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Post by est1908 on Dec 8, 2018 22:19:37 GMT 1
Look. We all know what the problem is & have done for weeks now. Even Stevie Wonder could see it! We don’t need to spend £100m as has been mentioned previously but we will need to spend £20-£30m on 2 strikers or the game’s up. But there is another 3 weeks before the window opens & we have to get a minimum of 4 points from the next 2, no excuses. LDP could play until NEXT Christmas & he won’t score. Thanks for last season fella but you are way off being good enough. Mounie might bag a few in time but he’ll never be prolific. Has to be time to try something different, Mbenza up top, he has pace at least. And any new recruits simply have to be in as early in January as possible. Really hope those behind the scenes are working very hard now to do the business. When everyone else is doing their job, would be a real shame to go down because we just can’t score. Is this system ever going to produce many goals though? That's the point I'm trying to make It contains 5 defenders and two fairly defensive midfielders. Mooy is somewhat attacking but too often ends up back doing the dirty work meaning he can't get far enough up. So that leaves an attacking midfielder and striker to shoulder the blame for our lack of goals As it happens I don't rate the players we have playing in those 2 positions but I'm not sure that bringing in better will suddenly change everything. The system makes us look competitive but I don't think it's one which will ever allow us to score enough unless you have an individual performance like Mooys at Wolves when he stuck away two corkers. You only have to look at Lowe today. 3 times he got in to advanced positions and produces attempts which wouldn't have looked out of place in a 10 year old kick about on the local rec. You can't be relying on players like him to do something in the final third Wagner needs to make a decision on whether he's happy to continue competing and losing by the odd goal or taking a chance and playing a more open formation that maybe sacrifices decent possession but has more attacking players on the pitch and gives us a better chance of scoring a few goals. We might have a few games where we get stuffed (although we have done playing this formation too) but it might see us accumulate more points and stay up Cheer up FFS.... In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if your other username is chris92.
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Post by arry11 on Dec 8, 2018 22:22:37 GMT 1
Look. We all know what the problem is & have done for weeks now. Even Stevie Wonder could see it! We don’t need to spend £100m as has been mentioned previously but we will need to spend £20-£30m on 2 strikers or the game’s up. But there is another 3 weeks before the window opens & we have to get a minimum of 4 points from the next 2, no excuses. LDP could play until NEXT Christmas & he won’t score. Thanks for last season fella but you are way off being good enough. Mounie might bag a few in time but he’ll never be prolific. Has to be time to try something different, Mbenza up top, he has pace at least. And any new recruits simply have to be in as early in January as possible. Really hope those behind the scenes are working very hard now to do the business. When everyone else is doing their job, would be a real shame to go down because we just can’t score. Have we got £20-£30 mill in the pot not sure we can spend that on 2 strikers when we really only play with 1. I think we may try and add some attack minded midfielders who can help bring out the best of our strikers we already have plus a mobile striker we need better movement and understanding imo .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 22:30:38 GMT 1
Not really Morley. Last season we were miles off for a lot of games, Arsenal being one of them. We got torn a new one last year, not this time. We have only been ‘not that far off’ this season only so the record ain’t been playing that long. There is a massive difference in this seasons performances to last seasons. We will only know come May, if it isn’t enough then fair enough but I for one am very happy with our performances of late. Would much rather this scenario than win some, lose some, draw some in another division. I went last season,it was men v boys. Today, we pushed them hard and competed as equals. If fans cannot see the progress, they are blind, stupid or wumming. you are correct we competed all over the field and certainly wasn't going to be bullied as a team we have progressed and people who cannot see that have very limited knowledge or none at all about the game. forget other teams if we keep working we have as good a chance of staying up as some others.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 8, 2018 22:31:59 GMT 1
And that is exactly what everybody thinks when they see you are posting, whatever name you use. Harsh. He may be a miserable twat (😁) but he does make decent, if slightly negative, points. F*** Me. If Kongolo is only "slightly" negative, I'd really really hate to see what you think is full blown negative or even worse very negative.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 8, 2018 22:32:38 GMT 1
And that is exactly what everybody thinks when they see you are posting, whatever name you use. Harsh. He may be a miserable twat (😁) but he does make decent, if slightly negative, points. Agree (edit - other than the 'slightly'). He goes well OTT and at times seems like he's being intentionally provocative, but at least he makes points with some element of reasoning (whether you agree or not). It's better than the 'throw away' negative comments a few others mainly post.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 8, 2018 22:51:34 GMT 1
It was a shirt pull. I don't know how many times you need telling that it is against the rules to pull a players shirt. He dived after but the first offence was the shirt pull So you thought it was a penalty when your namesake was having the shirt pulled off his back at the corner with about ten to go?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 8, 2018 22:52:57 GMT 1
It was a shirt pull. I don't know how many times you need telling that it is against the rules to pull a players shirt. He dived after but the first offence was the shirt pull So you thought it was a penalty when your namesake was having the shirt pulled off his back at the corner with about ten to go? I've already said it was if you want to look back.
