loumacari
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Post by loumacari on Jan 14, 2018 10:12:36 GMT 1
Really? His control looked very messy to me. Played like a defender from a league where when the defenders get the ball the other team back off and leave them to it. Looks like he needs a few more weeks before he'll oust Lowe and Malone...but I do like that we've finally got a left sided full back who isn't a midget. Yeah, Malone's a right short arse š Heās definitely not short but heās a damn sight softer in the tackle than Lowe is.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jan 14, 2018 10:13:26 GMT 1
Surely the most concerning thing today is that we were outwitted by a coaching team with Stuart Pearce in its ranks. We were undone by the footballing strategic genius (!) of Moyes and Pierce, this is most worrying
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 14, 2018 10:21:41 GMT 1
Surely the most concerning thing today is that we were outwitted by a coaching team with Stuart Pearce in its ranks. We were undone by the footballing strategic genius (!) of Moyes and Pierce, this is most worrying They started with Lanzini off their striker We started with lolley in the same role Tactics or not that's a massive difference in quality
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jan 14, 2018 10:26:21 GMT 1
We were undone by the footballing strategic genius (!) of Moyes and Pierce, this is most worrying They started with Lanzini off their striker We started with lolley in the same role Tactics or not that's a massive difference in quality Maybe, but did you see their set up every time Lossl had the ball, was pretty obvious it was going to our defenders every time
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 10:33:37 GMT 1
Weāve seen even with likes of Swansea that if you give teams a 1 goal head starts then you rareky score any points. Arnautevic would be worth Ā£30M+ this window we need to remember that too.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 14, 2018 10:35:54 GMT 1
Nobody played well though Smith had a shocker and Mooy looks knackered
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Post by buckers on Jan 14, 2018 10:41:14 GMT 1
Artaunovic second only to Kane in quality players we've seen at JSS this season. Lanzini My man of the match by a mile.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 14, 2018 10:42:26 GMT 1
Even Shindy got done By the striker
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 10:43:58 GMT 1
Passing - Woeful Ball retention - Woeful Giving the ball away in dangerous areas - Excellent Substitutions (timings) - terrible Honestly, why start Lolley? It's only to put him in the shop window, so he scored a goal, but fuck me! Pritchard should be starting, never mind putting him on the bench. Football is a simple game, he doesn't need to watch for 65 minutes, he's match fit for Gods sake. Start him. Why wait until 65 minutes to make a substitution?!?! 4-1 down! No point at this stage. Gifted 2 goals and looked terrible. It's going to be a long remainder of the season unless things change. Embarrassing today. Poor all-round. I don't blame those fans that left before the 80th minute at all. Ball retention in the first half was the best we've witnessed in weeks, are you blind? He started Lolley because Pritchard only joined yesterday, Sabiri doesn't look ready for this level, and we have nobody else. Pritchard looked interesting..looked to get involved but I think hes going to find the physical step a big struggle. Kongolo looked like he'd never seen a football before. Hopefully that was related to coming on late into a lost game...definitely wouldn't expect him to dislodge Zanka or Schindler any time soon. Based on having seen them for how long in a PL game?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 11:14:34 GMT 1
My thoughts in no particular order:-
1. We had a collective off day. This happens and is not significant in the long run. Losing 4-1 at home to WHU doesn't mean certain relegation any more than winning 4-1 at Watford meant we were on for a top half finish.
2. Hopefully we saw two Huddersfield Towns today. The old one, which still saw us outperform the expectations of supporters and pundits alike, and the new improved one with a proper number 10 from the 65th minute onwards. I think Wagner made a mistake here and that Pritchard should have been on from the start. Moyes had obviously done his homework well, but Pritchard was an unknown quantity to him as a part of the Town setup and we should have taken full advantage of this.
3. We looked a much better team following our substitutions. Was that because we had better players on the pitch, because we moved to 352 when Kongolo came on, or because WHU were 4-1 up and showed less attacking intent? I hope it is the first reason because I don't think we have the players for 352. IMHO Pritchard needs to play advanced midfield, not next to the main striker, and Depoitre and Mounie are too similar in style to play up front together. Ince is best cutting in from wide right. We all know this despite him having a poor game yesterday.
4. I await the top left sided wide player we are rumoured to be signing from the Continent. He is sorely needed, and hopefully we can get him in before the Stoke game. VLP has strengths but they are outweighed by his weaknesses.
5. I liked the look of Kongolo. Good positioning and confident on the ball. Makes a pass much more quickly than Zanka for example.I see him as our first choice LB with Flo on the other side.
