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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2019 10:00:27 GMT 1
Pochetino, Venables, Kendall, Bobby Robson, George Graham, Revie, Mackay, Benitez, Conte,..all top level players These are good managers, not great managers. Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. |
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Post by golcarexile on Mar 15, 2019 10:09:03 GMT 1
These are good managers, not great managers. Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. Agree with all that, except I don't think Benitez had a distinguished career as a player. Very good coach though. Despite the fat waiter jibes etc. I'd have him here in a shot. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 10:13:03 GMT 1
These are good managers, not great managers. Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. Yeah but Howard Kendall? Come on. Pochettino is struggling to deliver anything at the minute despite having a healthy transfer budget and probably a better squad than is given credit for. He should have delivered something by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sacked at the end of the season if he doesn't win the CL. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 15, 2019 10:26:36 GMT 1
Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. Yeah but Howard Kendall? Come on. Pochettino is struggling to deliver anything at the minute despite having a healthy transfer budget and probably a better squad than is given credit for. He should have delivered something by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sacked at the end of the season if he doesn't win the CL. Don’t know if it is due to the new ground but they did not sign one player in summer so not sure about transfer budget. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2019 10:37:40 GMT 1
Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. Yeah but Howard Kendall? Come on. Pochettino is struggling to deliver anything at the minute despite having a healthy transfer budget and probably a better squad than is given credit for. He should have delivered something by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sacked at the end of the season if he doesn't win the CL. Everton were a perennial mid table nothing club when he went there ( similar to now) . Won 2 english titles with everton, the FA cup and European Cup winners cup. Robbed of his chance to add the European cup by the ban after Heysel. IMO you not thinking that makes him a great manager is as far off the mark as thinking theres a cat in hells chance spurs will sack Pochetino! |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 15, 2019 10:45:52 GMT 1
Should this be retitled as the thread that proves DATM has a limited football knowledge?
Pochettino to be sacked?
No good players make good managers
Scholes a failure
Re Scholes. How you can tell how good he is or is going to be on the basis of 31 days is beyond me.
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Post by Amigo on Mar 15, 2019 11:06:26 GMT 1
Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. Yeah but Howard Kendall? Come on. Pochettino is struggling to deliver anything at the minute despite having a healthy transfer budget and probably a better squad than is given credit for. He should have delivered something by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sacked at the end of the season if he doesn't win the CL. A what?? He's been allowed to bring in ONE player since August 2017. |
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Post by ritchie on Mar 15, 2019 12:59:14 GMT 1
Not sure Zidane has proved to be a great manager yet. He managed a team to win a league that is a 3 horse race, yes 3 Champions League wins is an amazing stat, though technically the first Champions League win he only became manager at the back end of the season and the last one was the 'The Karius' final. He may prove to be great but not yet. Cant say he fluked 3 consecutive champions leagues though I agree to an extent that he had the right conditions, a good squad and ronaldo.... but I still dont think its something any old manager could do. The history books will have him down as a great manager |
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Post by Mav on Mar 15, 2019 13:05:19 GMT 1
Get Scholes here as midfield coach.
Great player.
