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Post by Pork Soda on Jul 7, 2017 0:41:38 GMT 1
Considering he is (was) our number 1 striker,and the amount of stick that Quaner has received in the past, it's interesting to know that Wells, with all the extra game time, only scored three times,the same number as Big Col since his arrival!!
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Post by Elioud on Jul 7, 2017 2:22:25 GMT 1
S'alright if he leaves on a free Bradford get nothing
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 7, 2017 8:12:45 GMT 1
It's pretty clear that we are looking at utilising set pieces much, much better this season, and targeting our lone tall strikers with Smith and Malone crosses (leading assists from last season). It looks as though Wagner is changing the Terrier style a little bit. Great managers always do. I can't see Wells starting much at all, and certainly not up top. Maybe a run out in preseason to see if he can play RW/LW? He's a good Championship striker, but not a great fit for our system. At times it seemed as though we gained promotion despite our strikers instead of because of them; very strange for the Championship. Think thats exactly what happened. The fact Rotherham's strikers, cast adrift at the bottom all season as they were, scored more than our strikers, tells it's own story. As poor as that was, the good thing is that it highlights just how immense the other areas of the team were. It doesn't necessarily at all and it's at least conjecture. Whilst watching Town our best consistent run of strikers, who were always at the top of the scoring charts, was when we were also consistently crap. Tempest, Shearer, Roberts... Just compare the last two seasons, it was blatantly obvious we were more reserved in our attacking this year, being mindful of the defensive shape. Another reason why the position in the table isn't a factor in determining how well a striker has done. I do think what you say about making runs has merit, and not doing this isn't as obvious as not chasing someone down. Even this though has at least some mitigation and that's the extra demands of pressing. I don't think he's the ideal style of striker for us, but I also think you're incredibly harsh.....and almost obsessive on this 😂 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2017 8:58:15 GMT 1
He made 47 appearances so didn't miss many! Its not about being on his case. Its about thinking he isn't good enough for where we are now. Wasn't last season and can't see that changing this. So thinking we should get what we can for him whilst we can get anything. Im really surprised some people rate him so much. If Ishmael Miller went 17 games scoring 1 ( fluke ) hed be lambasted as one of the crappest strikers we'd ever had, yet wells is still 'excellent' and 'immense'. He just simply isn't. If we were still rooted in the bottom end of the championship, then sure, sign him up if he will. Thats his level. But we've moved on from that now. This notion that he is a lower championship striker doesn't seem to be shared by those in the game... I'm not sure whether dyche has bid 8m but I'd be very surprised if teams higher than lower end champs haven't bid considerable sums... but you know better.... you wasn't sure what to do with yourself the season before last when we came 19th and he scored nigh on 20 .... he didn't score as many last season ... does that mean he regressed ? Or may it reflect the different emphasis on what was expected of him by the manager, to be a cog in a successful team ? ... sure he missed chances .... he is maybe not a premiership striker ... but he is far better than you give him credit for You really can't accept any other opinion but your own without trying to make it personal can you ted? If Allardyce and dyche think he is a prem player, then I'd disagree with them. Presumably all the ones who don't want him think he isn't a prem striker- id agree with them. Its only opinions. Mine is hes a lower end championship striker at best. No shame in that and Im not having a go at him for it. Just think we are more than that now and need better than wells. I think wagners knows hes a player thats needed improving on since he arrived. His efforts to do that were frustrated until this window. |
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Post by ACW on Jul 7, 2017 9:10:16 GMT 1
Strikers will always be judged on goals, and Wells' strike rate last season was not great. There is no reason to suspect he will suddenly become a free scoring striker in the Premier League, but with better players around him who knows?
What I will say about Wells is his all round game has come on leaps and bounds since Wagner took over. Before Wagner came Wells looked a lightweight striker with a poor touch. He has now become a decent holdup striker, able to control the ball, shield it and bring others into play. I thought he played very well at Wembley, and was one of our standout players in the two play off games against Sheff Wed.