6. My summer disposals (or January if our cover allows and offers come in) would be Quaner, Lolley, Payne, Hiwula, Crainie, THD, Whitehead and Green. Buy Lossl and Flo, and if we are still in the PL come the end of May spend another Ā£30/Ā£40 million to strengthen the full back and midfield/wide positions. If we go down we would still have a squad capable of coming straight back up as long as we can keep Wagner. Watching Championship matches on Sky underlines the huge gap that exists, we should have no worries about doing a L***s, and staying there for decades.
7. On the way home I listened to the inquest on the Ipswich game on Radio Leeds FM, it went a long way towards lightening my mood. I loathe LU and always will.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 14, 2018 11:17:19 GMT 1
Nobody played well though Smith had a shocker and Mooy looks knackered If we have to finger point First goal - Lolley and Lossl Second goal - Zanka could win his header but MA skill and strength is too good for Smith (or any Town player) Third goal - VLP for running into blind alley, Hogg for headless running around and smith for leaving lanzini on side Fourth - Schindler for getting rolled on the half way line Plenty of players made costly errors For me we played poorly (but were worse against Chelsea and Burnley) however the difference was the two lads West Ham had upfront who capitalised on pretty every error
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 14, 2018 11:19:53 GMT 1
Nobody played well though Smith had a shocker and Mooy looks knackered If we have to finger point First goal - Lolley and Lossl Second goal - Zanka could win his header but MA skill and strength is too good for Smith (or any Town player) Third goal - VLP for running into blind alley, Hogg for headless running around and smith for leaving lanzini on side Fourth - Schindler for getting rolled on the half way line Plenty of players made costly errors For me we played poorly (but were worse against Chelsea and Burnley) however the difference was the two lads West Ham had upfront who capitalised on pretty every error And in the prem. every mistake they donāt miss
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Post by worthington on Jan 14, 2018 11:36:22 GMT 1
In the first match of the season the front 6 were: mooy, billing, palmer, Kachunga Ince and Mounie. I suggest now it should be mooy, billing, sabiri, ince, depoitre, mounie. As long as Hogg is there Mooy is doing the attacking and creative work of 2 people, and he can't. If you play a high pressing game you don;t need a deep lying defensive midfielder, especially one who can't see a pass and slows everything down. Let's play our best footballers.
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Post by tangle on Jan 14, 2018 11:40:09 GMT 1
In the first match of the season the front 6 were: mooy, billing, palmer, Kachunga Ince and Mounie. I suggest now it should be mooy, billing, sabiri, ince, depoitre, mounie. As long as Hogg is there Mooy is doing the attacking and creative work of 2 people, and he can't. If you play a high pressing game you don;t need a deep lying defensive midfielder, especially one who can't see a pass and slows everything down. Let's play our best footballers.
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Post by tangle on Jan 14, 2018 11:42:00 GMT 1
In the first match of the season the front 6 were: mooy, billing, palmer, Kachunga Ince and Mounie. I suggest now it should be mooy, billing, sabiri, ince, depoitre, mounie. As long as Hogg is there Mooy is doing the attacking and creative work of 2 people, and he can't. If you play a high pressing game you don;t need a deep lying defensive midfielder, especially one who can't see a pass and slows everything down. Let's play our best footballers. I love Hogg, but feel we are playing him too deep heās more like a sweeper at times, need him further up the pitch to support Mooy in my opinion, let the centre halves do their own job.
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Post by pixie on Jan 14, 2018 12:01:54 GMT 1
What a typical lazy response. If you've something interesting to say, why don't you let us all in on it? As far as 9/11 is concerned what you actually know would probably fit on the back of a postage stamp so I wouldn't pursue that subject if I were you. Yeah it was nuclear bombs what did it! No planes involved at all- they were superimposed on peoples minds.. and cameras. And besides theyre made out of aluminium so would only crumple against the side of the building and fall off. Whats the security like at your place? Do they know you have access to a computer? Why did I know it wouldn't be long before you came along with your infantile rantings. As this isn't the subject of this thread I won't say much but I'll just point out the only way that 90% of a 110 story building made of concrete and thousands of 2 inch steel box girders can turn into microscopic dust is as a result of an underground nuclear detonation. Nothing else would have achieved this. Would you also quote the law of physics that would enable a plane with a 3mm aluminium shell to penetrate and even disappear into the said building, wings as well, without breaking up. There is even an official video that shows the nose of the plane protruding from the opposite side of the building! No further comments are necessary. I think you are the one that should be put in a padded cell Captain. a 110 sto
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 13:02:47 GMT 1
