-registered' ticket buyer. I'm gutted. But abusing the club and those trying to make a system that will work isn't the answer. Take off the "Sir Dean" rosetinted glass for a minute and just see what he's done to the live blood of the clubs support. Just imagine this if he has watched the club as long as he says he has and own it then how would he feel if he couldn't get a ticket? Now we're in the PL it's all about money and fuck the people that were long before him and will be long after him. Or might still be here after him. Leaves a sour taste. And another thing, most of these people put a lot of money into saving this club when it was on its arse so I think me these other people deserve better All about the money? We get jack shit from away ticket sales and he sold our season tickets for £199! You're an absolute dickhead. If I were him I'd make season tickets £1500 and give only those who bought them any priority. The club is being abused for being so inclusive that we've sold unprecedented numbers of season tickets over the past few years. I admire DH for what he's done but have spent the last 10 years on here being abused for sticking up for Ken Davy. Pick an argument and stick to it FFS. Not sure why you think the club owe you anything. You paid your brass in the past and got entertained. It's like stating you own every James Bond DVD and demanding tickets to the premier of the next one. Even for you you're talking bollocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:38:56 GMT 1
Take off the "Sir Dean" rosetinted glass for a minute and just see what he's done to the live blood of the clubs support. Just imagine this if he has watched the club as long as he says he has and own it then how would he feel if he couldn't get a ticket? Now we're in the PL it's all about money and fuck the people that were long before him and will be long after him. Or might still be here after him. Leaves a sour taste. And another thing, most of these people put a lot of money into saving this club when it was on its arse so I think me these other people deserve better All about the money? We get jack shit from away ticket sales and he sold our season tickets for £199! You're an absolute dickhead. If I were him I'd make season tickets £1500 and give only those who bought them any priority. The club is being abused for being so inclusive that we've sold unprecedented numbers of season tickets over the past few years. I admire DH for what he's done but have spent the last 10 years on here being abused for sticking up for Ken Davy. Pick an argument and stick to it FFS. Not sure why you think the club owe you anything. You paid your brass in the past and got entertained. It's like stating you own every James Bond DVD and demanding tickets to the premier of the next one. Even for you you're talking bollocks. Must you keep on through the personal abuse? Just because you don't agree with me it isn't bollocks. Yes I think I do think the club owe me something. A bit of loyalty back. Putting my hard earned cash into buckets when the club was going busy, following a shit team all over the place. Being entertained? Do me a favour. Attending all but one game in 87/88 and seeing all 28 of our record defeats. So for once shut the fuck up and listen to someone else's opinion. |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 18, 2017 12:45:24 GMT 1
What people don't seem to understand is the club had to get the numbers down somehow.
Other than the system Town have put in right now and given that they claim not to have a decent away ticket record in place then how do you get 15/20k down to 1300(or whatever Bournemouth is.)
Fire away Town fans lets see those ideas and as they used to say in school..show your calculations!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:47:35 GMT 1
What people don't seem to understand is the club had to get the numbers down somehow. Other than the system Town have put in right now and given that they claim not to have a decent away ticket record in place then how do you get 15/20k down to 1300(or whatever Bournemouth is.) Fire away Town fans lets see those ideas and as they used to say in school..show your calculations! First come first served. Everyone has a chance that way |
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Post by StamfordTerrier on Jul 18, 2017 12:49:37 GMT 1
What people don't seem to understand is the club had to get the numbers down somehow. Other than the system Town have put in right now and given that they claim not to have a decent away ticket record in place then how do you get 15/20k down to 1300(or whatever Bournemouth is.) Fire away Town fans lets see those ideas and as they used to say in school..show your calculations! I think most people get your numbers point. My point is... put all the SC holders with 10 years into the same pot and let them compete equally with each other for tickets. Don't give special favours to those who have paid a one off £20... all of the 10 year group are worthy of first priority. |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 18, 2017 12:50:05 GMT 1
What people don't seem to understand is the club had to get the numbers down somehow. Other than the system Town have put in right now and given that they claim not to have a decent away ticket record in place then how do you get 15/20k down to 1300(or whatever Bournemouth is.) Fire away Town fans lets see those ideas and as they used to say in school..show your calculations! First come first served. Everyone has a chance that way Everyone still has a chance through the ballot. Having said that how would you sell tickets, turn up at ticket office,Online, over the phone? Which ever you choose somebody would miss out and claim it unfair |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:50:19 GMT 1
Get your violins out; man who spent years boasting about how he doesn't go to games/pay for tickets, now crying because he's going to struggle to be able to buy tickets for away games and wants some loyalty back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:51:02 GMT 1
First come first served. Everyone has a chance that way Everyone still has a chance through the ballot. Having said that how would you sell tickets, turn up at ticket office,Online, over the phone? Which ever you choose somebody would miss out and claim it unfair All three of them. That's what normally happens |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 12:57:51 GMT 1
What people don't seem to understand is the club had to get the numbers down somehow. Other than the system Town have put in right now and given that they claim not to have a decent away ticket record in place then how do you get 15/20k down to 1300(or whatever Bournemouth is.) Fire away Town fans lets see those ideas and as they used to say in school..show your calculations! First come first served. Everyone has a chance that way One big ballot. No priority. Just pre-register online, over phone or in person for each individual match. 1 ticket available for each person. Tickets drawn, payment taken. No refunds. Everybody equal. Good idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 13:00:41 GMT 1
Get your violins out; man who spent years boasting about how he doesn't go to games/pay for tickets, now crying because he's going to struggle to be able to buy tickets for away games and wants some loyalty back. Years? Haha one season and you believed it all. What a muppet 😂😂😂😂 |
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