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Post by champ on Jan 3, 2019 12:18:10 GMT 1
Let me just get over the side splitting name gag you just dropped. 28 years or so, but my answer offers nothing in the way of relief that any bullshit you reply will make matters easier. What it does tell me is that you've seen much worse in that 28 years for your current reaction to be a tad OTT. You've seen League 2 football and turgid times under the stewardship of people like Ternent, Wadsworth and Powell, yet you react as if this is the absolute pits. Granted, it is not easy to see us struggle week in, week out, but during the good runs why don't you post constantly saying how good we've got it, and praising the squad/management. It just always seems that people become vocal on here when it's going awry, which merely adds to the feeling of antagonism. What needs to change, champ? Would you get rid of Wagner and refresh it again? Chances are we'd keep the next appointment in-house, potentially Whitehead or Hughes. There's not a single manager currently out of work that i think i'd want at the helm, however much i feel a little frustrated with Wagner currently, as i am able to look back at better times and hope we can get there. If we go down, so be it, no point bleating about it. We're going down to a level we know well, with new expectancy levels due to Premier League money and 2 seasons in a tougher division. My gripe is we have proved everyone right and I see no respite from all the critics who seem to just talk about us with pity as if we're suffering from some incurable illness We have had a number of managers over the years that have also done well not including the names you mentioned and achieved the ultimate goal of promotion, but then were told they no longer have the skills to take us any further. That's the harshness of football. I would argue that the league this year is weaker than last season but something has gone woefully wrong but nobody seems to mind. If we get relegated we will not come back up, and if we do get promoted is this what we have to look forward to? I don't have the magic answer and who do i think should be our new manager, I've no idea, but that being said I had no idea who David Wagner was before his appointment. We employ people who's sole focus is to scout these new managers and players out. My personal opinion is he has to go. It won't make me happy and I won't stick the knife in, but I just think it's the right thing to do. I hope he is the man to change our fortunes and you can say I told you so. We will see... |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 3, 2019 12:24:44 GMT 1
Every intention of getting a win!!! I think your cheese has slipped off its cracker. Go and review the substitutions we have made and the starting line ups over the last 8 games we have played and come back to me Why don't you go and manage if it's so simple then? We're in a position that we've not been in for 2 generations, trying to compete in a relatively alien environment & one that, to be fair, has no semblance of operating as any normal business & P&L would. I think we've had a shocking last few games, but it might also surprise people like yourself that all those defeats have been marginal, even the OT one & Soton ones. The OT not for a lack of having a go and Soton because their 3rd goal was a gift... So, yes, I do think these lads walk out hoping that this is the game where it all starts to come right for them. If they walk out with any different mindset then I'd be rightly pissed off... dont play in 'hope', play in action and belief.. maybe not letting two overweight strikers play exactly where they want to for most of the game might have helped.. we are not losing games, we are giving them away.. its not losing that hurts the most, its how we manage the games to make it even more likely that we will definitely not win that hurts..Letting teams with as little confidence and quality as ourselves do as they wish is not helping.. |
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Post by yorkshiretripod on Jan 3, 2019 12:39:13 GMT 1
What it does tell me is that you've seen much worse in that 28 years for your current reaction to be a tad OTT. You've seen League 2 football and turgid times under the stewardship of people like Ternent, Wadsworth and Powell, yet you react as if this is the absolute pits. Granted, it is not easy to see us struggle week in, week out, but during the good runs why don't you post constantly saying how good we've got it, and praising the squad/management. It just always seems that people become vocal on here when it's going awry, which merely adds to the feeling of antagonism. What needs to change, champ? Would you get rid of Wagner and refresh it again? Chances are we'd keep the next appointment in-house, potentially Whitehead or Hughes. There's not a single manager currently out of work that i think i'd want at the helm, however much i feel a little frustrated with Wagner currently, as i am able to look back at better times and hope we can get there. If we go down, so be it, no point bleating about it. We're going down to a level we know well, with new expectancy levels due to Premier League money and 2 seasons in a tougher division. My gripe is we have proved everyone right and I see no respite from all the critics who seem to just talk about us with pity as if we're suffering from some incurable illness We have had a number of managers over the years that have also done well not including the names you mentioned and achieved the ultimate goal of promotion, but then were told they no longer have the skills to take us any further. That's the harshness of football. I would argue that the league this year is weaker than last season but something has gone woefully wrong but nobody seems to mind. If we get relegated we will not come back up, and if we do get promoted is this what we have to look forward to? I don't have the magic answer and who do i think should be our new manager, I've no idea, but that being said I had no idea who David Wagner was before his appointment. We employ people who's sole focus is to scout these new managers and players out. My personal opinion is he has to go. It won't make me happy and I won't stick the knife in, but I just think it's the right thing to do. I hope he is the man to change our fortunes and you can say I told you so. We will see... Good points, well made. I don't do told you so's, as i'm not that way inclined. It's highly likely he has taken us as far as we can go, but maybe this is as far as we can go, as a club, regardless of who the gaffer is. It's a sobering thought, but to have seen the club attempt the top tier for a short while has been interesting, if not always totally entertaining. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 13:41:48 GMT 1