Ball retention in the first half was the best we've witnessed in weeks, are you blind? He started Lolley because Pritchard only joined yesterday, Sabiri doesn't look ready for this level, and we have nobody else. Pritchard looked interesting..looked to get involved but I think hes going to find the physical step a big struggle. Kongolo looked like he'd never seen a football before. Hopefully that was related to coming on late into a lost game...definitely wouldn't expect him to dislodge Zanka or Schindler any time soon. Based on having seen them for how long in a PL game? Based on what I saw yesterday obviously. And hopefully theyāll both put the effort in and be up to contributing more compeltely in as short a time as possible, at which time Iāll then have a different opinion. Same as with Depoitre, he was physically out of his depth at Premier League level at the start of the season but had to play because of Mounie being crocked. I called it out at the time, was lambasted for it, and then weeks later, both he and Wagner publicly stated that Depoitre wasnāt at the required fitness level at the start of the season. Itās not difficult. You are allowed to say what you see based on the evidence on the pitch, and you are allowed to change your mind you know! As things stand today, Pritchard has got a lot of work to do in order to make the physical step up in such a key role, and as things stand, Kongolo looks like he needs quite a few more intensive match paced training sessions before Iād risk him when it matters. Please donāt cry, I fully accept (and hope) they might turn out to be the signings of the season. š¤·š¼āāļøš
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 13:12:57 GMT 1
Based on having seen them for how long in a PL game? Based on what I saw yesterday obviously. And hopefully theyāll both put the effort in and be up to contributing more compeltely in as short a time as possible, at which time Iāll then have a different opinion. Same as with Depoitre, he was physically out of his depth at Premier League level at the start of the season but had to play because of Mounie being crocked. I called it out at the time, was lambasted for it, and then weeks later, both he and Wagner publicly stated that Depoitre wasnāt at the required fitness level at the start of the season. Itās not difficult. You are allowed to say what you see based on the evidence on the pitch, and you are allowed to change your mind you know! As things stand today, Pritchard has got a lot of work to do in order to make the physical step up in such a key role, and as things stand, Kongolo looks like he needs quite a few more intensive match paced training sessions before Iād risk him when it matters. Please donāt cry, I fully accept (and hope) they might turn out to be the signings of the season. š¤·š¼āāļøš Who's crying? I was just questioning how it would be possible to make this assertions based on having seen them for practically no time at all at this level and when they have not had a chance to gel with the team. As ever, DATM descends all too quickly into childish insinuation. I really can't be arsed to respond in kind. Its boring.
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Post by drewden on Jan 14, 2018 13:52:50 GMT 1
The beauty of football is that inprodictably of what happens in a game, is why millions accross the globe watch it.
The could have, should have, is all there after a match is to be debated on.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Wagner will move on to the next game, picking the team he sees fit, and hopefully get 3 points.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 14, 2018 14:01:47 GMT 1
In the first match of the season the front 6 were: mooy, billing, palmer, Kachunga Ince and Mounie. I suggest now it should be mooy, billing, sabiri, ince, depoitre, mounie. As long as Hogg is there Mooy is doing the attacking and creative work of 2 people, and he can't. If you play a high pressing game you don;t need a deep lying defensive midfielder, especially one who can't see a pass and slows everything down. Let's play our best footballers. Hogg has been one of our best players of the season. He was crap yesterday as was Mooy, they made noble look like zidane. It was an off day. But Billing certainly isnāt the answer. Are people forgetting how crap he was playing before his injury?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 14, 2018 14:05:32 GMT 1
In the first match of the season the front 6 were: mooy, billing, palmer, Kachunga Ince and Mounie. I suggest now it should be mooy, billing, sabiri, ince, depoitre, mounie. As long as Hogg is there Mooy is doing the attacking and creative work of 2 people, and he can't. If you play a high pressing game you don;t need a deep lying defensive midfielder, especially one who can't see a pass and slows everything down. Let's play our best footballers. Hogg has been one of our best players of the season. He was crap yesterday as was Mooy, they made noble look like zidane. It was an off day. But Billing certainly isnāt the answer. Are people forgetting how crap he was playing before his injury? Billing is average , looks like bambi on ice most games.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 14, 2018 14:39:08 GMT 1
In the first match of the season the front 6 were: mooy, billing, palmer, Kachunga Ince and Mounie. I suggest now it should be mooy, billing, sabiri, ince, depoitre, mounie. As long as Hogg is there Mooy is doing the attacking and creative work of 2 people, and he can't. If you play a high pressing game you don;t need a deep lying defensive midfielder, especially one who can't see a pass and slows everything down. Let's play our best footballers. No room for Pritchard then? Waste of Ā£10m obviously.
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Post by freddyk on Jan 14, 2018 15:01:58 GMT 1
Okay everyone has a take so I'll give mine. Here is a simple plan based on historical vulnerabilities
1. Every team in the PL knows that we have an error or two playing out from the back. Teams plan and wait for those errors 2) attack defensive players in pairs. 3. Mooy was their only target man - stop Mooy stop Huddersfield. 4. We have been shown to be vulnerable immediately after the break. 5. Finally when we do cross there is rarely anyone on the backpost. 6. DePoitre has great strength but we cannot seem to get the ball to him - crosses rarely find him.
