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Post by detox on Apr 19, 2018 12:09:09 GMT 1
The changes to canalside sounded to be substantive from what Dean said...I wonder if it is expanding as well as upgrading ?
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Post by detox on Apr 19, 2018 12:11:25 GMT 1
i asked the question about him 'paying himself back' from the PL £m's, but he quite rightly said he now has an asset of substantial value(which will more than pay back what he's invested in the club)..But, he's had NO offers to buy the club off him..yet...
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Post by Melc on Apr 19, 2018 12:29:40 GMT 1
Can see major changes at Canalside & not just building work if it is to become a Prem standard facility. Inevitably parts will have to become far more secure & isolated from the members. Burnley should be our blueprint for the changes at Canalside, which would certainly make the main building private from the social club. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 12:54:00 GMT 1
Good interview that. Nice to see a football club owner whose feet are rooted in reality.
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Post by kes on Apr 19, 2018 12:59:07 GMT 1
Can see major changes at Canalside & not just building work if it is to become a Prem standard facility. Inevitably parts will have to become far more secure & isolated from the members. Burnley should be our blueprint for the changes at Canalside, which would certainly make the main building private from the social club. Pretty sure this will be the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 13:07:21 GMT 1
Really? Kongolo erratic? Wow Agreed with you on this, Natural centre half playing left back and he looks fully assured every time he's under pressure, the word erratic doesnt spring to mind! my only downside to him is that he's not very effective going forward but he is naturally a centre back so its understandable Neither of you have seen him fall on his arse whilst clearing a ball, or even the time he managed to kick the ball into his own face under no pressure?! He's good, very good, BUT, he has the mistakes in him that put a realistic value for him at closer to £5/6/7m than £15m for me. Someone akin to Karim Rekik (came through Man City development) and playing well at Hertha, is probably similar (and younger) and yet would likely be around £5m tops. He's seen by his country as good enough to line up alongside Van Dijk and Blind. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 13:12:54 GMT 1
i asked the question about him 'paying himself back' from the PL £m's, but he quite rightly said he now has an asset of substantial value(which will more than pay back what he's invested in the club)..But, he's had NO offers to buy the club off him..yet... Indeed, and the recent accounts specifically say.... "...we are now looking ahead to plan and assess future potential investments, both on and off the pitch". Sounds like he's looking to grow the business, not exit it. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 19, 2018 13:14:18 GMT 1
Agreed with you on this, Natural centre half playing left back and he looks fully assured every time he's under pressure, the word erratic doesnt spring to mind! my only downside to him is that he's not very effective going forward but he is naturally a centre back so its understandable Neither of you have seen him fall on his arse whilst clearing a ball, or even the time he managed to kick the ball into his own face under no pressure?! He's good, very good, BUT, he has the mistakes in him that put a realistic value for him at closer to £5/6/7m than £15m for me. Someone akin to Karim Rekik (came through Man City development) and playing well at Hertha, is probably similar (and younger) and yet would likely be around £5m tops. He's seen by his country as good enough to line up alongside Van Dijk and Blind. I have seen pretty much every kick of every ball this season. I have seen Roy Keane kick a ball in his own face, doesn't make him erratic, Alf-Inge Haland may disagree. Only my opinion but i think he is class. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 13:49:22 GMT 1
Good interview that. Nice to see a football club owner whose feet are rooted in reality. i agree what a man to have in charge of the club.regarding wagner I have no doubt he will be here next season if we stay up. if not I'm not so sure but what a honest and pracytible man Dean his |
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Post by royrace on Apr 19, 2018 13:55:30 GMT 1
There must be less erratic players than Kongolo available in that role at half the supposed price though. For all what he brings that is positive, he seems even more susceptible than Hefele to a total and utter cock up where it looks like he's never kicked a football before! For a left footer he has a very awkward left foot. I'm with you otherwise....a decent full back who ideally can cover Schindler (with Hef currently as backup to Zanka), a decent physical technical winger if available (but bearing in mind we have Kachunga effectively adding to Ince, VLP (and Quaner) here, so it's not hypercritical given we don't know what Ince/Kachunga are likely to be at after a good break and full pre season....winger could be a nice January boost. And then an actual effective equal to Pritchard is second key area, so we aren't throwing Ince in there....someone like Palmer still as a chance to be that player, seems to be over his injury but not getting the minutes