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Post by ritchie on Jan 31, 2019 13:11:34 GMT 1
Horrible... Hamer is dreadful Durm is no better than what we have based on performance Stankovic failed at ELF level Williams can go for me Sabri has showed nothing in 2 years Bacuna can go for me Quaner is appalling VLP won't play for us again Diakhaby where do i start.. ------------Coleman------------ Smith---Schindler---Kongolo---Lowe ------------Hogg--------------- Grant --- Izzy --- Palmer---New LW ------------Scott Hogan---------------- Bench: Youth Keeper New CB NEW STRIKER LB signed from spurs Pritchard Payne O Brien Attacking intent Pace Trickery Proven Championship quality Awful team |
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Post by impact on Jan 31, 2019 13:47:37 GMT 1
What premiership team is going to want Mounié. Remind me what he does and what his position is . A striker who doesn't score. Teams will be queuing up for him. |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 31, 2019 14:04:08 GMT 1
Remind me what he does and what his position is . A striker who doesn't score. Teams will be queuing up for him. to be fair the whole team has been poor this season. he seems the type of player who will score if the team are playing well (thinking palace). he's not a creative striker so our laboured approach nullifies him completely could see him scoring 15 in a direct team that know how to cross and stretch teams |
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Post by impact on Jan 31, 2019 14:06:56 GMT 1
A striker who doesn't score. Teams will be queuing up for him. to be fair the whole team has been poor this season. he seems the type of player who will score if the team are playing well (thinking palace). he's not a creative striker so our laboured approach nullifies him completely could see him scoring 15 in a direct team that know how to cross and stretch teams He has scored once and missed 5 or 6 absolute gobbers, and a number of other good chances where he's barely threatened the keeper. That's nothing to do with the rest of the team. |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 31, 2019 14:16:41 GMT 1
to be fair the whole team has been poor this season. he seems the type of player who will score if the team are playing well (thinking palace). he's not a creative striker so our laboured approach nullifies him completely could see him scoring 15 in a direct team that know how to cross and stretch teams He has scored once and missed 5 or 6 absolute gobbers, and a number of other good chances where he's barely threatened the keeper. That's nothing to do with the rest of the team. its probably a lot to do with confidence though. he's missing free headers he would have bagged at montpellier is it coincidence he looked at his best when we were playing better at the start of 17-18? we changed our style and started using depoitre, confidence went imo |
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Post by terrier70 on Jan 31, 2019 14:32:22 GMT 1
Williams makes Vaughan look ever present, I wouldn't go anywhere near trying to sign him up again. Shame as you say he is a decent player. Very decent player and when he has played never lets us down but sadly we can't have injury players, remember Gobern, Robinson etc |
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Post by impact on Jan 31, 2019 14:35:53 GMT 1
He has scored once and missed 5 or 6 absolute gobbers, and a number of other good chances where he's barely threatened the keeper. That's nothing to do with the rest of the team. its probably a lot to do with confidence though. he's missing free headers he would have bagged at montpellier is it coincidence he looked at his best when we were playing better at the start of 17-18? we changed our style and started using depoitre, confidence went imo He scored 2 goals, both on the opening day, before Depoitre started. So are you saying he was at his best for 1 game? That's rubbish. He missed a total sitter on the opening day of the season v Chelsea. He missed another gobber against Palace in the 5th game. He started every game in that run. Since then he's also missed sitters against Liverpool H and City H. He has to score all of those. The only person to blame for Steve Mounie missing the sitters he has is Steve Mounie. It's nothing to do with the rest of the team. |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 31, 2019 15:04:40 GMT 1
its probably a lot to do with confidence though. he's missing free headers he would have bagged at montpellier is it coincidence he looked at his best when we were playing better at the start of 17-18? we changed our style and started using depoitre, confidence went imo He scored 2 goals, both on the opening day, before Depoitre started. So are you saying he was at his best for 1 game? That's rubbish. He missed a total sitter on the opening day of the season v Chelsea. He missed another gobber against Palace in the 5th game. He started every game in that run. Since then he's also missed sitters against Liverpool H and City H. He has to score all of those. The only person to blame for Steve Mounie missing the sitters he has is Steve Mounie. It's nothing to do with the rest of the team. Were exactly did i say it was the teams fault he's missing sitters? I didnt. I said its the teams fault he's not scoring as many as i think he is capable of. didnt say he was blameless, i think the easy sitters he is missing is somewhat down to being short of confidence, which in part is down to the dreadful football we've been playing The only factually incorrect post here is you saying he's a striker that doesnt score goals. he scored 7 in 28 last year which isnt exactly terrible but i think most of us were in agreement he would score more with some good wingers |
