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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 30, 2017 17:19:10 GMT 1
£5m for Nahki Wells when nomark defenders are going for £18m. Burnley must be pissing themselves laughing. I'm not. £5 million for an average championship striker would be decent return, especially with only a year on his contract. He is not average and we don't know how good he could be in the Premier League. Burnley are about to find out that he is good enough. Is he going to get 20+ goals, probably not but that would set you back £50-£100m these days. If he chips in here and there (which he will) and grabs them some points (which he will and would have done for us). £5m is chickenfeed and excellent value for money. |
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Post by Spezial on Aug 30, 2017 17:22:23 GMT 1
£5 million for an average championship striker would be decent return, especially with only a year on his contract. He is not average and we don't know how good he could be in the Premier League. Burnley are about to find out that he is good enough. Is he going to get 20+ goals, probably not but that would set you back £50-£100m these days. If he chips in here and there (which he will) and grabs them some points (which he will and would have done for us). £5m is chickenfeed and excellent value for money. It certainly is "Chicken feed" especially to help the hungry fuckers down the M62 pay for some Bury defender |
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 30, 2017 17:23:40 GMT 1
I think even in this day of big transfers, 5 mil for Wells is decent business. Wood scored 3 times as many goals as Wells did last season so 3 times the price. Wells also missed a lot of very good chances in the championship which you would have expected him to score. I was a fan of Wells and I thought we looked a better team when he played last season, but when you consider that he only scored 10 all season, he is currently injured, he has less than a year on his contract, he has no premier league experience and he is 3rd choice currently. We also only have 1 day left to sell him, and if he doesnt go, by the time Jan comes round his value will drop to 2 or 3 million, dropping to nothing next summer.
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Post by shawsie on Aug 30, 2017 17:25:12 GMT 1
£5m for Nahki Wells when nomark defenders are going for £18m. Burnley must be pissing themselves laughing. I'm not. £5 million for an average championship striker would be decent return, especially with only a year on his contract. Would it?! If DW has someone lined up to replace him then fine.................if not I think its a strange one - i'm not going to criticise the club because at the moment they are doing an unbelievable job, but to sell wells to a relegation rival is a big call with only 2 fit strikers on the books. I wouldn't want to be leaving west ham with an injured mounie and only depoitre and quaner/kachunga as back up that's for sure! |
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Post by crux on Aug 30, 2017 17:25:53 GMT 1
£5m for Nahki Wells when nomark defenders are going for £18m. Burnley must be pissing themselves laughing. I'm not. 12 months left on his contract. Injured and frees up his wages Also, isn't bought into The Club like everyone else appears to be (not interested in a new contract), within our system of play he doesn't score many goals. Whilst his overall play has improved, his goal-scoring skills appear to have diminished. This time last season, if you had said we'd be offered £5M+ for Wells with 12 months left on his contract after scoring a grand total of 10 TEN goals over last season - we'd all have thought you were mad. At 23:01 tomorrow night, if he's not been sold his value would half and we'd be left with a player who isn't interested in staying with us no matter what we do. Take what we can now and hopefully bring in a replacement. |
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 30, 2017 17:27:12 GMT 1
So many drama Queen's on here. Give it a rest
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 30, 2017 17:27:26 GMT 1
I think even in this day of big transfers, 5 mil for Wells is decent business. Wood scored 3 times as many goals as Wells did last season so 3 times the price. Wells also missed a lot of very good chances in the championship which you would have expected him to score. I was a fan of Wells and I thought we looked a better team when he played last season, but when you consider that he only scored 10 all season, he is currently injured, he has less than a year on his contract, he has no premier league experience and he is 3rd choice currently. We also only have 1 day left to sell him, and if he doesnt go, by the time Jan comes round his value will drop to 2 or 3 million, dropping to nothing next summer. What about his value to us playing his part to hopefully keep us up this season as part of Wagners well-known squad rotation?. Perhaps even surprise a few and really cut it at this level then earn a new deal and be worth 3-4 times this. We have given up on Nahki and it is the first time 'new regime' I strongly disagree with the Club. I ain't happy about this one bit. |
