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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 19, 2019 11:23:57 GMT 1
There are 16 games to play with 48 possible points available. If we believe we will be relegated we almost certainly will. An undeniably fantastic era in the history of HTFC has just ended but there's no reason at all why an equally fantastic one is not about to begin. It's time for every Town fan to have true belief that we can pull off another of the great achievements that this club is capable of. That begins tomorrow. For those that think I'm living in the land of fairies I'd advise having a read of this. www.90min.com/posts/6054238-7-of-the-greatest-escapes-from-almost-certain-premier-league-relegation
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Post by Phil Starbuck - Legend! on Jan 19, 2019 11:41:05 GMT 1
Really good read and shows it is still possible for us to survive, but most of those tales include sides with goalscorers, or players to make a moment of difference. I think that’s what we lack. But maybe the new guy can find that in the squad, commit more men forward when we attack and somehow turn our luck!
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 19, 2019 11:51:02 GMT 1
At our current rate of points collection we would need 76 games to reach 38 points
I don't think miracle will be the correct word if we manage to stay up from this position
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Post by arroloui on Jan 19, 2019 11:57:13 GMT 1
At our current rate of points collection we would need 76 games to reach 38 points I don't think miracle will be the correct word if we manage to stay up from this position hahaha 76 games hahaha.
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Post by vin on Jan 19, 2019 12:11:49 GMT 1
At our current rate of points collection we would need 76 games to reach 38 points I don't think miracle will be the correct word if we manage to stay up from this position We can always rely on you to brighten a grey day with your little rays of sunshine
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jan 19, 2019 12:18:30 GMT 1
I've seen town miss the first 3 penalties of a penalty shootout and still get promoted. Anything can happen.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 19, 2019 12:24:33 GMT 1
Only Leicester then in reasonably recent history (with a team that actually looked decent on paper but didnt want to play for the manager any more) which possibly reflects the more polarised pattern of points gaining in the prem these days. Article reinforces what a mountain it is for us.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 19, 2019 12:28:35 GMT 1
Only Leicester then in reasonably recent history (with a team that actually looked decent on paper but didnt want to play for the manager any more) which possibly reflects the more polarised pattern of points gaining in the prem these days. Article reinforces what a mountain it is for us. As far as I'm aware every mountain on the planet has been climbed at some point.
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Post by King Curtis on Jan 19, 2019 12:31:49 GMT 1
Just forget about it. We are down.
It's the hope that kills you as they say.
You'll thank me later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 12:35:55 GMT 1
At our current rate of points collection we would need 76 games to reach 38 points I don't think miracle will be the correct word if we manage to stay up from this position What a pointless post. We all know we’ll be relegated on current form. The OP is suggesting a massive turn around. Did you have a very unhappy childhood? If you ever just want to talk to someone pm me. I’m a good listener.
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Post by irverino on Jan 19, 2019 12:49:01 GMT 1
Big Sam took 27 points from last 18 games at Sunderland only 3 years ago to keep them up, Moyes took them down with 24 from 38 played. Certain managers seem to get the best out of players when the shit hits the fan where others fail to get any response. If Town somehow managed to stay up, it would be a miracle on the scale of Leicester winning the PL, one man we all know who will not give up till the last nail..DEAN HOYLE!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 12:49:40 GMT 1
8 or 9 wins might do it. Almost Europa league qualifying form not impossible. During this run of 8/9 defeats we have looked close in some games so who knows.
I remember a big win v Oxford in January a few years back, in fact we were cruising at half time, might have been the start of the great escape. I particularly enjoyed that game or the significance of it at least.
Edit: the great escape was well underway by then
5-1 v Oxford on Jan 10th 1998 Dave Phillips, Wayne Allison and of course Marcus Stewart were on target that day
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 19, 2019 12:51:54 GMT 1
I’m doing a run of our fixtures excluding city to see what points we have to pick up to give us any chance of survival as slim as it is.
Everton (H) Win Chelsea (A) lose Arsenal (H) Draw at best Newcastle (A) Win Wolves (H) Win Brighton (A) Win Bournemouth (H) Win West Ham (A) Win Crystal Palace (A) Win Leicester (H) Win Tottenham (A) lose Watford (H) Win Liverpool (A) lose Man Utd (H) lose Southampton (A) Win
Points total = 42 points, this is what my heart tells me, my head says very different results
So this is what’s needed to give us any chance of survival in my eyes, anything against the top 4/5 is a bonus really.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 19, 2019 12:58:23 GMT 1
Only Leicester then in reasonably recent history (with a team that actually looked decent on paper but didnt want to play for the manager any more) which possibly reflects the more polarised pattern of points gaining in the prem these days. Article reinforces what a mountain it is for us. As far as I'm aware every mountain on the planet has been climbed at some point. There's more than you'd think: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest_unclimbed_mountainIf Town's mountain is climbed, then it would surely represent the most miraculous achievement in every field of human endeavour. Although I always did say if we can keep the points margin to 8 by mid-February, then our chances will no longer be hopeless. Wasn't there a side in the early 80s that won all 7 of their remaining games to avoid relegation to division 4 one time? (Lincoln, Wrexham?). Tried googling it, but couldnt find owt.
