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Post by lorddriffield on Mar 14, 2019 21:40:06 GMT 1
Well done Paul Scholes who will now go down in the history books of Oldham Athletic AFC as one of their all time greats. Sadly he has decided to go out at the top and it will be a brave man indeed who has the bottle to take up the reins and walk in his footsteps. Paul, an avid fan of the club as well as landing his dream job as manager for 31 days, has promised to remain a dedicated supporter and I'm sure the fans will thank him for that. He is in fact now part of a long line of ex-Man Utd players who have dedicated their lives to making the world of football just that little bit better, either as TV pundit or manager-coach. Not quite reaching the giddy levels of success as some of his peers such as Steve Bruce or Mark Hughes he has reportedly been inspired by ex-team mate Neil Webb. Neil after leaving his managerial position at Reading could be found happily selling programmes outside the ground on match days and later became a postman. If Paul will take this added burden upon himself for Oldham is yet to be seen but if he does we can rest assured that his reputation as a local hero will grow even more. Well done sir!
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Post by sonny on Mar 14, 2019 21:46:10 GMT 1
Not forgetting Gary Neville's peerless spell in Spain.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 14, 2019 22:01:54 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Mar 14, 2019 22:09:12 GMT 1
Oldham are owned by a moron who has no idea how to run an English football club.
Feel sorry for the few thousand who are left that didnt go 5 miles down the road and support Man City or Man United.
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 14, 2019 22:19:52 GMT 1
Sounds like they've reneged on whatever promises they made him when he took over
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Post by terrier25 on Mar 14, 2019 22:23:53 GMT 1
Good on him for standing up for himself and refusing to let the owner interfere in team affairs. When a footbal agent owns a 4th tier club, it can only be to line his pockets by shop-windowing players he represents. The Oldham job is a poisoned chalice while this chump owns it.
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Post by niggled on Mar 14, 2019 23:19:42 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. Or perhaps He has enough money now to be able to stand up to his principles and tell the Moroccan owner to keep his nose out of team selection and let him do his job.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 14, 2019 23:24:20 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. Or perhaps He has enough money now to be able to stand up to his principles and tell the Moroccan owner to keep his nose out of team selection and let him do his job. Money and principles don't mix mate.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 14, 2019 23:25:17 GMT 1
Not forgetting Gary Neville's peerless spell in Spain. The man with all the charisma and football nous of a toilet brush.
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Post by ritchie on Mar 14, 2019 23:36:09 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. Ok. how about zidane?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 14, 2019 23:48:42 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. Ok. how about zidane? Is he a good manager? To be honest I didn't even know he had been a manager anywhere.
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Post by impact on Mar 14, 2019 23:51:30 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. You've picked a select bunch out there tbh. You could also name some pretty good players who have made top managers - Guardiola, Ancelotti, Trapattoni, Paisley. Don't think it's quite as skewed as you made out.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 0:02:49 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. You've picked a select bunch out there tbh. You could also name some pretty good players who have made top managers - Guardiola, Ancelotti, Trapattoni, Paisley. Don't think it's quite as skewed as you made out. Guardiola yeah fair enough, Trappatoni? I've heard of him but who has he managed? No one here. Ancelloti, did ok at Chelsea. Being a great manager in Spain or Italy totally passes me by as I have no interest at all in their football.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2019 0:06:23 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. . Doesn;t show that at all ( and that isn;t true anyway ) All it shows is modern day great players don;t need a career in management to make ends meet , so don;t need to put up with any crap from interfering club owners.