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 30, 2017 17:29:56 GMT 1
I think even in this day of big transfers, 5 mil for Wells is decent business. Wood scored 3 times as many goals as Wells did last season so 3 times the price. Wells also missed a lot of very good chances in the championship which you would have expected him to score. I was a fan of Wells and I thought we looked a better team when he played last season, but when you consider that he only scored 10 all season, he is currently injured, he has less than a year on his contract, he has no premier league experience and he is 3rd choice currently. We also only have 1 day left to sell him, and if he doesnt go, by the time Jan comes round his value will drop to 2 or 3 million, dropping to nothing next summer. What about his value to us playing his part to hopefully keep us up this season as part of Wagners well-known squad rotation?. Perhaps even surprise a few and really cut it at this level then earn a new deal and be worth 3-4 times this. We have given up on Nahki and it is the first time 'new regime' I strongly disagree with the Club. I ain't happy about this one bit. He doesnt want to play for us anymore. Hoyle has made it clear that he doesnt want to sign a new contract, and Wagner has made it clear that he will only pick players who are committed to the club, so there would be no surprising anyone, there would be not cutting it at this level. He would sulk and play in the under 23's and we would be 5 mil worse off next year. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:32:01 GMT 1
I thought we'd asked for at least 10 million?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 30, 2017 17:32:25 GMT 1
Good job i won 4k yesterday then Vin, to cover all my future losses on Wells. Footballs my game, not blokes in lycra on £150,000 bikes and toffee-nosed giants from Oxford in rowing elitist sports, where only 6 countries can compete anyway. England will never again be ranked higher than Germany with FIFA and i doubt they will get above Poland! I know players, i can almost smell them. Someone's changed their tune re. the Olympics - What about the extensive research you put in before the Gold medal proclaimation? So you may well make money on football results - you play the numbers you have stated this numerous times (pun intended) - How on earth does that correlate to your judgement of the future success of a single footballer. Is the PL your game too? If it is why has Billing started so well in it for us and getting plaudits from all over when he should be playing for Bury? DW and his rotation policy has got us to places we only dreamt of before and you already have stated he was incorrect to do this and WILL fail in his next job. Truth is Oti - just like the rest of us - you can be easily as wrong about a player or coach as you can be right despite your supernovak type inflated success rate you seem to have created of your judgement. Whoa...hold on a doggone minute. I did extensive research, checked all best world times blah, blah. What i could not factor in was the £250 mill UK sport spend. I could not legislate for world records tumbling in cycling due to £150,000 state of the art cycles. We got 65 medals...35, more than half, were in sports sitting down! 20% were on bicycles!! Elitist sports where we only had handfuls of competitors. Sports targeted for medals over a 4 year period. We got a gold in boxing...she only had 2 fights! Just 6 medals in athletics....and 2 of those were a Somalian living in the USA. I lost a smidgen overall...as i said in the thread...its a TRADE and zero medals in the first 5 days made it a doubling of money for anyone who took the advice. Go and read again. My judgement on single players is like my judgements in life...seen a lot of both. You can go back as far as you want. Its all there...my pronouncements on Rhodes, Afobe, Scannell...dozens of players and i dont recall getting one wrong. As for Billing. Jury still out. Come back in 12 months. Only 38 appearances for us in 4 seasons...in the Championship (i recall the injury period). He has something but i fear he has peaked. What happened to all the buyers? Why has he never got in to Denmarks U21 team? DW next job...again...you are jumping the gun. He is statistically likely to...or at least be nowhere as successful as the last 12 months. |
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Post by tootch on Aug 30, 2017 17:33:57 GMT 1
We don't know what's happened behind the scenes, I get the impression his agent tried to hold a gun to Dean head over his contract. He messed with the wrong man, Dean has basically said he won't ever play for town again. So leave him to train with the U21s and pay his wages or sell him now and take the money. Personally if a championship side came in with a lower offer and Wells accepted the contract, I'd take it rather than sell him to any PL side.
