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Post by greyarea on Jan 31, 2019 4:18:45 GMT 1
With Jan Siewert coming in, things have changed a little. It looks like we will be moving to a 433 as our standard formation with flexibility to mix it up with other formations. At least that's what online info seems to indicate. so here goes, I'll start with players I think will be leaving if we go down and take it from there.
Leaving:
Lossl? - depending on how settled he is and if he wants to play top tier football.
Kongolo - He deserves to be playing top tier football, dutch international, Good sales money and Town would not hold him back
Zanka - Would want top level football, Danish interational footballer.
Hadergjonaj - Already talk of Lazio interested in the summer. He'd want to go I think.
Durm? - We only have him for this year with a 1 year mutual option. Would he want a year in the championship?
Mooy - He's 28, he's going to want to play at the highest level and many mid-table prem clubs would pay good money.
Sobhi - I understand a loan-buy deal is already in place at the end of the season.
Mbenza - Town isn't going to pay the extra £11M to sign him are they? Not a chance.
Pritchard - would want to continue in the prem and has a high enough reputation to get a move. Decent enough money.
Williams? - Is out of contract this year, would we give him another deal, would he want one?
Puncheon? - playing 6 months to get a contract somewhere, I'm not sure I see Town taking him.
Payne - Will be moved on.
RVLP? - No idea if it was a personal problem with Wanger or the club. We'll not know until the summer
Depoitre - Contract runs out this season, we have a 1 year option. I can see him leaving after his performances this season.
So what does that leave Town? Well a fairly low wage bill and a decent pot of transfer cash. But also a reasonable structure of a young, promising team. Remember Siewerts expertise is with developing young players. Working to a 433
Lossl?
Hamer
Coleman
Schofield
Smith------------------Stankovic ----------------Schindler------------Lowe
Durm?-------------------------------------------------------------------Brown
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---------Sabiri ----------------------------------Daly (v.promising)
Kachunga--------------------Mounie---------------------Diakhaby
Quaner-----------------------Grant----------------------RVLP?
O'Brian-----------------------Pyke
For sure the squad is light in places but the money and the wage space would be there to bring in players. Player recruitment would be vital, Siewert would have a good knowledge of young and lower league German players which has been good for us under Wagner.
Finally we really do have some talent in the academy development groups.
In the EDT: Romoney Crichlow-Noble and Rarmani Edmonds-Green both look to be developing centrebacks (not ready yet) ready for loans out next season. Matty Daly is that promising I'd include him in the 1st team squad from the beginning. Lewis O'Brian has been very good at Bradford so would be good for a squad place.
U19's: Ben Jackson, Aaron Rowe and Scott High.
U17's: Kian Harratt. Lad has 24 goals this season and is 16yo.
None of this will matter though after we beat Chelsea and Arsenal to start our miraculous rise up the table to survive for a 3rd season in the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 5:38:58 GMT 1
Horrible...
Hamer is dreadful
Durm is no better than what we have based on performance
Stankovic failed at ELF level
Williams can go for me
Sabri has showed nothing in 2 years
Bacuna can go for me
Quaner is appalling
VLP won't play for us again
Diakhaby where do i start..
------------Coleman------------
Smith---Schindler---Kongolo---Lowe
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Grant --- Izzy --- Palmer---New LW
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Bench:
Youth Keeper
New CB
NEW STRIKER
LB signed from spurs
Pritchard
Payne
O Brien
Attacking intent
Pace
Trickery
Proven Championship quality
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Post by golcarexile on Jan 31, 2019 5:46:33 GMT 1
RVLP - personal problem with wanger. I think you're confusing him with Danny Williams 😂😂😂
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 31, 2019 8:42:55 GMT 1
Williams won't be here next season. He's hardly played. Always injured.
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 31, 2019 8:49:15 GMT 1
Why are we still going on about Izzy Brown and Palmer? We should be aiming for better than these with all the money we’ll have!
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Post by alexdire on Jan 31, 2019 9:32:27 GMT 1
Lossl? - I think he might go back to Germany
Kongolo - Definetly premier league quality and will be snapped up. I could see Everton comming in for him. £12m
Zanka - Thinks he's better than he is. He'll be in the bundesliga next season. Although we might have to pay him off.
Hadergjonaj - if somebody is ineterested sell.
Durm? - I would like the option to be taken up but it depends on his wages.
Mooy - Unfortunately he'll be gone. But the £15m will allow rebuilding
Sobhi - Cut our loses.