so must be more attainable than he was last summer. Or someone else. But on the number 10, I do also like the alternative of packing things a bit deeper as we did late v Watford when introducing Billling without losing Mooy or Hogg. Bearing in mind we'll have Williams back who seems ready made for that "we're a hard tackling defensive unit of 3 but if I get the ball I'll drive forward with it" type role. Tweaks. Kongolo replacement. Pritchard alternate. Someone better or similar to VLP/Ince....in that order. And try and get away with another season out of Hogg but please please please take the armband well away from him. I wouldn’t say erratic, he’s a young guy coming into arguably the best league in the world and I think his upside potential is top 6. If Monaco paid £13.5m for him then I can’t imagine that they will part with him for less than £18m for him. Since he’s been in the side I’ve felt we have been tighter at the back and a better team for having him. That all said, if we can’t afford him then a very solid LB who can go forward would be welcomed, not sure who we could get but I have no doubt we will have an eye on a cheap yet good prospect. When it comes to the winger, we need an upgrade on RVLP/Ince and co. We need someone who has an end product because that’s been where we have struggled this season. I hope we break our transfer record on this position. I'm not sure where the idea comes from that Monaco will be expecting to make money on him?! They bought him, had a look at him and shipped him out on loan. He hasn't been part of their plans so why would they think he's appreciated in value by £5M?! I'm a massive fan of Terrence but based on his performances for us (which have been on average good but not brilliant) I don't see there being many suitors willing to pay almost £20M. If we stay up hopefully a deal could be done, as has been mentioned we'd effectively be getting two positions covered although we lose something going forward with him at LB, I dare say he could improve in that area though. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Apr 19, 2018 15:14:19 GMT 1
I wouldn’t say erratic, he’s a young guy coming into arguably the best league in the world and I think his upside potential is top 6. If Monaco paid £13.5m for him then I can’t imagine that they will part with him for less than £18m for him. Since he’s been in the side I’ve felt we have been tighter at the back and a better team for having him. That all said, if we can’t afford him then a very solid LB who can go forward would be welcomed, not sure who we could get but I have no doubt we will have an eye on a cheap yet good prospect. When it comes to the winger, we need an upgrade on RVLP/Ince and co. We need someone who has an end product because that’s been where we have struggled this season. I hope we break our transfer record on this position. I'm not sure where the idea comes from that Monaco will be expecting to make money on him?! They bought him, had a look at him and shipped him out on loan. He hasn't been part of their plans so why would they think he's appreciated in value by £5M?! I'm a massive fan of Terrence but based on his performances for us (which have been on average good but not brilliant) I don't see there being many suitors willing to pay almost £20M. If we stay up hopefully a deal could be done, as has been mentioned we'd effectively be getting two positions covered although we lose something going forward with him at LB, I dare say he could improve in that area though. I would say it’s based on the fact that Monaco were knocked out of European football by coming last in their CL group. The fact that Monaco’s first choice back four are all valued at £20m plus. They shipped him out because they thought it was better to get game time rather than warm the pine, not because he’s no good. He has 4 years to run on his contract and will be very valuable cover for them once they play CL at the start of the new season. So yes, I think someone will have to pay up if they want him, otherwise he’ll go back and play for Monaco. |
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Post by benhomly on Apr 19, 2018 15:32:29 GMT 1
Agreed with you on this, Natural centre half playing left back and he looks fully assured every time he's under pressure, the word erratic doesnt spring to mind! my only downside to him is that he's not very effective going forward but he is naturally a centre back so its understandable Neither of you have seen him fall on his arse whilst clearing a ball, or even the time he managed to kick the ball into his own face under no pressure?! He's good, very good, BUT, he has the mistakes in him that put a realistic value for him at closer to £5/6/7m than £15m for me. Someone akin to Karim Rekik (came through Man City development) and playing well at Hertha, is probably similar (and younger) and yet would likely be around £5m tops. He's seen by his country as good enough to line up alongside Van Dijk and Blind. I remember Malone kicking the ball in his own face under no pressure but don't remember Kongolo doing it? |
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Post by royrace on Apr 19, 2018 15:51:25 GMT 1