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 30, 2017 17:35:23 GMT 1
What about his value to us playing his part to hopefully keep us up this season as part of Wagners well-known squad rotation?. Perhaps even surprise a few and really cut it at this level then earn a new deal and be worth 3-4 times this. We have given up on Nahki and it is the first time 'new regime' I strongly disagree with the Club. I ain't happy about this one bit. He doesnt want to play for us anymore. Hoyle has made it clear that he doesnt want to sign a new contract, and Wagner has made it clear that he will only pick players who are committed to the club, so there would be no surprising anyone, there would be not cutting it at this level. He would sulk and play in the under 23's and we would be 5 mil worse off next year. Didn't or doesn't want to play for us?. Situations change. Any balls being taken home because he of course turned down a new deal?. But were the terms right we were offering?. Unlike cnuts like Chris Wood, Nahki got stuck in and never refused to play for us. He played a significant part in our promotion. He is worth more to the Club than that transfer fee. We have fucked up here. |
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Post by crux on Aug 30, 2017 17:35:30 GMT 1
I think even in this day of big transfers, 5 mil for Wells is decent business. Wood scored 3 times as many goals as Wells did last season so 3 times the price. Wells also missed a lot of very good chances in the championship which you would have expected him to score. I was a fan of Wells and I thought we looked a better team when he played last season, but when you consider that he only scored 10 all season, he is currently injured, he has less than a year on his contract, he has no premier league experience and he is 3rd choice currently. We also only have 1 day left to sell him, and if he doesnt go, by the time Jan comes round his value will drop to 2 or 3 million, dropping to nothing next summer. What about his value to us playing his part to hopefully keep us up this season as part of Wagners well-known squad rotation?. Perhaps even surprise a few and really cut it at this level then earn a new deal and be worth 3-4 times this. We have given up on Nahki and it is the first time 'new regime' I strongly disagree with the Club. I ain't happy about this one bit. Do you not understand the fact that he (or rather his Agent) isn't interested in signing any deal with Town. He was offered a new deal last season and over the summer and turned them down. He isn't going to sign no matter how hard you want it to happen. To be honest it looks more like Nahki has given up on us rather than the other way round. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Aug 30, 2017 17:38:35 GMT 1
What about his value to us playing his part to hopefully keep us up this season as part of Wagners well-known squad rotation?. Perhaps even surprise a few and really cut it at this level then earn a new deal and be worth 3-4 times this. We have given up on Nahki and it is the first time 'new regime' I strongly disagree with the Club. I ain't happy about this one bit. Do you not understand the fact that he (or rather his Agent) isn't interested in signing any deal with Town. He was offered a new deal last season and over the summer and turned them down. He isn't going to sign no matter how hard you want it to happen. To be honest it looks more like Nahki has given up on us rather than the other way round. Are you saying he turned down a new deal whenever it was last season and we again offered him another deal this summer and he has turned that one down too?. If that is the case, I stand corrected. |
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Post by irverino on Aug 30, 2017 17:38:55 GMT 1
Thought Burnley were after Wells? They got Arfield cheaply, what was Robins thinking? DATM 1st again... |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 30, 2017 17:40:26 GMT 1
Thought Burnley were after Wells? They got Arfield cheaply, what was Robins thinking? DATM 1st again... Your special. |
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Post by huddersfc on Aug 30, 2017 17:44:11 GMT 1
He doesnt want to play for us anymore. Hoyle has made it clear that he doesnt want to sign a new contract, and Wagner has made it clear that he will only pick players who are committed to the club, so there would be no surprising anyone, there would be not cutting it at this level. He would sulk and play in the under 23's and we would be 5 mil worse off next year. Didn't or doesn't want to play for us?. Situations change. Any balls being taken home because he of course turned down a new deal?. But were the terms right we were offering?. Unlike cnuts like Chris Wood, Nahki got stuck in and never refused to play for us. He played a significant part in our promotion. He is worth more to the Club than that transfer fee. We have fucked up here. In what way is he worth more than the transfer fee? Hoyle is a stubborn businessman and negotiator. You only have to look at the Jack Hunt situation, when Hoyle told him where to go when he came crawling back, even though it would have IMPROVED the team. So unless Hoyle and Wagner go back on their word he would NOT get a game for town this season. I agree he played a significant part in our promotion but what is better, a sulking player in the u23's or 5 million in the bank less the chicken feed. If Burnley finish mid table and Wells scores 10 and sets up a few, then I will come back on here and admit I was wrong, but for me, 5 million is still a lot of money, and its better taking that than keeping an unhappy player at the club who isnt going to add or be given a chance to add anything this season. |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Aug 30, 2017 17:50:03 GMT 1