I wasn't happy when DW changed a winning side a little while ago - he is becoming a little bit of a tinkerer. Needs to pick his strongest 11 and stick to it. Perhaps he also needs to cut down with the intensity of training and start tapering off players could be getting jaded.
When Pritchard came on I did like how he worked with Mooy and also the little flick and 1/2 to DePoitre - that move stopped with a rugby tackle. Terrible day but must give credit to WH - they came with a plan and it worked.
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Post by deadleg on Jan 14, 2018 15:38:31 GMT 1
Oh, right - any particular reason why his record is woeful (famous relegations, monumentally famous bad decisions)? He presided over a Man City side that had one of the longest runs without scoring a goal in Premier League history. To combat this he decided to put David James up front in the second half of a game because heās a big lad! Your comment seems to have been designed for me because the David James story is my favourite footballing anecdote to tell ever! That's sound English tactical thinking is that. Playing two up front is, after all, the only way to truly display positivity on a football pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 16:52:43 GMT 1
Based on what I saw yesterday obviously. And hopefully theyāll both put the effort in and be up to contributing more compeltely in as short a time as possible, at which time Iāll then have a different opinion. Same as with Depoitre, he was physically out of his depth at Premier League level at the start of the season but had to play because of Mounie being crocked. I called it out at the time, was lambasted for it, and then weeks later, both he and Wagner publicly stated that Depoitre wasnāt at the required fitness level at the start of the season. Itās not difficult. You are allowed to say what you see based on the evidence on the pitch, and you are allowed to change your mind you know! As things stand today, Pritchard has got a lot of work to do in order to make the physical step up in such a key role, and as things stand, Kongolo looks like he needs quite a few more intensive match paced training sessions before Iād risk him when it matters. Please donāt cry, I fully accept (and hope) they might turn out to be the signings of the season. š¤·š¼āāļøš Who's crying? I was just questioning how it would be possible to make this assertions based on having seen them for practically no time at all at this level and when they have not had a chance to gel with the team. As ever, DATM descends all too quickly into childish insinuation. I really can't be arsed to respond in kind. Its boring. Whatās boring is what youāve done which is just dismiss an opinion without any reasoning or without any alternative opinion put forward. If you canāt pick up and make a snap opinion on a player and then refine it all the time as things progress, then whatās the point....do we not talk about Pritchard for a month because itās ātoo earlyā to judge him?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 16:55:06 GMT 1
He presided over a Man City side that had one of the longest runs without scoring a goal in Premier League history. To combat this he decided to put David James up front in the second half of a game because heās a big lad! Your comment seems to have been designed for me because the David James story is my favourite footballing anecdote to tell ever! That's sound English tactical thinking is that. Playing two up front is, after all, the only way to truly display positivity on a football pitch. worked for west ham.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 14, 2018 17:01:15 GMT 1
Hogg has been one of our best players of the season. He was crap yesterday as was Mooy, they made noble look like zidane. It was an off day. But Billing certainly isnāt the answer. Are people forgetting how crap he was playing before his injury? Billing is average , looks like bambi on ice most games. Grow up Nick.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jan 14, 2018 17:05:14 GMT 1
In the first match of the season the front 6 were: mooy, billing, palmer, Kachunga Ince and Mounie. I suggest now it should be mooy, billing, sabiri, ince, depoitre, mounie. As long as Hogg is there Mooy is doing the attacking and creative work of 2 people, and he can't. If you play a high pressing game you don;t need a deep lying defensive midfielder, especially one who can't see a pass and slows everything down. Let's play our best footballers. Bloody hell - you didn't give Pritchard much time.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 14, 2018 18:26:38 GMT 1
The basic requirement for teams to be able to progress or survive at premier league level are skill, "intelligence " ,and to be able to execute a workable game plan
Sadly or worryingly none of the above mentioned were in abundance against the hammers , and what we witnessed was nothing much more than a set of up market championship quality town players struggling badly " especially in defence " to compete with some of the more decent players in this division .
The amount of room given to the West Ham players was very worrying to say the least
Wagner and his back up staff should know by now that this town team do not have the required skill to play out from the back at this level , and that our " predictable game plan " has been worked out by opposition teams long before the start .
I just hope that the new arrivals can add a bit of spark to the team as we all know that this town team can perform far better to raise the noise levels of our champions league quality supporters.
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Post by explorer on Jan 14, 2018 18:40:19 GMT 1
I hope we are all watching Liverpool vs Man City? If you arenāt...let me tell you that City have just shown us that ANY team - even the unbeaten āChampions Electā can fall apart like a cheap suit without warning. So it shouldnāt really be a surprise when our vastly inferior team does the same on occasion, should it?
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