I'm not sure where the idea comes from that Monaco will be expecting to make money on him?! They bought him, had a look at him and shipped him out on loan. He hasn't been part of their plans so why would they think he's appreciated in value by £5M?! I'm a massive fan of Terrence but based on his performances for us (which have been on average good but not brilliant) I don't see there being many suitors willing to pay almost £20M. If we stay up hopefully a deal could be done, as has been mentioned we'd effectively be getting two positions covered although we lose something going forward with him at LB, I dare say he could improve in that area though. I would say it’s based on the fact that Monaco were knocked out of European football by coming last in their CL group. The fact that Monaco’s first choice back four are all valued at £20m plus. They shipped him out because they thought it was better to get game time rather than warm the pine, not because he’s no good. He has 4 years to run on his contract and will be very valuable cover for them once they play CL at the start of the new season. So yes, I think someone will have to pay up if they want him, otherwise he’ll go back and play for Monaco. Like us with Jack Payne then maybe although obviously much lower level. ie we buy him, rate him but don't think he's good enough to even warm the bench, we send him out on loan, he plays some games and then we think we can sell him at purchase price plus 35%? Its unlikely and Jack has had a brilliant season in L1. I'm not sure why Monaco would suddenly want him back if they didn't need him this season but I'm no expert. Its not like he's a young pup needing experience, he's a full international, Monaco clearly don't want and/or need him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 15:56:57 GMT 1
Neither of you have seen him fall on his arse whilst clearing a ball, or even the time he managed to kick the ball into his own face under no pressure?! He's good, very good, BUT, he has the mistakes in him that put a realistic value for him at closer to £5/6/7m than £15m for me. Someone akin to Karim Rekik (came through Man City development) and playing well at Hertha, is probably similar (and younger) and yet would likely be around £5m tops. He's seen by his country as good enough to line up alongside Van Dijk and Blind. I have seen pretty much every kick of every ball this season. I have seen Roy Keane kick a ball in his own face, doesn't make him erratic, Alf-Inge Haland may disagree. Only my opinion but i think he is class. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s class too. I’m just talking about the difference between a £5-£7m defender and a £12-£17m defender, which is laughable in itself! Plenty available as good as him at better value....although it’s a position we’ve always seemed to struggle to recruit in for whatever reason....I don’t really recall a halfway decent one in between Cowan and Lowe....and there have been LOTS! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 16:00:12 GMT 1
I wouldn’t say erratic, he’s a young guy coming into arguably the best league in the world and I think his upside potential is top 6. If Monaco paid £13.5m for him then I can’t imagine that they will part with him for less than £18m for him. Since he’s been in the side I’ve felt we have been tighter at the back and a better team for having him. That all said, if we can’t afford him then a very solid LB who can go forward would be welcomed, not sure who we could get but I have no doubt we will have an eye on a cheap yet good prospect. When it comes to the winger, we need an upgrade on RVLP/Ince and co. We need someone who has an end product because that’s been where we have struggled this season. I hope we break our transfer record on this position. I'm not sure where the idea comes from that Monaco will be expecting to make money on him?! They bought him, had a look at him and shipped him out on loan. He hasn't been part of their plans so why would they think he's appreciated in value by £5M?! I'm a massive fan of Terrence but based on his performances for us (which have been on average good but not brilliant) I don't see there being many suitors willing to pay almost £20M. If we stay up hopefully a deal could be done, as has been mentioned we'd effectively be getting two positions covered although we lose something going forward with him at LB, I dare say he could improve in that area though. I think Dean specifically said that Monaco hoped to increase/sustain Kongolo’s value by loaning him to us and that was one of the factors that enabled the deal to happen. Someone reported back something like that from a Q&A session, or Radio Leeds or something, a few weeks back. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 19, 2018 16:11:53 GMT 1
I have seen pretty much every kick of every ball this season. I have seen Roy Keane kick a ball in his own face, doesn't make him erratic, Alf-Inge Haland may disagree. Only my opinion but i think he is class. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s class too. I’m just talking about the difference between a £5-£7m defender and a £12-£17m defender, which is laughable in itself! Plenty available as good as him at better value....although it’s a position we’ve always seemed to struggle to recruit in for whatever reason....I don’t really recall a halfway decent one in between Cowan and Lowe....and there have been LOTS! Yeah i think you are bang on there regarding fees, i am sure there are players available at better value. Finding them is a difficult task but i am sure one we can manage, hopefully. |
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Post by yappledapple on Apr 19, 2018 17:56:46 GMT 1
Clappers - here to stay; regardless of opinion they improve the atmosphere. DH did say they did try one game without them and there was, in his opinion, a deterioration in the atmosphere.