Mbenza - Hoping it is just a loan and we don't have to shell out the £13m. Although he might do well in the championship and gain some confidence.
Pritchard - He'll be going but no more than £5m
Williams? - If fit I'd like to give him a new deal. He will help stabilise the midfield next season.
Puncheon? - Unsure on this as to whether we offer him one year or not. It would be good to have another senior pro alongside Williams
Payne - He'll be gone, He was bought for a champinship relegation battle.
RVLP? - Get rid.
Depoitre - Let him go with thanks for the goal at Chelsea.
Mounié - Looking at him he wants out, although a season in the championship will do him good and help get his confidence back. Whenever we sell him we will be taking a loss
Lowe - Once we drop out of the premier league he'll be off back to Germany.
Bacuna - Keep
Schindler - He might stop although he looks knackered and the prospect of a 50+ game season might not appeal to him.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 31, 2019 9:34:20 GMT 1
I've said before the squad will be decimated if we go down, players will engineer moves away as they do not want to lose money.
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Post by huddshroom on Jan 31, 2019 9:46:02 GMT 1
Horrible... Hamer is dreadful Durm is no better than what we have based on performance Stankovic failed at ELF level Williams can go for me Sabri has showed nothing in 2 years Bacuna can go for me Quaner is appalling VLP won't play for us again Diakhaby where do i start.. ------------Coleman------------ Smith---Schindler---Kongolo---Lowe ------------Hogg--------------- Grant --- Izzy --- Palmer---New LW ------------Scott Hogan---------------- Bench: Youth Keeper New CB NEW STRIKER LB signed from spurs Pritchard Payne O Brien Attacking intent Pace Trickery Proven Championship quality Stankovic is 6'3ft, if he cant cut it at ELF level he has no chance |
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 31, 2019 9:50:46 GMT 1
I've said before the squad will be decimated if we go down, players will engineer moves away as they do not want to lose money. I think you're being very generous there.. I don't see a "firesale" or mass departures, lets face it most of them have hardly done enough to attract clubs bigger than Championship level with the exception of Hogg, Mooy & Kongolo. Kongolo has been nowhere near as good as last season but he is the one I think will go first. |
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Post by alexdire on Jan 31, 2019 10:03:55 GMT 1
I've said before the squad will be decimated if we go down, players will engineer moves away as they do not want to lose money. I think you're being very generous there.. I don't see a "firesale" or mass departures, lets face it most of them have hardly done enough to attract clubs bigger than Championship level with the exception of Hogg, Mooy & Kongolo. Kongolo has been nowhere near as good as last season but he is the one I think will go first. Billing will go first. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jan 31, 2019 10:05:18 GMT 1
I've said before the squad will be decimated if we go down, players will engineer moves away as they do not want to lose money. Loads of relgated teams fear this but how many teams are actually decimated when they've gone down? Genuine question. I know there's always a couple go I don't remember seeing teams losing the numbers that some are suggesting. I would think mainly for the fact the players are the ones that contributed to the team getting relegated in the first place would detract many suitors  I have a sneaky feeling Mooy would stay another year or at least until January 2020 and CB will probably be the position that needs looking at the most. |
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Post by impact on Jan 31, 2019 10:12:26 GMT 1
The main failing this year is the squad we'll have left next season, and the spirit. It's all been torn apart.
It seems a lot think we will be challenging towards the top, and I simply don't see it.
Hamer
Smith ? Schindler Lowe
Kachunga ? Hogg Pritchard ?
Grant
So we need:
1x keeper
1 x LB
3 x CB
1 x controlling centre mid
2 x other centre mids
1 x right winger
2 x left winger
1 x striker
This assumes the 3 who left on loan won't be coming back, and why would they? We let them know with fuck all back up so we clearly don't want them.
Finding the players we need will not be easy. We won't just find another Mooy who wants to play championship, that was a one-off. The squad will be completely different, and there's no way we sign all those players without at least some duds.