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Post by champ on Jan 19, 2019 13:34:38 GMT 1
If our season starts tomorrow then were starting off on a loss. Let's start it next week instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 13:41:07 GMT 1
At our current rate of points collection we would need 76 games to reach 38 points I don't think miracle will be the correct word if we manage to stay up from this position Have you ever anything positive ever to say .You are a miserable sod .Glad I don't live in your world .
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 19, 2019 13:46:37 GMT 1
If our season starts tomorrow then were starting off on a loss. Let's start it next week instead. I'm not going along tomorrow expecting a loss though.
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 19, 2019 13:49:12 GMT 1
It shows what can be done. For all we know the new man has identified targets willing to come in and deals are done ready to be announced. As much as it's unlikely it's not impossible, we can't give up hope . UTT
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Post by impact on Jan 19, 2019 13:49:37 GMT 1
I’m doing a run of our fixtures excluding city to see what points we have to pick up to give us any chance of survival as slim as it is. Everton (H) Win Chelsea (A) lose Arsenal (H) Draw at best Newcastle (A) Win Wolves (H) Win Brighton (A) Win Bournemouth (H) Win West Ham (A) Win Crystal Palace (A) Win Leicester (H) Win Tottenham (A) lose Watford (H) Win Liverpool (A) lose Man Utd (H) lose Southampton (A) Win Points total = 42 points, this is what my heart tells me, my head says very different results So this is what’s needed to give us any chance of survival in my eyes, anything against the top 4/5 is a bonus really. Having won 2 games all season you think we have a chance of winning 7 on a row?! I'll have whatever you're on. Though I think you've overshot the survival target by at least 8 points.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 19, 2019 14:52:54 GMT 1
At our current rate of points collection we would need 76 games to reach 38 points I don't think miracle will be the correct word if we manage to stay up from this position Gee mate, I wouldn’t want you on any team of mine with an attitude like that. We might very well go down, but you are never down until it’s mathematical. Shit attitude.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 19, 2019 14:55:57 GMT 1
At our current rate of points collection we would need 76 games to reach 38 points I don't think miracle will be the correct word if we manage to stay up from this position Gee mate, I wouldn’t want you on any team of mine with an attitude like that. We might very well go down, but you are never down until it’s mathematical. Shit attitude. See the post above yours. It's about being realistic And everyone now calling me negative in this thread are the same ones saying Wagner was doing an outstanding job and no one we bring in will do better. Yet all of a sudden they're calling me negative for saying we can't turn it around. HYPOCREEEETS
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 19, 2019 15:01:36 GMT 1
Gee mate, I wouldn’t want you on any team of mine with an attitude like that. We might very well go down, but you are never down until it’s mathematical. Shit attitude. See the post above yours. It's about being realistic And everyone now calling me negative in this thread are the same ones saying Wagner was doing an outstanding job and no one we bring in will do better. Yet all of a sudden they're calling me negative for saying we can't turn it around. HYPOCREEEETS If you're going to be realistic you should give up your seat to someone who will support us till the fat lady sings...
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 19, 2019 15:02:35 GMT 1
Gee mate, I wouldn’t want you on any team of mine with an attitude like that. We might very well go down, but you are never down until it’s mathematical. Shit attitude. See the post above yours. It's about being realistic And everyone now calling me negative in this thread are the same ones saying Wagner was doing an outstanding job and no one we bring in will do better. Yet all of a sudden they're calling me negative for saying we can't turn it around. HYPOCREEEETS I was calling out performances too, so don’t go try pulling that shit on me. I didn’t call your attitude negative, I called your attitude out for giving up. People who are realistic have never achieved greatness. People who are realistic don’t find ways to solutions. People who dream and never give up achieve greatness.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 19, 2019 15:04:34 GMT 1
See the post above yours. It's about being realistic And everyone now calling me negative in this thread are the same ones saying Wagner was doing an outstanding job and no one we bring in will do better. Yet all of a sudden they're calling me negative for saying we can't turn it around. HYPOCREEEETS If you're going to be realistic you should give up your seat to someone who will support us till the fat lady sings... I bet the majority of the ground accept relegation is a formality because they've watched us all season and aren't blind. Doesn't mean they won't still support the players for the remaining games We've scored 13 goals this season. Are you saying that was Wagner's fault and a new manager will change it? Or are the players simply not good enough?