Can anyone remember which game that was when we were clapperless?
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 19, 2018 17:57:10 GMT 1
Spoiler alert, if you are interested in listening to this then don’t read any further. Took a walk and listened to this. Fabulous insight and made my walk go quickly. The part I took out of it was that the club spent £50-60m on players and won’t be able to do that again. I imagine it’ll be in the £35-£45m as the top end of the range. He also mentioned that they aren’t wanting to turn over the squad too much and Kongolo is most likely to be priced too high for Town. A lot of interesting stuff in there about the ground and other general interest stuff. Worth noting that we were told that we wouldn’t be splashing out more than “3 or 4 million” per player this season and then went and spent £50m on players valued at £8m upwards. I think much of the playing things down we do is tactical to stop press and agents whipping things up and over inflating targets prices. |
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Post by PellonTerrier on Apr 19, 2018 19:04:40 GMT 1
I have seen pretty much every kick of every ball this season. I have seen Roy Keane kick a ball in his own face, doesn't make him erratic, Alf-Inge Haland may disagree. Only my opinion but i think he is class. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s class too. I’m just talking about the difference between a £5-£7m defender and a £12-£17m defender, which is laughable in itself! Plenty available as good as him at better value....although it’s a position we’ve always seemed to struggle to recruit in for whatever reason....I don’t really recall a halfway decent one in between Cowan and Lowe....and there have been LOTS! Jamie Vincent |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 19:10:57 GMT 1
Spoiler alert, if you are interested in listening to this then don’t read any further. Took a walk and listened to this. Fabulous insight and made my walk go quickly. The part I took out of it was that the club spent £50-60m on players and won’t be able to do that again. I imagine it’ll be in the £35-£45m as the top end of the range. He also mentioned that they aren’t wanting to turn over the squad too much and Kongolo is most likely to be priced too high for Town. A lot of interesting stuff in there about the ground and other general interest stuff. Worth noting that we were told that we wouldn’t be splashing out more than “3 or 4 million” per player this season and then went and spent £50m on players valued at £8m upwards. I think much of the playing things down we do is tactical to stop press and agents whipping things up and over inflating targets prices. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 19:12:21 GMT 1
Worth noting that we were told that we wouldn’t be splashing out more than “3 or 4 million” per player this season and then went and spent £50m on players valued at £8m upwards. I think much of the playing things down we do is tactical to stop press and agents whipping things up and over inflating targets prices. you are correct that is the name of the game.Deans not daft |
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Post by yappledapple on Apr 19, 2018 20:43:30 GMT 1
The question was asked about Joe lolley's sale price to Notts forest - he was very open about it: £750k plus add ons.
Was complimentary about him and said he needed to play regularly.