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 8, 2018 23:10:10 GMT 1
So you thought it was a penalty when your namesake was having the shirt pulled off his back at the corner with about ten to go? I've already said it was if you want to look back. Fair play if you did, I'm only up to page 12.
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Post by muffinman on Dec 9, 2018 0:05:27 GMT 1
When fit can we try...
Lossl Zanka Schindler Kongolo Durm Mooy Pritchard Hogg Lowe Mbenza Mounie
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Post by greyarea on Dec 9, 2018 1:48:55 GMT 1
When fit can we try... Lossl Zanka Schindler Kongolo Durm Mooy Pritchard Hogg Lowe Mbenza Mounie Pritchard would get lost in the centre. He is a fantastic player. All his good work is most effective in the top 3rd in the positive in between the front forward and centre-mids. Honestly if he holding a more central position around the centre-circle he'd disappear with the game passing him by. It would almost be a reverse Aaron Mooy when Mooy is pushed up As a 10. Although a great player he is just not as effective there.
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Post by willo on Dec 9, 2018 1:55:50 GMT 1
Look. We all know what the problem is & have done for weeks now. Even Stevie Wonder could see it! We don’t need to spend £100m as has been mentioned previously but we will need to spend £20-£30m on 2 strikers or the game’s up. But there is another 3 weeks before the window opens & we have to get a minimum of 4 points from the next 2, no excuses. LDP could play until NEXT Christmas & he won’t score. Thanks for last season fella but you are way off being good enough. Mounie might bag a few in time but he’ll never be prolific. Has to be time to try something different, Mbenza up top, he has pace at least. And any new recruits simply have to be in as early in January as possible. Really hope those behind the scenes are working very hard now to do the business. When everyone else is doing their job, would be a real shame to go down because we just can’t score. Have we got £20-£30 mill in the pot not sure we can spend that on 2 strikers when we really only play with 1. I think we may try and add some attack minded midfielders who can help bring out the best of our strikers we already have plus a mobile striker we need better movement and understanding imo . To address your points arry. If we aren’t looking to spend £20-£30m in the upcoming window, things look bleak. Admittedly, it’s not my money but I don’t think this is an unrealistic amount given our PL future is at stake. I believe virtually all our problems lie with the inability of our strikers to score goals. We’ve played very well of late without getting the rewards, all down to the fact we can’t put the ball in the net. We’re creating the chances though. Obviously I wouldn’t say no to a Bradley Dack but equally I’d be ok keeping Pritch. We have Billing & Mooy, both capable of creating opportunities for others. Lowe (certainly up to his recent injury) & Durm have shown they can do it on the wings. Both Mounie & LDP have had enough opportunities this season to have got off the mark and then some, better strikers would have scored a few by now. I don’t know if the answer(s) lies here or overseas. A young player from another PL club could play without fear or be overawed, a player coming from the Championship might not be up to the challenge, someone from the Continent will be almost definitely an unknown quantity. Perhaps Maupay, who is having a good season and scoring in a distinctively average Championship side, for around £10m plus a 6 month loan deal for such as Defoe where we only have his wages to cover, would do it. We have wingers coming out of our ears! I don’t know what VLP has done wrong? Playing fine until he was dropped. I’d probably give Mbenza a start from the go in the next one, absolutely nothing to lose if the alternative is LDP. January is around the corner and we just need to pick up points from the next 2 to avoid being cast adrift. I’m far from pessimistic and like a lot of others, don’t think we’re too far short but this lack of goals from our strikers is getting downright ridiculous.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 9, 2018 2:01:00 GMT 1