Do you not understand the fact that he (or rather his Agent) isn't interested in signing any deal with Town. He was offered a new deal last season and over the summer and turned them down. He isn't going to sign no matter how hard you want it to happen. To be honest it looks more like Nahki has given up on us rather than the other way round. Are you saying he turned down a new deal whenever it was last season and we again offered him another deal this summer and he has turned that one down too?. If that is the case, I stand corrected. Pretty sure this was made clear at the canalside q&a with Hoyle The club did right by him in offering a deal after promotion but he/ his agent made it clear he wouldn't sign it Not sure he will be quite good enough but he goes with my best wishes and thanks for helping put us where we are |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:54:14 GMT 1
Wells is nowhere near as good as Gray. Wells doesn't have any stand out attributes whereas Gray is very quick and pretty lethal in front of goal
5 million sounds like a good deal to me for a player out of contract next summer
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 17:55:21 GMT 1
Someone's changed their tune re. the Olympics - What about the extensive research you put in before the Gold medal proclaimation? So you may well make money on football results - you play the numbers you have stated this numerous times (pun intended) - How on earth does that correlate to your judgement of the future success of a single footballer. Is the PL your game too? If it is why has Billing started so well in it for us and getting plaudits from all over when he should be playing for Bury? DW and his rotation policy has got us to places we only dreamt of before and you already have stated he was incorrect to do this and WILL fail in his next job. Truth is Oti - just like the rest of us - you can be easily as wrong about a player or coach as you can be right despite your supernovak type inflated success rate you seem to have created of your judgement. Whoa...hold on a doggone minute. I did extensive research, checked all best world times blah, blah. What i could not factor in was the £250 mill UK sport spend. I could not legislate for world records tumbling in cycling due to £150,000 state of the art cycles. We got 65 medals...35, more than half, were in sports sitting down! 20% were on bicycles!! Elitist sports where we only had handfuls of competitors. Sports targeted for medals over a 4 year period. We got a gold in boxing...she only had 2 fights! Just 6 medals in athletics....and 2 of those were a Somalian living in the USA. I lost a smidgen overall...as i said in the thread...its a TRADE and zero medals in the first 5 days made it a doubling of money for anyone who took the advice. Go and read again. My judgement on single players is like my judgements in life...seen a lot of both. You can go back as far as you want. Its all there...my pronouncements on Rhodes, Afobe, Scannell...dozens of players and i dont recall getting one wrong. As for Billing. Jury still out. Come back in 12 months. Only 38 appearances for us in 4 seasons...in the Championship (i recall the injury period). He has something but i fear he has peaked. What happened to all the buyers? Why has he never got in to Denmarks U21 team?DW next job...again...you are jumping the gun. He is statistically likely to...or at least be nowhere as successful as the last 12 months. Let's see if Billing who you said peaked two years ago gets his first start on Thursday. (4pm kick off uk time) |
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Post by mason on Aug 30, 2017 17:59:09 GMT 1
I think selling Wells to Burnley is a mistake can see him & Wood making a right partnership , time will tell...  |
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Post by greyarea on Aug 30, 2017 18:04:03 GMT 1
£5M plus a few add-ons seems reasonable. Below 12 left on his contract. No prospect of him signing a new contract. He will cost nothing in July. £5M now is good business for everyone. Burnley get a decnt enough striker who value is probably higher than £5M (given the current inflation in the market), Huddersfield get £5M, get rid of a wage and don't have a player hanging around the development squad seeing out a season. Nahki himself, gets a nice signing on fee, probably an increase in wages and a chance to play in the premier league with Burnley (he wasn't going to play for Town) and doesn't waste a vital peak year in his career as he is 27. A win for everyone.