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Post by alexdire on Jan 31, 2019 15:04:50 GMT 1
Lossl? - I think he might go back to Germany Kongolo - Definetly premier league quality and will be snapped up. I could see Everton comming in for him. £12m Zanka - Thinks he's better than he is. He'll be in the bundesliga next season. Although we might have to pay him off. Hadergjonaj - if somebody is ineterested sell. Durm? - I would like the option to be taken up but it depends on his wages. Mooy - Unfortunately he'll be gone. But the £15m will allow rebuilding Sobhi - Cut our loses. Mbenza - Hoping it is just a loan and we don't have to shell out the £13m. Although he might do well in the championship and gain some confidence. Pritchard - He'll be going but no more than £5m Williams? - If fit I'd like to give him a new deal. He will help stabilise the midfield next season. Puncheon? - Unsure on this as to whether we offer him one year or not. It would be good to have another senior pro alongside Williams Payne - He'll be gone, He was bought for a champinship relegation battle. RVLP? - Get rid. Depoitre - Let him go with thanks for the goal at Chelsea. Mounié - Looking at him he wants out, although a season in the championship will do him good and help get his confidence back. Whenever we sell him we will be taking a loss Lowe - Once we drop out of the premier league he'll be off back to Germany. Bacuna - Keep Schindler - He might stop although he looks knackered and the prospect of a 50+ game season might not appeal to him. So 12million for kongolo, that’s a 6 million loss on him straight away No more than 5 million for Pritchard when we got him for between 8-10 Jesus Christ mate, we are going down but we are not financial buggered just yet They are members of a team that isn't good enough for the Premier League. So their value isn't going to go up is it? Also are you really suggesting Pritchard is worth more than £5m? |
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Post by impact on Jan 31, 2019 15:14:38 GMT 1
He scored 2 goals, both on the opening day, before Depoitre started. So are you saying he was at his best for 1 game? That's rubbish. He missed a total sitter on the opening day of the season v Chelsea. He missed another gobber against Palace in the 5th game. He started every game in that run. Since then he's also missed sitters against Liverpool H and City H. He has to score all of those. The only person to blame for Steve Mounie missing the sitters he has is Steve Mounie. It's nothing to do with the rest of the team. Were exactly did i say it was the teams fault he's missing sitters? I didnt. I said its the teams fault he's not scoring as many as i think he is capable of. didnt say he was blameless, i think the easy sitters he is missing is somewhat down to being short of confidence, which in part is down to the dreadful football we've been playing The only factually incorrect post here is you saying he's a striker that doesnt score goals. he scored 7 in 28 last year which isnt exactly terrible but i think most of us were in agreement he would score more with some good wingers He's scored 1 goal this season. We're at the end of January. Our centre halves are taking the chances he, and Depoitre, aren't. I don't understand how you can be short of confidence on the 1st game of the season, having been handed a starting shirt. Or the 5th game on the back of a very good point at Everton. The team didn't miss those sitters, Mounie did. |
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Post by Floyds on Jan 31, 2019 15:14:59 GMT 1
Struggle to see much demand for any of them, aside from Mooy and Billing.
Certainly not from Premier League teams.
Maybe someone abroad will take Mounie/Diakhaby etc. on a free or small fee but we'd have to accept making big losses on them.
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Post by htfcsince70 on Jan 31, 2019 15:36:17 GMT 1
Struggle to see much demand for any of them, aside from Mooy and Billing. Certainly not from Premier League teams. Maybe someone abroad will take Mounie/Diakhaby etc. on a free or small fee but we'd have to accept making big losses on them. Apologies for repeating myself but I have said before - I always ask myself how of our players would get into the opposition team that starts against us. I usually have the same answer Mooy - yes, Billing maybe, Hogg less of a maybe, Kongolo strong possibility - the others, no chance - and this all depends on who we are playing of course! Most of them would only be considered mid or lower table teams. |
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Post by greyarea on Jan 31, 2019 16:04:40 GMT 1
There we go, one of the young promising centrebacks off to get experience of men's football for 6 months. Following a similar development path as Pyle. It will interesting to see how he gets on.