Hopefully Hogg’s isn’t too bad. Bacunna looked the goods today, nice passing game, does he have the energy and ability to break up play like Hoggy? Time will tell. Thought we really missed Billing today, watching Williams today highlighted how much our midfield trio of Mooy, Billing and Hogg have progressed. Exactly this - good to see Williams back though and in Sabiri's absence, he will likely replace Mooy in the lineup but Billing will be the one likely tasked with covering Mooy's role within the team. As impressive from the bench as Bacuna was, I'm not sure him and Hogg will be the right pairing without Mooy as the third in the centre of midfield. I could possibly see a role for Hogg and Bacuna in a midfield 3 against the top six though. Agree that it’ll be left to Billing to make up for the loss of Mooy. The ball through to Pritchard from Bacuna was first class, I was frustrated by Pritch’s effort and he should have whipped that across the face of goal. That’s what teams do that score goals. Back to that pass though, it shows that he might be an option ahead of Williams because he has the ability to spot a pass. Some willing runners is what we’ll need.
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Post by Giggity on Dec 9, 2018 12:38:14 GMT 1
When fit can we try... Lossl Zanka Schindler Kongolo Durm Mooy Pritchard Hogg Lowe Mbenza Mounie Pritchard would get lost in the centre. He is a fantastic player. All his good work is most effective in the top 3rd in the positive in between the front forward and centre-mids. Honestly if he holding a more central position around the centre-circle he'd disappear with the game passing him by. It would almost be a reverse Aaron Mooy when Mooy is pushed up As a 10. Although a great player he is just not as effective there. Just because Wagner likes to play 3 CMs in the middle, it doesn't mean we can't be more adventurous and play 2 CMs and 1 AM instead. Afterall, Pritchard has played his entire career as an AM. We badly need creativity in midfield and we desperately need pace up front. Playing Pritchard deeper and Mbenza/Diahkaby/VLP up front may be the final piece of the jigsaw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 13:09:23 GMT 1
20-30 million on 2 strikers? You get 2 like Mounie for that money.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 9, 2018 13:32:52 GMT 1
Exactly this - good to see Williams back though and in Sabiri's absence, he will likely replace Mooy in the lineup but Billing will be the one likely tasked with covering Mooy's role within the team. As impressive from the bench as Bacuna was, I'm not sure him and Hogg will be the right pairing without Mooy as the third in the centre of midfield. I could possibly see a role for Hogg and Bacuna in a midfield 3 against the top six though. Agree that it’ll be left to Billing to make up for the loss of Mooy. The ball through to Pritchard from Bacuna was first class, I was frustrated by Pritch’s effort and he should have whipped that across the face of goal. That’s what teams do that score goals. Back to that pass though, it shows that he might be an option ahead of Williams because he has the ability to spot a pass. Some willing runners is what we’ll need. I've seen a few people saying that it was a lack of effort from Pritchard. It wasn't. He is just slow and you see it every game where he gets beaten to balls that he really should be winning
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 9, 2018 13:40:52 GMT 1
Agree that it’ll be left to Billing to make up for the loss of Mooy. The ball through to Pritchard from Bacuna was first class, I was frustrated by Pritch’s effort and he should have whipped that across the face of goal. That’s what teams do that score goals. Back to that pass though, it shows that he might be an option ahead of Williams because he has the ability to spot a pass. Some willing runners is what we’ll need. I've seen a few people saying that it was a lack of effort from Pritchard. It wasn't. He is just slow and you see it every game where he gets beaten to balls that he really should be winning TBH I think he is slow, but even then he should have done better.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 9, 2018 13:43:09 GMT 1
play 3 central midfielders but one has to make the third man runs as often as possible to support any attacks.. Williams has the engine and the desire to do that..
mooy, hogg, williams ??
its not the 'big name or the potential' but he is the best player we have to accomplish this role..
the last 3 games have pivoted on small margins...
given that, its nowhere near the end of the world or the season for that matter..
we are unlikely to turn into a free scoring side overnight so giving as little away as possible and working from there seems the best way forward..