Its a shame his overall improvement - which has been impressive - will probably count for little when his goal-return has been relatively poor. Time will tell what role Wells will have next season, but I suspect he may find himself playing second fiddle to the new lads, and will spend a fair bit of time on the bench.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2017 9:15:05 GMT 1
"These are all Legends" (DW). Every player that played a large part in getting us up should be given a chance, as they have earned it (Unless DW decides otherwise). Show some respect. They are all legends. Theyve done a legendary thing. But its a reality of football that players accept that if they succeed and go up, then several of them won't be good enough to play at the higher level. Last time we went up we had a guy like Tommy Miller playing a large part and making 30 odd appearances. Im not sure that meant he 'deserved' the chance or was good enough to play in the championship. There are other players who will know that promotion could cost them their 1st pick status in the side- lads like hefele, kachunga, Lowe, Hogg, VLP. But they'll be 2nd pick at least. Not sure wells will be- he could be as low in the pecking order as 4th ( or even 5th pick if Quaner improves like he did in POs ). So do you cash in or keep, thats the question. And its a business decision, not an emotional one. |
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Post by 5kippy on Jul 7, 2017 11:53:16 GMT 1
"These are all Legends" (DW). Every player that played a large part in getting us up should be given a chance, as they have earned it (Unless DW decides otherwise). Show some respect. They are all legends. Theyve done a legendary thing. But its a reality of football that players accept that if they succeed and go up, then several of them won't be good enough to play at the higher level. Last time we went up we had a guy like Tommy Miller playing a large part and making 30 odd appearances. Im not sure that meant he 'deserved' the chance or was good enough to play in the championship. There are other players who will know that promotion could cost them their 1st pick status in the side- lads like hefele, kachunga, Lowe, Hogg, VLP. But they'll be 2nd pick at least. Not sure wells will be- he could be as low in the pecking order as 4th ( or even 5th pick if Quaner improves like he did in POs ). So do you cash in or keep, thats the question. And its a business decision, not an emotional one. Neither you, I, or all the other so called experts know if any of these players will do us proud in the PL. We've heard it all before - Tommy Smith isn't good enough for the Championship/ Scott Arfield's a league1 player, at best etc. Just back them all and let Wagner decide. And let's get behind them, in the off-season, as much as when they are playing. I for one do not believe any of the 5 players mentioned believe that promotion has cost them their place in the team (what is "1st pick" anyway? Is it like "Rotation"?) and how do you know they know. The only players that may not get as many games might be the older ones, due to physical restraints, but who knows. Your last comment on Wells is assuming that all our incoming strikers are better than him, yet you have never seen them play for Wagner's Huddersfield. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2017 12:03:40 GMT 1
'There are other players who will know that promotion could cost them their 1st pick status in the side'
ie they were 1st pick ( selected in our strongest side when everyone fit ) but will know incoming signings mean that MIGHT no longer be the case.
Its a football forum for opinions. thats all Im doing.
Whoever is on the pitch for us will have my full support, as they always have.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 7, 2017 12:25:39 GMT 1
we will need someone to fight, run and hold it up.. thats not wells.. he has moments where he outjumps bigger defenders or chases lost causes etc.. moments are not going to be enough..
hold it up, lay it off and get into or around the box??? not his game..
we may get some posession in our half but we wont get the amount we had last season in opponents half.. the intricate stuff with lots of passing will therefore be less and wells is further marginalised..
I sincerley hope he gets picked every game and scores 15 plus goals and proves me totally wrong, its not going to happen though..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 12:25:56 GMT 1
'There are other players who will know that promotion could cost them their 1st pick status in the side' ie they were 1st pick ( selected in our strongest side when everyone fit ) but will know incoming signings mean that MIGHT no longer be the case. Its a football forum for opinions. thats all Im doing. Whoever is on the pitch for us will have my full support, as they always have. Well said that man |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 7, 2017 13:53:44 GMT 1
Sign or be sold.
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Post by canuckterrier on Jul 7, 2017 14:42:29 GMT 1
That's the crux. If he doesn't sign I think will be gone by end August. We will play him in the pre-season and as the window nears it's end there are always teams that become desperate, especially for strikers, and that's when the silly money comes out. We are still very early in the window. It just seems to be much later because we've got most of our business done. Amazing really when you consider losing 3 weeks on everyone else and not knowing where we'll be. Excellent planning by the Club. As an aside, I believe that is one DW's greatest strengths i.e. get them in early, get them fit, make them gel and become fully conversant with his system. Our tremendous burst out of the starting gate last year was no fluke. We'd been ready for weeks whilst other teams were still signing players and even managers for goodness sake well into the first month of the season. I'm surprised other clubs don't do it although I see Koeman seems to be on the ball. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 7, 2017 14:55:02 GMT 1