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Post by Malvin K on Jan 31, 2019 17:27:58 GMT 1
I think Lossl, Kongolo, Durm, Billing, Mooy, Depoitre, VLP, Quaner, Payne and Sobhi will leave.
can see it being something like
-----------------------NEW GK/Hamer/Schofield-----------------------------------
Smith/Flo---------Zanka/Stankovic-----------------Schindler/NEW CB-------------------Lowe/Brown
--------------------Hogg/Williams-------------Bacuna/NEW CM---------------------------
Adama/Kachunga-------------------Pritchard/Sabiri----------------------------NEW LM
Mounie/Grant/NEW ST
Few suggestions for filling in the gaps based on players from the championship.
New GK-Smithies could be a good option, isn't getting any games at Cardiff.
New left sided CB-Yoann Barbet (Brentford) available on a free this summer. Can play at left back also.
New CM-Ben Pearson/Josh McEachran/Conor Hourihane/Josh Brownhill. All reasonable options, McEachran available on a free.
New LM-Callum Robinson or Jamie Paterson. Paterson available on a free. Grant can also play at LM so can see him being played there if needed.
New ST-Oli McBurnie/Assombalonga/Sean Maguire
Could look to getting young players on loan from the PL such as Herbie Kane, Fikayo Tomori, Jake Clarke-Salter, Ben Woodburn.
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Post by greyarea on Jan 31, 2019 18:02:01 GMT 1
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Post by Giggity on Jan 31, 2019 19:14:53 GMT 1
Jack Payne deserves a chance IMO.
We have just signed Grant from the same league who registered 14 goals and 4 assists in 28 league games. Payne has 8 goals and 4 assists in 30 games from a deeper position. We are crying out for goals in the team and Payne is a player who regularly hits the target. There are only Mooy and Billing in the current team who I would say have better accuracy. The rest are hopeless.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jan 31, 2019 19:22:14 GMT 1
Jack Payne deserves a chance IMO. We have just signed Grant from the same league who registered 14 goals and 4 assists in 28 league games. Payne has 8 goals and 4 assists in 30 games from a deeper position. We are crying out for goals in the team and Payne is a player who regularly hits the target. There are only Mooy and Billing in the current team who I would say have better accuracy. The rest are hopeless. He definitely showed his worth in the promotion season as a Championship standard player, particularly as an impact sub. In the case of Pritchard moving on in the summer I think we should keep him. Otherwise, I rate Sabiri more highly and I think as a third choice option for a number 10 role Payne wouldn't see many games. |
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jan 31, 2019 19:30:10 GMT 1
Next season is a perfect opportunity for Stankovic, O' Brien and Bacuna to stake their claims. We need a much bigger squad next season as well, at least 8 more games in the same amount of time makes rotation important. I'm expecting this season's squad players to be held onto for that reason.
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Post by bacuna on Jan 31, 2019 21:29:52 GMT 1
Struggle to see much demand for any of them, aside from Mooy and Billing. Certainly not from Premier League teams. Maybe someone abroad will take Mounie/Diakhaby etc. on a free or small fee but we'd have to accept making big losses on them. Could see Hogg being attractive if a team happens to want someone for the bits of the game he excels at enough for them to work around his limitations. |
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Post by townrwe on Jan 31, 2019 22:06:11 GMT 1
Struggle to see much demand for any of them, aside from Mooy and Billing. Certainly not from Premier League teams. Maybe someone abroad will take Mounie/Diakhaby etc. on a free or small fee but we'd have to accept making big losses on them. Could see Hogg being attractive if a team happens to want someone for the bits of the game he excels at enough for them to work around his limitations. The only teams he would move to would be Newcastle, Leeds if they go up or Burnley. Or someone local in the championship but he would stay with us. It's a small pool for Hogg to be no.1 choice. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 31, 2019 22:13:05 GMT 1
I wasn't concerned about being relegated because we were told that we would go down fighting or playing our way and letting them worry about us... Also we were told that we would be sensible and use money to strengthen the whole squad so we could be strong in the championship ship and play well with our own style and identity.