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Post by iangreaves on Jan 31, 2019 10:23:29 GMT 1
Williams won't be here next season. He's hardly played. Always injured. If we can get Williams fit, he would be good for us in the Championship. He had just broken into the team and was playing well - particularly the cup game against Man Utd - when he got injured. |
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Post by Terry Jacko on Jan 31, 2019 10:27:59 GMT 1
Williams makes Vaughan look ever present, I wouldn't go anywhere near trying to sign him up again. Shame as you say he is a decent player.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 31, 2019 10:28:49 GMT 1
I've said before the squad will be decimated if we go down, players will engineer moves away as they do not want to lose money. Loads of relgated teams fear this but how many teams are actually decimated when they've gone down? Genuine question. I know there's always a couple go I don't remember seeing teams losing the numbers that some are suggesting. I would think mainly for the fact the players are the ones that contributed to the team getting relegated in the first place would detract many suitors I have a sneaky feeling Mooy would stay another year or at least until January 2020 and CB will probably be the position that needs looking at the most. I just don't think many players will appreciate the drop in income (even though they have signed contracts that include a drop in income should we be relegated). Some players need offloading as well. Simply not good enough. It could potentially leave us with a very small squad. For a start I'd offload Zanka (as mobile as a static brick) Lossl (unless he really wants to stay) Hadyergonads (for big money apparently) Quaner (not pulling up any trees at Ipswich while on loan) Van La Parra (Middlesboros bench warmer) Mounie (he'll probably go to another Premier League side) DePoitre (back to Belgium?) |
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 31, 2019 10:32:30 GMT 1
Loads of relgated teams fear this but how many teams are actually decimated when they've gone down? Genuine question. I know there's always a couple go I don't remember seeing teams losing the numbers that some are suggesting. I would think mainly for the fact the players are the ones that contributed to the team getting relegated in the first place would detract many suitors I have a sneaky feeling Mooy would stay another year or at least until January 2020 and CB will probably be the position that needs looking at the most. I just don't think many players will appreciate the drop in income (even though they have signed contracts that include a drop in income should we be relegated). Some players need offloading as well. Simply not good enough. It could potentially leave us with a very small squad. For a start I'd offload Zanka (as mobile as a static brick) Lossl (unless he really wants to stay) Hadyergonads (for big money apparently) Quaner (not pulling up any trees at Ipswich while on loan) Van La Parra (Middlesboros bench warmer) Mounie (he'll probably go to another Premier League side) DePoitre (back to Belgium?) What premiership team is going to want Mounié. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 10:39:35 GMT 1
I just don't think many players will appreciate the drop in income (even though they have signed contracts that include a drop in income should we be relegated). Some players need offloading as well. Simply not good enough. It could potentially leave us with a very small squad. For a start I'd offload Zanka (as mobile as a static brick) Lossl (unless he really wants to stay) Hadyergonads (for big money apparently) Quaner (not pulling up any trees at Ipswich while on loan) Van La Parra (Middlesboros bench warmer) Mounie (he'll probably go to another Premier League side) DePoitre (back to Belgium?) What premiership team is going to want Mounié. Remind me what he does and what his position is . |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 31, 2019 10:51:20 GMT 1
If there's one thing we know from last 2 seasons it's we need to get the strike force right. Mounie is a tricky one. Is he a player that is just not good enough at top level but will turn into a decent striker a step below? Or do we offload at a considerable loss in the summer. No one will pay much for him on this seasons stats so we would have to take a hit but we can't have him as a passenger next season if he can't deliver.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 11:12:27 GMT 1
If things are so dire that were looking at bringing some under 17s in then id say we need new ownership.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 11:17:47 GMT 1
If things are so dire that were looking at bringing some under 17s in then id say we need new ownership. Don't we need under 17s in our under 17 academy team then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 11:23:34 GMT 1
If things are so dire that were looking at bringing some under 17s in then id say we need new ownership. Don't we need under 17s in our under 17 academy team then? yes obviously, but people are talking about bringing them into the starting line up for next seasons championship campaign. Not necessarily a bad thing, but if the forecast is that thats the only option then id say the ship is a sail without captain. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 11:28:56 GMT 1
Don't we need under 17s in our under 17 academy team then? yes obviously, but people are talking about bringing them into the starting line up for next seasons championship campaign. Not necessarily a bad thing, but if the forecast is that thats the only option then id say the ship is a sail without captain. And if that is the only option you'll be right. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 31, 2019 11:38:38 GMT 1
What premiership team is going to want Mounié. Remind me what he does and what his position is . You'd think if he wants away he'd be trying extra hard to make himself known to other clubs as a decent bet by putting in noteworthy performances. With all prem matches recorded at some level it's a better shop window than if he was in some other leagues. He should be making the most of it. |