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Post by zoso on Apr 19, 2018 20:44:33 GMT 1
Reight enjoyed that. Top man Deano.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 19, 2018 21:06:47 GMT 1
Agreed with you on this, Natural centre half playing left back and he looks fully assured every time he's under pressure, the word erratic doesnt spring to mind! my only downside to him is that he's not very effective going forward but he is naturally a centre back so its understandable Neither of you have seen him fall on his arse whilst clearing a ball, or even the time he managed to kick the ball into his own face under no pressure?! He's good, very good, BUT, he has the mistakes in him that put a realistic value for him at closer to £5/6/7m than £15m for me. Someone akin to Karim Rekik (came through Man City development) and playing well at Hertha, is probably similar (and younger) and yet would likely be around £5m tops. He's seen by his country as good enough to line up alongside Van Dijk and Blind. Just for clarity . What wouldn’t you have paid for chris wood ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 22:23:30 GMT 1
Neither of you have seen him fall on his arse whilst clearing a ball, or even the time he managed to kick the ball into his own face under no pressure?! He's good, very good, BUT, he has the mistakes in him that put a realistic value for him at closer to £5/6/7m than £15m for me. Someone akin to Karim Rekik (came through Man City development) and playing well at Hertha, is probably similar (and younger) and yet would likely be around £5m tops. He's seen by his country as good enough to line up alongside Van Dijk and Blind. Just for clarity . What wouldn’t you have paid for chris wood ? I'd have offered slightly more than we paid for Mounie, but I wouldn't have gone as far as Burnley paid, so he likely wouldn't have joined my club. What's that got to do with anything?! Is he any good as a wing back? |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Apr 19, 2018 22:35:00 GMT 1
I would say it’s based on the fact that Monaco were knocked out of European football by coming last in their CL group. The fact that Monaco’s first choice back four are all valued at £20m plus. They shipped him out because they thought it was better to get game time rather than warm the pine, not because he’s no good. He has 4 years to run on his contract and will be very valuable cover for them once they play CL at the start of the new season. So yes, I think someone will have to pay up if they want him, otherwise he’ll go back and play for Monaco. Like us with Jack Payne then maybe although obviously much lower level. ie we buy him, rate him but don't think he's good enough to even warm the bench, we send him out on loan, he plays some games and then we think we can sell him at purchase price plus 35%? Its unlikely and Jack has had a brilliant season in L1. I'm not sure why Monaco would suddenly want him back if they didn't need him this season but I'm no expert. Its not like he's a young pup needing experience, he's a full international, Monaco clearly don't want and/or need him. Its not like the Jack Payne situation at all. Monaco are giving him game time against CL opposition by loaning him to Town, which is something Monaco can’t offer him currently. The lad is 24 and has a bright future. Think of our top 6 who have £20m+ players sitting on the bench. Kongolo is depth for Monaco, who I’m sure thought that they were going to be playing in at least the Europa league knockout stages if not CL, not just a look and goodbye after 6 months of a 5 year contract. So if anyone wants Kongolo then they will have to pay up so Monaco can go find a replacement. |
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Apr 19, 2018 22:41:00 GMT 1
I have seen pretty much every kick of every ball this season. I have seen Roy Keane kick a ball in his own face, doesn't make him erratic, Alf-Inge Haland may disagree. Only my opinion but i think he is class. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s class too. I’m just talking about the difference between a £5-£7m defender and a £12-£17m defender, which is laughable in itself! Plenty available as good as him at better value....although it’s a position we’ve always seemed to struggle to recruit in for whatever reason....I don’t really recall a halfway decent one in between Cowan and Lowe....and there have been LOTS! Didn't Jamie Vincent win player of the season from left back? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 20, 2018 0:10:19 GMT 1
Agreed. Out wide is where the bulk of our attention ( and money ) should be spent IMO.
VLP has been good , even with a lack of end product. He offers the team other things such as an ability to drive forward with the ball. But we need to improve on him if we can.
The other wide options aren;t quite at this level IMO
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Post by alexdire on Apr 20, 2018 7:47:32 GMT 1
Clappers - here to stay; regardless of opinion they improve the atmosphere. DH did say they did try one game without them and there was, in his opinion, a deterioration in the atmosphere. Can anyone remember which game that was when we were clapperless? Birmingham City in the cup when there was about 13000 there. |
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