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Post by tobbyg on Mar 15, 2019 13:46:15 GMT 1
Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. Yeah but Howard Kendall? Come on. Pochettino is struggling to deliver anything at the minute despite having a healthy transfer budget and probably a better squad than is given credit for. He should have delivered something by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sacked at the end of the season if he doesn't win the CL. Come off it mate, Spurs we’re throwing money about before Pochettino. He came in and promoted a lot of youth with a way of playing rather than using the check book. He’s done similar to what Wagner did for us in the championship whilst competing with the riches teams in the world, maybe as far as he can take them now but still a massive achievement for me. |
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Post by ritchie on Mar 15, 2019 14:07:21 GMT 1
Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. Yeah but Howard Kendall? Come on. Pochettino is struggling to deliver anything at the minute despite having a healthy transfer budget and probably a better squad than is given credit for. He should have delivered something by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sacked at the end of the season if he doesn't win the CL. £29m net spend since he arrived..... |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 15, 2019 16:24:28 GMT 1
These are good managers, not great managers. Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. By your reckoning Martinez is a great manager then?? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 17:22:32 GMT 1
Yeah but Howard Kendall? Come on. Pochettino is struggling to deliver anything at the minute despite having a healthy transfer budget and probably a better squad than is given credit for. He should have delivered something by now. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sacked at the end of the season if he doesn't win the CL. £29m net spend since he arrived..... Bollocks, he's spent 300 million and signed 22 players since he arrived, you're not telling me that he's brought in 261 million during that time? Your figures are way off mate. |
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Post by Amigo on Mar 15, 2019 17:45:07 GMT 1
£29m net spend since he arrived..... Bollocks, he's spent 300 million and signed 22 players since he arrived, you're not telling me that he's brought in 261 million during that time? Your figures are way off mate. I think your knowledge is way off. £229m brought in from the below players plus a further 23 players sold for "undisclosed" amounts or fees of a million or less and that figure is probably about right. Jake Livermore £8m Jermaine Defoe £6m Michael Dawson £3.5m Sandro £6m Ezkiel Fryers £5m Kyle Naughton £5m Paulinho £10m Lewis Holtby £4m Etienne Capoue £5.7m Younes Kaboul £3m Benjamin Stambouli £6m Vlad Chiriches £4m Roberto Soldado £10m Aaron Lennon £4m Andros Townsend £12m Alex Pritchard £8m Ryan Mason £10m Nacer Chadli £13m Tom Carroll £4.5m Federico Fazio £2.8m Kyle Walker £45m Kevin Wimmer £18m Clinton N'Jie £7m Nabil Bentaleb £17.5m Mousa Dembele £11m |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 15, 2019 18:16:20 GMT 1
Well that's settled that then.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 18:21:04 GMT 1
Bollocks, he's spent 300 million and signed 22 players since he arrived, you're not telling me that he's brought in 261 million during that time? Your figures are way off mate. I think your knowledge is way off. £229m brought in from the below players plus a further 23 players sold for "undisclosed" amounts or fees of a million or less and that figure is probably about right. Jake Livermore £8m Jermaine Defoe £6m Michael Dawson £3.5m Sandro £6m Ezkiel Fryers £5m Kyle Naughton £5m Paulinho £10m Lewis Holtby £4m Etienne Capoue £5.7m Younes Kaboul £3m Benjamin Stambouli £6m Vlad Chiriches £4m Roberto Soldado £10m Aaron Lennon £4m Andros Townsend £12m Alex Pritchard £8m Ryan Mason £10m Nacer Chadli £13m Tom Carroll £4.5m Federico Fazio £2.8m Kyle Walker £45m Kevin Wimmer £18m Clinton N'Jie £7m Nabil Bentaleb £17.5m Mousa Dembele £11m Them figures don't add up to 229 million mate and you're not telling me there has been nearly 50 players going out of Tottenham in Pochettino's time. |
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Post by impact on Mar 15, 2019 18:23:38 GMT 1
I think your knowledge is way off. £229m brought in from the below players plus a further 23 players sold for "undisclosed" amounts or fees of a million or less and that figure is probably about right. Jake Livermore £8m Jermaine Defoe £6m Michael Dawson £3.5m Sandro £6m Ezkiel Fryers £5m Kyle Naughton £5m Paulinho £10m Lewis Holtby £4m Etienne Capoue £5.7m Younes Kaboul £3m Benjamin Stambouli £6m Vlad Chiriches £4m Roberto Soldado £10m Aaron Lennon £4m Andros Townsend £12m Alex Pritchard £8m Ryan Mason £10m Nacer Chadli £13m Tom Carroll £4.5m Federico Fazio £2.8m Kyle Walker £45m Kevin Wimmer £18m Clinton N'Jie £7m Nabil Bentaleb £17.5m Mousa Dembele £11m Them figures don't add up to 229 million mate and you're not telling me there has been nearly 50 players going out of Tottenham in Pochettino's time. 229 exactly I make it. I'd say you need some maths lessons. This will be useful for you not believing so many players have left. There are a lot. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/alletransfers/verein/148 |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 15, 2019 19:08:16 GMT 1