We've not done any of those.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jan 31, 2019 22:27:52 GMT 1
Could see Hogg being attractive if a team happens to want someone for the bits of the game he excels at enough for them to work around his limitations. The only teams he would move to would be Newcastle, Leeds if they go up or Burnley. Or someone local in the championship but he would stay with us. It's a small pool for Hogg to be no.1 choice. He's perfect for Burnley and I wouldn't be surprised one bit if he goes there if they stay up and keep Dyche on. |
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Post by mickydombat on Jan 31, 2019 22:31:58 GMT 1
Get some aggressive players
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 31, 2019 22:49:08 GMT 1
When is the training ground expected to be completed? Does anyone know
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Post by greyarea on Jan 31, 2019 22:56:28 GMT 1
When is the training ground expected to be completed? Does anyone know Yes, it's all in the info the club put out. Works has already started clearing the area. The state-of-art desso pitch that is the same as the stadium with viewing stand and all the rest is going to be built firdt (now-1year). After the new buildings/theatre and all weather pitch in 2nd year construction. Oddly I was looking back at the plans just a couple of days ago. |
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 31, 2019 23:16:37 GMT 1
When is the training ground expected to be completed? Does anyone know Yes, it's all in the info the club put out. Works has already started clearing the area. The state-of-art desso pitch that is the same as the stadium with viewing stand and all the rest is going to be built firdt (now-1year). After the new buildings/theatre and all weather pitch in 2nd year construction. Oddly I was looking back at the plans just a couple of days ago. So was I tbh Just to cheer myself up but missed the dates |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 0:25:03 GMT 1
Horrible... Hamer is dreadful Durm is no better than what we have based on performance Stankovic failed at ELF level Williams can go for me Sabri has showed nothing in 2 years Bacuna can go for me Quaner is appalling VLP won't play for us again Diakhaby where do i start.. ------------Coleman------------ Smith---Schindler---Kongolo---Lowe ------------Hogg--------------- Grant --- Izzy --- Palmer---New LW ------------Scott Hogan---------------- Bench: Youth Keeper New CB NEW STRIKER LB signed from spurs Pritchard Payne O Brien Attacking intent Pace Trickery Proven Championship quality Hamers not dreadful, unless ive missed something and hes improved . He was far worse than that. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Feb 1, 2019 8:24:40 GMT 1
The main failing this year is the squad we'll have left next season, and the spirit. It's all been torn apart. It seems a lot think we will be challenging towards the top, and I simply don't see it. Hamer Smith ? Schindler Lowe Kachunga ? Hogg Pritchard ? Grant So we need: 1x keeper 1 x LB 3 x CB 1 x controlling centre mid 2 x other centre mids 1 x right winger 2 x left winger 1 x striker This assumes the 3 who left on loan won't be coming back, and why would they? We let them know with fuck all back up so we clearly don't want them. Finding the players we need will not be easy. We won't just find another Mooy who wants to play championship, that was a one-off. The squad will be completely different, and there's no way we sign all those players without at least some duds. Totally agree with you Impact. Norwich lost their better players and gradually built a team which is doing well, we have to look at this. The championship is all about teams that are a sum of their parts not star individuals so we need good solid 15/16 players who have decent ability with a great work ethic. Players like Diakhaby should be sold even at a big loss as they do not fit this criteria. |
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Post by Darren B on Feb 2, 2019 9:59:11 GMT 1
I just don't think many players will appreciate the drop in income (even though they have signed contracts that include a drop in income should we be relegated). Some players need offloading as well. Simply not good enough. It could potentially leave us with a very small squad. For a start I'd offload Zanka (as mobile as a static brick) Lossl (unless he really wants to stay) Hadyergonads (for big money apparently) Quaner (not pulling up any trees at Ipswich while on loan) Van La Parra (Middlesboros bench warmer) Mounie (he'll probably go to another Premier League side) DePoitre (back to Belgium?) What premiership team is going to want Mounié. Has anyone in Scotland ever heard of Steve Mounie?  |
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Post by kes on Feb 3, 2019 16:22:48 GMT 1
The problem most relegated clubs have is being stuck with players on big salaries. We don't have that to worry about. We have been planning for the championship since the second Schindler put the penalty away. Only sensible thing to have done without s billionaire owner.
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