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Post by space hardware on Jan 19, 2019 15:12:30 GMT 1
I’m doing a run of our fixtures excluding city to see what points we have to pick up to give us any chance of survival as slim as it is. Everton (H) Win draw Chelsea (A) lose Arsenal (H) Draw at best lose Newcastle (A) Win draw Wolves (H) Win draw Brighton (A) Win lose Bournemouth (H) Win West Ham (A) Win lose Crystal Palace (A) Win draw, and only if Duane Dibbley is out injured Leicester (H) Win lose Tottenham (A) lose Watford (H) Win Liverpool (A) lose Man Utd (H) lose Southampton (A) Win draw Points total = 42 points, this is what my heart tells me, my head says very different results So this is what’s needed to give us any chance of survival in my eyes, anything against the top 4/5 is a bonus really. More realistic, I would have thought Season finishes with us on 22 points.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 15:19:14 GMT 1
I’m doing a run of our fixtures excluding city to see what points we have to pick up to give us any chance of survival as slim as it is. Everton (H) Win draw Chelsea (A) lose Arsenal (H) Draw at best lose Newcastle (A) Win draw Wolves (H) Win draw Brighton (A) Win lose Bournemouth (H) Win West Ham (A) Win lose Crystal Palace (A) Win draw, and only if Duane Dibbley is out injured Leicester (H) Win lose Tottenham (A) lose Watford (H) Win Liverpool (A) lose Man Utd (H) lose Southampton (A) Win draw Points total = 42 points, this is what my heart tells me, my head says very different results So this is what’s needed to give us any chance of survival in my eyes, anything against the top 4/5 is a bonus really. More realistic, I would have thought Season finishes with us on 22 points. Id go with that, its realistic and in keeping with the degree of difficulty of the opponents.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 19, 2019 15:24:50 GMT 1
If you're going to be realistic you should give up your seat to someone who will support us till the fat lady sings... I bet the majority of the ground accept relegation is a formality because they've watched us all season and aren't blind. Doesn't mean they won't still support the players for the remaining games We've scored 13 goals this season. Are you saying that was Wagner's fault and a new manager will change it? Or are the players simply not good enough? There you go yet again, assuming that the majority of supporters share your clinical view of our football club... People like you love being proved right when the balance of evidence points to the bleeding obvious. Get behind the team tomorrow or don't bother turning up...
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 19, 2019 15:27:35 GMT 1
I bet the majority of the ground accept relegation is a formality because they've watched us all season and aren't blind. Doesn't mean they won't still support the players for the remaining games We've scored 13 goals this season. Are you saying that was Wagner's fault and a new manager will change it? Or are the players simply not good enough? There you go yet again, assuming that the majority of supporters share your clinical view of our football club... People like you love being proved right when the balance of evidence points to the bleeding obvious. Get behind the team tomorrow or don't bother turning up... I'm not exaggerating but I haven't spoke to a single town fan recently who thinks we can stay up. We just lost 9 games in a row. But yeah of course we're going to pick up 24 points from the next 16 games And why do you think having the brain cells to see we are going down means I won't still get behind the team?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 15:40:07 GMT 1
There you go yet again, assuming that the majority of supporters share your clinical view of our football club... People like you love being proved right when the balance of evidence points to the bleeding obvious. Get behind the team tomorrow or don't bother turning up... I'm not exaggerating but I haven't spoke to a single town fan recently who thinks we can stay up. We just lost 9 games in a row. But yeah of course we're going to pick up 24 points from the next 16 games And why do you think having the brain cells to see we are going down means I won't still get behind the team? Well what do you expect when it looks like you could be "Billy no mates".😉
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 19, 2019 15:46:11 GMT 1
I'm not exaggerating but I haven't spoke to a single town fan recently who thinks we can stay up. We just lost 9 games in a row. But yeah of course we're going to pick up 24 points from the next 16 games And why do you think having the brain cells to see we are going down means I won't still get behind the team? Well what do you expect when it looks like you could be "Billy no mates".😉 Where did I mention mates Work with town fans. Play sports with town fans. There's plenty of them and not one has said they think we can stay up and that's because they're not daft. It's easy to sit there and pretend you're a super fan because you come on here acting all positive spouting nonsense that you don't believe but if that's what people want to do crack on And as for my view not being representative of the majority, this suggests otherwise downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/111163/who-drop
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