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Post by Hank Hill on Jan 31, 2019 11:43:26 GMT 1
If there's one thing we know from last 2 seasons it's we need to get the strike force right. Mounie is a tricky one. Is he a player that is just not good enough at top level but will turn into a decent striker a step below? Or do we offload at a considerable loss in the summer. No one will pay much for him on this seasons stats so we would have to take a hit but we can't have him as a passenger next season if he can't deliver. I think Grant will be good at Championship level but I think the main question will be, if Mounie can't score against Everton, can he score against Rotherham and Luton? |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 31, 2019 12:26:54 GMT 1
I'm sure Depoitre will be off at the end of the season so effectively Grant can be seen as his replacement so it still leaves the issue of keeping or letting go of Mounie. Have to say if it wouldnt be too financially damaging it would be good to let him go as well and have a totally new look to the strike force. If we really look to turn things round even get 2 more strikers in and have more options for rotation even if we go 2 up front. More games in championship, less recovery time between games at times. Two strikers might not be enough if we are looking to play a more attacking style so either Mounie left in and someone else come in or Mounie out and 2 more in alongside Grant in squad.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 31, 2019 12:36:31 GMT 1
Horrible... Hamer is dreadful Durm is no better than what we have based on performance Stankovic failed at ELF level Williams can go for me Sabri has showed nothing in 2 years Bacuna can go for me Quaner is appalling VLP won't play for us again Diakhaby where do i start.. ------------Coleman------------ Smith---Schindler---Kongolo---Lowe ------------Hogg--------------- Grant --- Izzy --- Palmer---New LW ------------Scott Hogan---------------- Bench: Youth Keeper New CB NEW STRIKER LB signed from spurs Pritchard Payne O Brien Attacking intent Pace Trickery Proven Championship quality Hogan has a worse scoring record in the championship than Mounie has in the premier league. 7 in 57 appearances, what makes you think he'll find his scoring boots here? |
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 31, 2019 12:46:06 GMT 1
Well done for creating a positive post and looking on the bright side of things 👍🏼
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 31, 2019 12:51:47 GMT 1
Lossl? - I think he might go back to Germany Kongolo - Definetly premier league quality and will be snapped up. I could see Everton comming in for him. £12m Zanka - Thinks he's better than he is. He'll be in the bundesliga next season. Although we might have to pay him off. Hadergjonaj - if somebody is ineterested sell. Durm? - I would like the option to be taken up but it depends on his wages. Mooy - Unfortunately he'll be gone. But the £15m will allow rebuilding Sobhi - Cut our loses. Mbenza - Hoping it is just a loan and we don't have to shell out the £13m. Although he might do well in the championship and gain some confidence. Pritchard - He'll be going but no more than £5m Williams? - If fit I'd like to give him a new deal. He will help stabilise the midfield next season. Puncheon? - Unsure on this as to whether we offer him one year or not. It would be good to have another senior pro alongside Williams Payne - He'll be gone, He was bought for a champinship relegation battle. RVLP? - Get rid. Depoitre - Let him go with thanks for the goal at Chelsea. Mounié - Looking at him he wants out, although a season in the championship will do him good and help get his confidence back. Whenever we sell him we will be taking a loss Lowe - Once we drop out of the premier league he'll be off back to Germany. Bacuna - Keep Schindler - He might stop although he looks knackered and the prospect of a 50+ game season might not appeal to him. So 12million for kongolo, that’s a 6 million loss on him straight away No more than 5 million for Pritchard when we got him for between 8-10 Jesus Christ mate, we are going down but we are not financial buggered just yet |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 31, 2019 12:56:08 GMT 1
I've said before the squad will be decimated if we go down, players will engineer moves away as they do not want to lose money. Loads of relgated teams fear this but how many teams are actually decimated when they've gone down? Genuine question. I know there's always a couple go I don't remember seeing teams losing the numbers that some are suggesting. I would think mainly for the fact the players are the ones that contributed to the team getting relegated in the first place would detract many suitors I have a sneaky feeling Mooy would stay another year or at least until January 2020 and CB will probably be the position that needs looking at the most. I hate to say this but if Mooy stays it’ll be career suicide. At the top of his game, has just shown that our team doesn’t tick without him, on the back of a good showing at the WC. If he stays he puts his dream at risk, another knee injury away from finishing his career in the A-league. He stayed at Town in the PL, but I don’t see him going to the Championship when he’s proven PL quality. A year in the Championship would see him through to 30. IMO he has one 3 year contract left, covering 29,30,31. |
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Post by artysid on Jan 31, 2019 12:57:13 GMT 1
You can't look at players and worry if we get less back for them than what we paid.
We bought them in a year when we still made a profit of millions, and if we we'll sell them, we'll sell in a year when we still have parachute payments coming in them.
Don't panic!!
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