That's the crux. If he doesn't sign I think will be gone by end August. We will play him in the pre-season and as the window nears it's end there are always teams that become desperate, especially for strikers, and that's when the silly money comes out. We are still very early in the window. It just seems to be much later because we've got most of our business done. Amazing really when you consider losing 3 weeks on everyone else and not knowing where we'll be. Excellent planning by the Club. As an aside, I believe that is one DW's greatest strengths i.e. get them in early, get them fit, make them gel and become fully conversant with his system. Our tremendous burst out of the starting gate last year was no fluke. We'd been ready for weeks whilst other teams were still signing players and even managers for goodness sake well into the first month of the season. I'm surprised other clubs don't do it although I see Koeman seems to be on the ball. Unfortunately for Nahki it will be a lower league club like Derby or Villa. |
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Post by duffterrier on Jul 7, 2017 16:03:28 GMT 1
I was told this morning (by someone who had spoken to him and had photo evidence to that effect) that Wells HAS signed a new contract. |
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Post by basil on Jul 7, 2017 16:28:23 GMT 1
I was told this morning (by someone who had spoken to him and had photo evidence to that effect) that Wells HAS signed a new contract. The photographic evidence bit sounds a bit dodgy but if this is true it is very good news. |
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Post by duffterrier on Jul 7, 2017 17:17:26 GMT 1
I was told this morning (by someone who had spoken to him and had photo evidence to that effect) that Wells HAS signed a new contract. The photographic evidence bit sounds a bit dodgy but if this is true it is very good news. Ha....a lad i work with had gone down to canalside with his 9 month old son and got pictures with some of the players holding the baby and talked to Wells. |
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Post by basil on Jul 7, 2017 17:31:01 GMT 1
The photographic evidence bit sounds a bit dodgy but if this is true it is very good news. Ha....a lad i work with had gone down to canalside with his 9 month old son and got pictures with some of the players holding the baby and talked to Wells. I had visions of him proudly showing his shiny new contract to every passer by. |
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Post by 5kippy on Jul 7, 2017 20:37:50 GMT 1
'There are other players who will know that promotion could cost them their 1st pick status in the side' ie they were 1st pick ( selected in our strongest side when everyone fit ) but will know incoming signings mean that MIGHT no longer be the case. Its a football forum for opinions. thats all Im doing. Whoever is on the pitch for us will have my full support, as they always have. The "could" relates to being in the side or not. The "There are other players who will know" is your statement of fact about the players you mention. I know you will give them your full support. But at least if you are going to have an opinion make it sound like you know what you are talking about.  UTT |
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Post by trailingleg on Jul 7, 2017 22:25:24 GMT 1
You all a bunch of morons. I don't understand how you can write off Nahki after how great he has been with Hudders. He works his butt off very hard, he is not injury prone like a lot of other players, he is super fit. I recall watching him play against premier league big boys Arsenal and Aston Villa in cup games and totally demoralized a few players against Bradford City few years ago, he had one defender in his back pocket. He even scored a goal to help send them through the finals at Wembley. How do you know these players being bought for all this dosh is even better than Wells? They aren't premier league proven AT ALL. Wells scored a penalty in the finals to help send Hudders to the premiers, now you wanna stab him in the back ffs. Ince play in the premier for Hull. Guess what? he scored ONE FRIGGIN GOAL, ONE, UNO. Mounie is not proven at this ENGLISH LEVEL, Nor is Pretoire. He only played 1 game for Porto ffs. If wells goes without a chance I hope Huddersfield get relegated fast, by Xmas. Karma is a bi8ch Now that takes shit spelling to a new level. |
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Post by slumster on Jul 7, 2017 23:03:56 GMT 1
"These are all Legends" (DW). Every player that played a large part in getting us up should be given a chance, as they have earned it (Unless DW decides otherwise). Show some respect. They are all legends. Theyve done a legendary thing. But its a reality of football that players accept that if they succeed and go up, then several of them won't be good enough to play at the higher level. Last time we went up we had a guy like Tommy Miller playing a large part and making 30 odd appearances. Im not sure that meant he 'deserved' the chance or was good enough to play in the championship. There are other players who will know that promotion could cost them their 1st pick status in the side- lads like hefele, kachunga, Lowe, Hogg, VLP. But they'll be 2nd pick at least. Not sure wells will be- he could be as low in the pecking order as 4th ( or even 5th pick if Quaner improves like he did in POs ). So do you cash in or keep, thats the question. And its a business decision, not an emotional one. I think hogg, kachunga and Lowe will all be first choice unless they aren't performing (same as anyone but think they will be first on the sheet at the beginning of the season) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 23:35:18 GMT 1
It will fantastic next season when we are in the running for a European spot.
Twill be "Escape to victory" esque after Big Laurent scores the winner, Pretoire, Pretoire, Pretoire.