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2018 13:43:39 GMT 1
Exactly this - good to see Williams back though and in Sabiri's absence, he will likely replace Mooy in the lineup but Billing will be the one likely tasked with covering Mooy's role within the team. As impressive from the bench as Bacuna was, I'm not sure him and Hogg will be the right pairing without Mooy as the third in the centre of midfield. I could possibly see a role for Hogg and Bacuna in a midfield 3 against the top six though. Agree that it’ll be left to Billing to make up for the loss of Mooy. The ball through to Pritchard from Bacuna was first class, I was frustrated by Pritch’s effort and he should have whipped that across the face of goal. That’s what teams do that score goals. Back to that pass though, it shows that he might be an option ahead of Williams because he has the ability to spot a pass. Some willing runners is what we’ll need. Frustrated by his effort? What part of it? He found space, he made the run, and he slid in and tried to win the corner. He isn't the quickest player and he chased everything all afternoon. He was tiring. What else was he meant to do? That sort of ball is what we should be playing through to a quick winger or striker. But we aren't playing with any pace at the moment so balls like that are rarely going to work out for us. If you watch most of his assists they have come from him playing that kind of ball through the defence. But with no one making runs ahead of him he can't do it, and ends up having to do most of that himself. It isn't his fault he isn't rapid, and that isn't his game.
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Post by greyarea on Dec 9, 2018 14:00:56 GMT 1
Pritchard would get lost in the centre. He is a fantastic player. All his good work is most effective in the top 3rd in the positive in between the front forward and centre-mids. Honestly if he holding a more central position around the centre-circle he'd disappear with the game passing him by. It would almost be a reverse Aaron Mooy when Mooy is pushed up As a 10. Although a great player he is just not as effective there. Just because Wagner likes to play 3 CMs in the middle, it doesn't mean we can't be more adventurous and play 2 CMs and 1 AM instead. Afterall, Pritchard has played his entire career as an AM. We badly need creativity in midfield and we desperately need pace up front. Playing Pritchard deeper and Mbenza/Diahkaby/VLP up front may be the final piece of the jigsaw. nonsense. If Town were playing s 4231 then Pritchard would play well in the 10 position. if we are playing 3511 and your asking for Pritchard to play as on of the 8's then I am certain Pritchard would get lost and fans would ask why he had a poor game. he skills set isn't best used from that centre midfield position. I often feel you choose as if it were fantasy football or a computer game. MBenza/Diahkaby/VLP up front? given none are able to receive to hold the ball up from a direct ball and all play running onto a ball in front then our game would collapse. Given that 2 of the players are no where near the match day squad as they are not performing in training, how do you think they are going to do on matchday? Wagner has always demonstrated that he picks on merit and not names or favourites. He sees the players everyday and will far better information to make a judgement than you or I. fantasy football manager sim I think.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 9, 2018 14:48:43 GMT 1
Just because Wagner likes to play 3 CMs in the middle, it doesn't mean we can't be more adventurous and play 2 CMs and 1 AM instead. Afterall, Pritchard has played his entire career as an AM. We badly need creativity in midfield and we desperately need pace up front. Playing Pritchard deeper and Mbenza/Diahkaby/VLP up front may be the final piece of the jigsaw. nonsense. If Town were playing s 4231 then Pritchard would play well in the 10 position. if we are playing 3511 and your asking for Pritchard to play as on of the 8's then I am certain Pritchard would get lost and fans would ask why he had a poor game. he skills set isn't best used from that centre midfield position. I often feel you choose as if it were fantasy football or a computer game. MBenza/Diahkaby/VLP up front? given none are able to receive to hold the ball up from a direct ball and all play running onto a ball in front then our game would collapse. Given that 2 of the players are no where near the match day squad as they are not performing in training, how do you think they are going to do on matchday? Wagner has always demonstrated that he picks on merit and not names or favourites. He sees the players everyday and will far better information to make a judgement than you or I. fantasy football manager sim I think. There are at least three threads descending into Fantasy Football nonsense. We're also going into the slippery slope of scrapping the wage structure to maintain our status (quelle surprise!). I think some would almost start afresh in Jan with just the CBs, Hogg, Mooy and Durm staying. We need to do something to improve our attacking intent, but the scale of change some are suggesting is just bonkers for the January window. Making us more dangerous without losing too much of what we are doing well is not going to be easy!