I think your knowledge is way off. £229m brought in from the below players plus a further 23 players sold for "undisclosed" amounts or fees of a million or less and that figure is probably about right. Jake Livermore £8m Jermaine Defoe £6m Michael Dawson £3.5m Sandro £6m Ezkiel Fryers £5m Kyle Naughton £5m Paulinho £10m Lewis Holtby £4m Etienne Capoue £5.7m Younes Kaboul £3m Benjamin Stambouli £6m Vlad Chiriches £4m Roberto Soldado £10m Aaron Lennon £4m Andros Townsend £12m Alex Pritchard £8m Ryan Mason £10m Nacer Chadli £13m Tom Carroll £4.5m Federico Fazio £2.8m Kyle Walker £45m Kevin Wimmer £18m Clinton N'Jie £7m Nabil Bentaleb £17.5m Mousa Dembele £11m Them figures don't add up to 229 million mate and you're not telling me there has been nearly 50 players going out of Tottenham in Pochettino's time. I think you should keep going with this. Its ace. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Mar 15, 2019 19:30:41 GMT 1
Back to the opening "Well done Paul" title thread, it was a sarky dig at him for leaving so soon into his reign, however I would say it actually applies literally in this case, well done for telling a fruit loop owner I'm not prepared to work for you if you're going to stick your nose in, despite assurances you wouldn't.
Of course the fact it's the multi millionaire former England and Man. United player Paul Scholes makes it much easier to stick to his principles than a journeyman former lower league player, with a mortgage to pay and looking to take his first steps on the managerial ladder.
Blackpool have finally got rid of their toxic owners but still Oldham,Charlton, Coventry and others have to suffer with owners that are not fit for purpose.
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Post by smax on Mar 15, 2019 19:42:35 GMT 1
Wagner’s next club? Ease back in after terrible pressure at Town.
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Post by Amigo on Mar 15, 2019 20:33:30 GMT 1
I think your knowledge is way off. £229m brought in from the below players plus a further 23 players sold for "undisclosed" amounts or fees of a million or less and that figure is probably about right. Jake Livermore £8m Jermaine Defoe £6m Michael Dawson £3.5m Sandro £6m Ezkiel Fryers £5m Kyle Naughton £5m Paulinho £10m Lewis Holtby £4m Etienne Capoue £5.7m Younes Kaboul £3m Benjamin Stambouli £6m Vlad Chiriches £4m Roberto Soldado £10m Aaron Lennon £4m Andros Townsend £12m Alex Pritchard £8m Ryan Mason £10m Nacer Chadli £13m Tom Carroll £4.5m Federico Fazio £2.8m Kyle Walker £45m Kevin Wimmer £18m Clinton N'Jie £7m Nabil Bentaleb £17.5m Mousa Dembele £11m Them figures don't add up to 229 million mate and you're not telling me there has been nearly 50 players going out of Tottenham in Pochettino's time. I doubt you're thick enough to believe anything you've just said and are on a wind up although to be fair it would explain a lot of your comments about Town over the years. |
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Post by lorddriffield on Mar 15, 2019 20:38:17 GMT 1
I must admit I was taking the piss when I opened the thread like I generally do with things concerning Man Ure, especially when they go tits up, but.....why didn't Scholes hang on and try to change things from within if he's such a big supporter of the club himself? He had an 18 month contract and got off to a great start. He did however have to suffer the indignity of only one win in seven before he left after 31 days. His boss seems a bit confused as to why, and a bit upset that Paul resigned by text message. Maybe Scholes panicked realising he was in the deep end and was a poor swimmer. However, if he had stood up to Abdallah Lemsagram and the poor working conditions he was complaining about he'd have had the support of the fans anyway. Even if it did mean leaving or getting booted out within 18 months.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 20:57:31 GMT 1
Them figures don't add up to 229 million mate and you're not telling me there has been nearly 50 players going out of Tottenham in Pochettino's time. I doubt you're thick enough to believe anything you've just said and are on a wind up although to be fair it would explain a lot of your comments about Town over the years. Bottom line is Pochettino has to prove himself as a manager and he needs to do it quick. Tottenham need to be winning some trophies quick, who they got in the CL? |
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Post by Town Duppy on Mar 15, 2019 21:10:54 GMT 1
Or perhaps He has enough money now to be able to stand up to his principles and tell the Moroccan owner to keep his nose out of team selection and let him do his job. Money and principles don't mix mate. Damn those Monciples! |
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Post by lorddriffield on Mar 15, 2019 21:15:16 GMT 1
Get Scholes here as midfield coach.