As for Nickynackynorky, I thought he had signed tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 0:00:45 GMT 1
I was told this morning (by someone who had spoken to him and had photo evidence to that effect) that Wells HAS signed a new contract. The photographic evidence bit sounds a bit dodgy but if this is true it is very good news. He's posting a picture of it after his tea |
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Post by KiwiPom on Jul 8, 2017 0:14:45 GMT 1
I think if he really wanted to move his agent would have had a better and more up to date montage of his goals made than seems to be available, at least publicly.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 8, 2017 0:35:49 GMT 1
'There are other players who will know that promotion could cost them their 1st pick status in the side' ie they were 1st pick ( selected in our strongest side when everyone fit ) but will know incoming signings mean that MIGHT no longer be the case. Its a football forum for opinions. thats all Im doing. Whoever is on the pitch for us will have my full support, as they always have. The "could" relates to being in the side or not. The "There are other players who will know" is your statement of fact about the players you mention. I know you will give them your full support. But at least if you are going to have an opinion make it sound like you know what you are talking about. UTT What? It is a statement of fact. Those players DO KNOW they could lose the position as first pick that they had last season. Do you think wagners gone up to heff and said, ' I know we;ve just bought this Danish international for £3.5m but don;t worry cos you'll still be one of the first choice centre backs?!" " Don;t worry Lowe. This £5m left back from Fulham will just be your back up when Im resting you" If you'd read the first post properly you wouldn't have had to post that last silly one. . |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 8, 2017 1:02:46 GMT 1
Whatever did happen to James Berrett ?
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Post by shawsie on Jul 8, 2017 1:05:05 GMT 1
Wells like all the players from last season deserves a chance.....but Wagner knows he needs them all to up it a level or more to compete. Some will do so some not.......that's life sadly.
The great thing is we appear on paper to be stronger from back to front now.......that can only be good.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 8, 2017 2:14:48 GMT 1
If true, I'm glad Nahki has signed and it puts to bed us selling him. I look forward to Town announcing his contract extension, I guess they have delayed it so it's another announcement for the sponsor to get its name in lights.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 8, 2017 4:25:45 GMT 1
If true, I'm glad Nahki has signed and it puts to bed us selling him. I look forward to Town announcing his contract extension, I guess they have delayed it so it's another announcement for the sponsor to get its name in lights. I agree. There are though some right numpty comments re Nahki in this thread. The Lad has worked his socks off last season and been a key Player for us. Some Players who based on not signing a new contract just give up. Oh and for the uneducated, he could and would score more goals if he played in a Team where all he was being asked to do was effectively 'bog-line' and nothing else. At Town under Wagner, every Player is asked to do that bit more (a key reason why we got promoted). Nahki tracks back (at the request of David Wagner) and plays his part defensively. He also chases the ball and doesn't just wait for it to come to him. Yes he doesn't take all his chances but have some on here ever though atleast he is getting in to good scoring positions?. He developed last season after only one full season with Wagner and his coaching Team and Nahki will only get better. A great signing this if hopefully he stays. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 8, 2017 5:08:46 GMT 1
If true, I'm glad Nahki has signed and it puts to bed us selling him. I look forward to Town announcing his contract extension, I guess they have delayed it so it's another announcement for the sponsor to get its name in lights. I agree. There are though some right numpty comments re Nahki in this thread. The Lad has worked his socks off last season and been a key Player for us. Some Players who based on not signing a new contract just give up. Oh and for the uneducated, he could and would score more goals if he played in a Team where all he was being asked to do was effectively 'bog-line' and nothing else. At Town under Wagner, every Player is asked to do that bit more (a key reason why we got promoted). Nahki tracks back (at the request of David Wagner) and plays his part defensively. He also chases the ball and doesn't just wait for it to come to him. Yes he doesn't take all his chances but have some on here ever though atleast he is getting in to good scoring positions?. He developed last season after only one full season with Wagner and his coaching Team and Nahki will only get better. A great signing this if hopefully he stays. I totally agree that he has improved as an all round player. His defensive play and his holding up of the ball is real quality, top Championship quality in fact and about to see if it's Premier quality. His striking, he has proved he can score 20 odd in a Championship campaign playing the "bog-line". What he hadn't proved is that he can do all three in a Championship season. I am/was a big critic of Nahki, this was from the point of view of wanting him and Town to do well, but the more I look back at the season, the more I think I see what was the issue. I believe Nahki was like Mooy, a victim of not having a real replacement for rotation. The sharpness that both displayed early in the season was jaded. When big Col didn't turn out to be the striker we all hoped for, it was left to Nahki to take on the burden of being the lone striker for the squad. So Nahki's sharpness disappeared throughout the season and that showed as the goals dried up. He was asked to play a high tempo, highly physical role on his own. I remember him being on his heels often towards the end of the season and in hindsight I really think it was just fatigue. The bloke had given his all and his body and mind was struggling to follow his heart by the end. Come this season, I believe we have more strike power, which will allow for the rotations. If Mounié, Wells or Depoitre get on a roll, I can see us having a primary striker(most likely Mounié to start the season) with replacements(most likely Wells) in the last 15-20 to sharpen the front third up in the back end of a game. If it is Wells with Mounié coming on late, that would also be great. I think this is Nahki's chance to have a breakout year in the Premier League, even if it comes from limited game time because he will be fresh and sharp. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 8, 2017 7:46:36 GMT 1
Burnley have now signed Jon Walters
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