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Post by drumriggend on Dec 9, 2018 16:02:12 GMT 1
Couldn't understand our last sub tbh. 70 mins..durm for Williams? Lolo looked fooked at that point.. Would have loved to have seen him replaced by Mbenza.. Use his pace..frighten the corner flags with his shooting 😂
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 9, 2018 16:30:42 GMT 1
nonsense. If Town were playing s 4231 then Pritchard would play well in the 10 position. if we are playing 3511 and your asking for Pritchard to play as on of the 8's then I am certain Pritchard would get lost and fans would ask why he had a poor game. he skills set isn't best used from that centre midfield position. I often feel you choose as if it were fantasy football or a computer game. MBenza/Diahkaby/VLP up front? given none are able to receive to hold the ball up from a direct ball and all play running onto a ball in front then our game would collapse. Given that 2 of the players are no where near the match day squad as they are not performing in training, how do you think they are going to do on matchday? Wagner has always demonstrated that he picks on merit and not names or favourites. He sees the players everyday and will far better information to make a judgement than you or I. fantasy football manager sim I think. There are at least three threads descending into Fantasy Football nonsense. We're also going into the slippery slope of scrapping the wage structure to maintain our status (quelle surprise!). I think some would almost start afresh in Jan with just the CBs, Hogg, Mooy and Durm staying. We need to do something to improve our attacking intent, but the scale of change some are suggesting is just bonkers for the January window. Making us more dangerous without losing too much of what we are doing well is not going to be easy! Who said anything about scrapping the wage structure but the stark reality is we will go down if we do not find some quality and some goals from somewhere. If Solanke comes in on loan for example then it's just his wages we have to find so till the end of the season that is the risk we need to take. I would try and bring in another attack minded player whether that's a midfielder or a winger too, honestly January is make or break for us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 16:55:58 GMT 1
Couldn't understand our last sub tbh. 70 mins..durm for Williams? Lolo looked fooked at that point.. Would have loved to have seen him replaced by Mbenza.. Use his pace..frighten the corner flags with his shooting 😂 Wagners subs when chasing the game always seem odd to me. The fact we lose every game when we are behind makes my thinking a bit uncharitable at times.
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2018 17:15:43 GMT 1
Couldn't understand our last sub tbh. 70 mins..durm for Williams? Lolo looked fooked at that point.. Would have loved to have seen him replaced by Mbenza.. Use his pace..frighten the corner flags with his shooting 😂 It was Williams' 1st game back after a long time back, he had to be careful with him. At that point it was 0-0 and we had no one else but Flo to play centre mid.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 9, 2018 17:32:08 GMT 1
There are at least three threads descending into Fantasy Football nonsense. We're also going into the slippery slope of scrapping the wage structure to maintain our status (quelle surprise!). I think some would almost start afresh in Jan with just the CBs, Hogg, Mooy and Durm staying. We need to do something to improve our attacking intent, but the scale of change some are suggesting is just bonkers for the January window. Making us more dangerous without losing too much of what we are doing well is not going to be easy! Who said anything about scrapping the wage structure but the stark reality is we will go down if we do not find some quality and some goals from somewhere. If Solanke comes in on loan for example then it's just his wages we have to find so till the end of the season that is the risk we need to take. I would try and bring in another attack minded player whether that's a midfielder or a winger too, honestly January is make or break for us. There are posts more than implying it re Jermaine Defoe, who I don't actually think would be a good fit for a starting striker in our team. In terms of say Solanke, what I have said wouldn't rule out getting someone like him on loan. To be honest, he's about the most realistic name I've seen mentioned.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 9, 2018 17:35:56 GMT 1