So Hoyle's been here for 15 years has he? Shut up. Nearly 11 years, but I'm sure people can be forgiven for feeling like its been longer when you consider the change in the club between then and now. He took over in November 2008 after he sacked Stan Ternent. Its 10 years. |
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Post by de1terrier on Jan 3, 2019 14:19:31 GMT 1
I am afraid you are wrong Mack Dean Hoyle joined huddersfield as a director in April 2008, starting his takeover of the club and wrenching it from the tight fisted grip of Ken Davy to finally and completely oust the evil old scoundrel as majority shareholder on 3 June 2009. as stated Dean Hoyle has been here NEARLY 11 years
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Post by hoppo on Jan 3, 2019 14:25:36 GMT 1
Well thats that then......no good saying..oh but look where we were 10 years ago...where we are matters now and Im sorry to say this is the possibly been the worse season for me personally since 2001....yes we are in the premier league but thats where we are and thats the players and coaches we need..instead we stuck with Wagner at the start of the campaign when we all realized we were utter shocking...and before that in the summer we bought donkeys instead of the right players that could keep us up......Im afraid the buck stops with Dean Hoyle....we simply dont have the resources though to be in the premier league having said that....personally I think at best next year we will be mid table championship....whats worse is that Leeds are thriving....but they will have a shock too once they hit the premier league
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 3, 2019 17:59:33 GMT 1
This pretty much sums up my feelings really. I had always hoped as a kid we would make it to the prem but now we are here I'm an adult with kids and not with the view of football is everything anymore. If people want to have a moan then why not. It's just as annoying seeing people being massively positive and optimistic about things, parading it like it means they are a better fan than other people and like they are going to get a medal from Dean to honour their support on datm. Just because I remain blindly optimistic I'm thinking I'm a better fan am I? FFS... That's the problem with internet forums, people twist an opinion until it looks the right sort of shape for them to disagree with, or suggest the poster is meaning something totally different. I'm one of the most hypocritical fans truth be told. Hardly go nowadays because of various time constraints and other factors, but Town are still a massive part of my 'not really important stuff in life' life. I've supported the club since the mid 70's, used to go far more as a kid... I just struggle with people nit picking all the time, gutted about last night still, but if we go down it's something many have experienced before, but the most recent experience of relegation always seems the worst for everyone. The internet just exacerbates everything like this. Reality is that relegation from the PL (if it happens) is far from the end of the world, but I still don't think the players and mgmt aren't trying to rectify things and sort it out & will battle onto until the bitter end (or a miraculous achievement). As for the Q about Wadsworth & co., that was dire but we were also competing at a different level. That's the crux of the issue for me, that there are a few who miss the context that performing poorly in the PL is totally different to performing poorly in L1. If it's success that the supporters want to experience then you have to accept that at a club like Town, any success will have to be smattered with a few failures. It simply has to be. We have to be relegated to be able to experience the success of a promotion. Our opportunity to compete in the PL & be truly successful is so limited nowadays mainly due to the money & it would grate on me if we really did get daft and start spaffing daft money to try and stay afloat in a league that's quite frankly, over-hyped & has snake oil salesmen at the helm... We're a club that's punching well above our weight just now. People like me get frustrated by the negative nit picking, the negative posters call the blind optimists like me a happy clapper & vice versa. Couldn't be further from the truth on both counts. I expect both camps are feeling pretty miserable about Town just now, it's just that we take a different view of how we try to pull ourselves out of the abyss... Just like to point out your first 2 points - 1.Just because I remain blindly optimistic I'm thinking I'm a better fan am I? FFS... 2.That's the problem with internet forums, people twist an opinion until it looks the right sort of shape for them to disagree with, or suggest the poster is meaning something totally different. In the last few weeks youve told me... and to quote you... Your on a fucking downward agenda. Your a fucking bore. If we get to a FA Cup final and escape relegation and we might not see you posting on here for a while. Your a WUM you're a boring fucker. Can't imagine you're a Town fan. If that's not thinking and acting like your a better town fan than me because your being more optimistic than me then I don't know what is. And I've not twisted anything you've said to suit an arguement. Everyone's allowed an opinion on here. Some are negative, some are positive. We may not agree and we are allowed to have disagreements, that's fine, just don't be a dick about it. Im on this forum because I'm a town fan, just because I'm not happy about things at the moment doesn't mean I support them any less than anyone else. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 3, 2019 19:18:05 GMT 1
So do those posts constitute that I'm a better fan, give it a rest. I just think you're predominantly negative and pick out the negatives, sometimes in intricately fine detail whilst ignoring context...
You often seem to suggest people are stating it's all a conspiracy theory with the Refs etc. That's the just how pissed off football fans that I know tend to think when we're on the type of run we are. Call it clutching at straws etc. but football is sometimes an escape for people. Certainly is for me...
Clearly we'll never agree as long as we've got holes in our collective arses so I'll just do my best to ignore your negativity from now on... If that's me being a dick then so be it...
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