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Post by basil on Aug 30, 2017 18:06:31 GMT 1
I think selling Wells to Burnley is a mistake can see him & Wood making a right partnership , time will tell... And to make sure that that doesn't happen we should keep him, not play him, and tear up a cheque for £5,000,000? |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 30, 2017 18:08:31 GMT 1
Doesn't worry DW - we get goals from all over the pitch now. Wish I could agree with you Goodshot - apart from Ince and Mounie, who else will score a decent amount? Palmer might but it's a hell of a gamble on such an inexperienced player. Kachunga has had one good season, in the Championship. Careers stats with the rest don't fill me with a lot of confidence and the "Quaner can play up front when necessary" posts worry me. Like other posters have said, if we don't get another striker in we're making the same mistake as last season, but in the Premiership. Yehbut - your not going to get a prolific scorer for the bench. You have to have more to your game - Sunderland went down with Defoe, Boro had quite a few strikers etc. Think Mounie, Kachunga, Ince, Palmer are going to get a few each with chip ins from Mooy, Quaner, Billing, VLP and the defenders. It was a hell of a mistake last season! We have solved last season's problem by getting in Mounie, Depoitre and Ince. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:15:22 GMT 1
In our system, Wells was a good defensive forward but a poor goal scorer, his record last season wasn't great.
The system hasn't changed but the quality level of the opposition has increased massively, so I doubt he'd score many for us this season.
Burnley play a style that may suit him, playing off the shoulder of wood or Vokes could see him score more goals than he was here.
Moral of the story is he's not as bad as some people are saying and he's not as good as others are saying. This deal is good for everyone, unless of course we finish 18th and Burnley finish 17th
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Post by impact on Aug 30, 2017 18:29:18 GMT 1
£5m for Nahki is good business IMO, but only if we replace him. We cannot go until January with 2 strikers, 1 of whom isn't even making the bench at the moment, with Kachunga/Collin as backup.
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Post by wigster on Aug 30, 2017 18:30:11 GMT 1
The next time somebody posts that Wells has sulked, taken his ball home, been disruptive etc could they PLEASE provide one shred of evidence. I've read so much on this board about his attitude that seems to have no basis whatsoever, other than an obvious dislike of the player. I can understand a supporter not liking a player, I can understand a player not agreeing to whatever terms we have offered, but every time I've seen Wells play - he has put in the effort and teamwork that I expect from a professional. I also didn't see the VLPs, Kachungas etc stepping up to take penalties when it mattered.
As for him missing loads of chances last season I must have been at different matches to certain posters - the number of times he was by himself in the penalty area was legion, and considering we played wingers I don't remember many crosses from VLP and the like that didn't either sail over his head or hit the first man.
If he is going to a rival-for-relegation I think we are making a mistake. I can assure you that there is no way that Sean Dyche is going to play him up front by himself. All about opinion as ever, but I feel we must replace him - this week. As has been said the thought of the likes of Quaner taking on a Premiership defence is mind-boggling.
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Post by alex on Aug 30, 2017 18:30:42 GMT 1
£5 million for an average championship striker would be decent return, especially with only a year on his contract. Would it?! If DW has someone lined up to replace him then fine.................if not I think its a strange one - i'm not going to criticise the club because at the moment they are doing an unbelievable job, but to sell wells to a relegation rival is a big call with only 2 fit strikers on the books. I wouldn't want to be leaving west ham with an injured mounie and only depoitre and quaner/kachunga as back up that's for sure! And this is why 5 mill is a good deal. Well said mate  |
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Post by specialun on Aug 30, 2017 18:37:54 GMT 1
£5m for Nahki is good business IMO, but only if we replace him. We cannot go until January with 2 strikers, 1 of whom isn't even making the bench at the moment, with Kachunga/Collin as backup. We'll look rather daft if god forbid Mounie picks up a knock We also have to factor in 1. Wagner' like for rotation 2. More players travelling on international duty... Mounie, Kodak, Zanka, Mooy, billing, Kachunga all away regularly - needs a few extra fresh legs when they're only good enough for the bench - Mounie / Kachunga along with Mooy will have a lot of travelling |
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