Great player.
Someone for the lads to aspire too, especially the youngsters. Solskjaer has maybe thrown him a bone today by inviting him to Old Trafford for a chat. Either a shoulder to cry on or a coaching role? |
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Post by ritchie on Mar 15, 2019 21:48:43 GMT 1
I doubt you're thick enough to believe anything you've just said and are on a wind up although to be fair it would explain a lot of your comments about Town over the years. Bottom line is Pochettino has to prove himself as a manager and he needs to do it quick. Tottenham need to be winning some trophies quick, who they got in the CL? the phrase 'bottom line' is quite ironic considering you seem to be completely ignoring the financials. Poch doesnt need to prove anything more than he already has at spurs, he needs to move to a big club before you judge him on trophies |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 22:08:51 GMT 1
Bottom line is Pochettino has to prove himself as a manager and he needs to do it quick. Tottenham need to be winning some trophies quick, who they got in the CL? the phrase 'bottom line' is quite ironic considering you seem to be completely ignoring the financials. Poch doesnt need to prove anything more than he already has at spurs, he needs to move to a big club before you judge him on trophies Be interesting to see what happens to Tottenham when they move to the new stadium, they should kick on and be a force. |
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Post by ritchie on Mar 15, 2019 22:38:10 GMT 1
the phrase 'bottom line' is quite ironic considering you seem to be completely ignoring the financials. Poch doesnt need to prove anything more than he already has at spurs, he needs to move to a big club before you judge him on trophies Be interesting to see what happens to Tottenham when they move to the new stadium, they should kick on and be a force. hmm im not so sure.. it's going to be arsenal all over again. stadium to pay off so limited budget with expectations of top 4 - which poch has proved he is very good at. but unlike arsenal I cant see poch being as loyal as arsene Unless they give poch a competitive budget he will be off and they will struggle to replace him |
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Post by Amigo on Mar 15, 2019 23:51:54 GMT 1
I doubt you're thick enough to believe anything you've just said and are on a wind up although to be fair it would explain a lot of your comments about Town over the years. Bottom line is Pochettino has to prove himself as a manager and he needs to do it quick. Tottenham need to be winning some trophies quick, who they got in the CL? The fact that they're consistently up there considering their spending "power" is an achievement in itself especially considering the amount of time they haven't had a home ground. I'm sure they'd love an FA Cup but let's be honest it's all about getting in the Champions League these days. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2019 0:36:13 GMT 1
Depends on your definition of good. Pochetino is very highly rated but not yet turned that into trophies. All the others have various titles or european trophies to their names,. or both. If winning things at the top level of the game doesn;t qualify you as a great manager, then Im not sure what does. By your reckoning Martinez is a great manager then?? Probably need more than an FA cup in this day and age for that, to be fair. He certainly had a great managerial achievement, but 'top' manager is maybe more accurate for him. |
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