Who said anything about scrapping the wage structure but the stark reality is we will go down if we do not find some quality and some goals from somewhere. If Solanke comes in on loan for example then it's just his wages we have to find so till the end of the season that is the risk we need to take. I would try and bring in another attack minded player whether that's a midfielder or a winger too, honestly January is make or break for us. There are posts more than implying it re Jermaine Defoe, who I don't actually think would be a good fit for a starting striker in our team. In terms of say Solanke, what I have said wouldn't rule out getting someone like him on loan. To be honest, he's about the most realistic name I've seen mentioned. How would a loan for Defoe scrap the wage structure? It's 5 months of 100k a week. He isn't signing on a long term contract. Effectively a £2.5 million outlay to try and score some goals As it happens I think he's past it now but I'd be looking at doing similar with someone who isn't
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 9, 2018 17:41:47 GMT 1
There are posts more than implying it re Jermaine Defoe, who I don't actually think would be a good fit for a starting striker in our team. In terms of say Solanke, what I have said wouldn't rule out getting someone like him on loan. To be honest, he's about the most realistic name I've seen mentioned. How would a loan for Defoe scrap the wage structure? It's 5 months of 100k a week. He isn't signing on a long term contract. Effectively a £2.5 million outlay to try and score some goals As it happens I think he's past it now but I'd be looking at doing similar with someone who isn't That's not how a wage structure works. It's £100k a week, an amount we supposedly won't pay and will have said to existing player's agents and likely in negotiations going forward.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 9, 2018 17:51:26 GMT 1
How would a loan for Defoe scrap the wage structure? It's 5 months of 100k a week. He isn't signing on a long term contract. Effectively a £2.5 million outlay to try and score some goals As it happens I think he's past it now but I'd be looking at doing similar with someone who isn't That's not how a wage structure works. It's £100k a week, an amount we supposedly won't pay and will have said to existing player's agents and likely in negotiations going forward. We have a structure for the whole season id have thought including transfer spend Spending 2.5 million on wages for 5 months is a lot less than spending 20 million and trying to offload them in the summer if we've gone down Loads of teams in this division have players on massively differing wages. I bet Coady is on a quarter of Patricio and Moutinho. Same with Bournemouth, Francis will be on a quarter of what Defoe is. Players just have to accept that there is someone earning more than them and get on with it
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 9, 2018 18:01:39 GMT 1
That's not how a wage structure works. It's £100k a week, an amount we supposedly won't pay and will have said to existing player's agents and likely in negotiations going forward. We have a structure for the whole season id have thought including transfer spend Spending 2.5 million on wages for 5 months is a lot less than spending 20 million and trying to offload them in the summer if we've gone down Loads of teams in this division have players on massively differing wages. I bet Coady is on a quarter of Patricio and Moutinho. Same with Bournemouth, Francis will be on a quarter of what Defoe is. Players just have to accept that there is someone earning more than them and get on with it Totally get the net spend point, it's pretty obvious. The only thing is you have meddling agents and all sorts of clauses in contracts. Pay one this and you get others expecting the same, if not automatically entitled if there is a clause triggered. Either way, I think we both agree he's not likely the answer anyway.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 9, 2018 18:05:51 GMT 1
We have a structure for the whole season id have thought including transfer spend Spending 2.5 million on wages for 5 months is a lot less than spending 20 million and trying to offload them in the summer if we've gone down Loads of teams in this division have players on massively differing wages. I bet Coady is on a quarter of Patricio and Moutinho. Same with Bournemouth, Francis will be on a quarter of what Defoe is. Players just have to accept that there is someone earning more than them and get on with it Totally get the net spend point, it's pretty obvious. The only thing is you have meddling agents and all sorts of clauses in contracts. Pay one this and you get others expecting the same, if not automatically entitled if there is a clause triggered. Either way, I think we both agree he's not likely the answer anyway. There are probably ways around it anyway. Like a £1 million signing on fee and the other £1.5 million paid weekly
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