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Post by ritchie on Mar 15, 2019 0:11:03 GMT 1
Is he a good manager? To be honest I didn't even know he had been a manager anywhere. not sure if you're playing dumb but yes he won 3 champions leagues in a row and a la liga title. i was more at a loss as to why warnock was listed with those lot to be honest. Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. You've picked a select bunch out there tbh. You could also name some pretty good players who have made top managers - Guardiola, Ancelotti, Trapattoni, Paisley. Don't think it's quite as skewed as you made out. Also have to take into account "top players" is a tiny pool to pick out of vs the rest of the world. tbf i do think there are probably some factors that could make it difficult for good players to be good managers. full careers of being told what to do/conditioned could make them less adaptable to the manager role which is about much more than just on the pitch. and also players who are naturally gifted might struggle with less talented players, but i dont think its as bigger thing as people make out. it probably helps more than hinders if youve played at the top There's fewer joses/wengers than there are good players as managers
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Post by Amigo on Mar 15, 2019 0:18:42 GMT 1
You've picked a select bunch out there tbh. You could also name some pretty good players who have made top managers - Guardiola, Ancelotti, Trapattoni, Paisley. Don't think it's quite as skewed as you made out. Guardiola yeah fair enough, Trappatoni? I've heard of him but who has he managed? No one here. Ancelloti, did ok at Chelsea. Being a great manager in Spain or Italy totally passes me by as I have no interest at all in their football. I take it you think Messi, Iniesta, Xavi aren't or weren't that good or Ronaldo looked good about 12 years ago but has done nothing since? Daft comment. You weren't aware Zidane had been a manager either, hasn't he won the Champions League for the last 3 year? Has Nick hacked your account? Trappatoni has managed Bayern, Juventus, Italy and Republic of Ireland amongst others. He's won 10 league titles in 5 different countries but because he hasn't won anything here he's dismissed? Didn't realise you were such a little Englander.
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Post by impact on Mar 15, 2019 0:34:17 GMT 1
You've picked a select bunch out there tbh. You could also name some pretty good players who have made top managers - Guardiola, Ancelotti, Trapattoni, Paisley. Don't think it's quite as skewed as you made out. Guardiola yeah fair enough, Trappatoni? I've heard of him but who has he managed? No one here. Ancelloti, did ok at Chelsea. Being a great manager in Spain or Italy totally passes me by as I have no interest at all in their football. Come off it. You can't be that ignorant. Trapp won 3 European cups and a load of Italian titles. Ancelotti 3 European cups and a load of league titles in 4 different countries. He's one of the most decorated managers in history. Even if you want to move the goalposts Otium-esque to just the UK then, on top of Carlo, Pep and Paisley there's Dalglish, and Sir Matt, Clough and Shankly weren't bad players at all.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 15, 2019 0:51:26 GMT 1
Pochetino, Venables, Kendall, Bobby Robson, George Graham, Revie, Mackay, Benitez, Conte,..all top level players
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 15, 2019 3:44:07 GMT 1
Pochetino, Venables, Kendall, Bobby Robson, George Graham, Revie, Mackay, Benitez, Conte,..all top level players Not forgetting Cloughie wasn't too shabby a goalscorer either who retired through injury in his 20's
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 7:52:24 GMT 1
Is he a good manager? To be honest I didn't even know he had been a manager anywhere. not sure if you're playing dumb but yes he won 3 champions leagues in a row and a la liga title. i was more at a loss as to why warnock was listed with those lot to be honest. You've picked a select bunch out there tbh. You could also name some pretty good players who have made top managers - Guardiola, Ancelotti, Trapattoni, Paisley. Don't think it's quite as skewed as you made out. Also have to take into account "top players" is a tiny pool to pick out of vs the rest of the world. tbf i do think there are probably some factors that could make it difficult for good players to be good managers. full careers of being told what to do/conditioned could make them less adaptable to the manager role which is about much more than just on the pitch. and also players who are naturally gifted might struggle with less talented players, but i dont think its as bigger thing as people make out. it probably helps more than hinders if youve played at the top There's fewer joses/wengers than there are good players as managers Honestly no I have no interest in CL or Real Madrid, Barcelona or any other European club for that matter. I honestly couldn't tell you who the current CL holders are without looking it up.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 7:53:53 GMT 1
Guardiola yeah fair enough, Trappatoni? I've heard of him but who has he managed? No one here. Ancelloti, did ok at Chelsea. Being a great manager in Spain or Italy totally passes me by as I have no interest at all in their football. Come off it. You can't be that ignorant. Trapp won 3 European cups and a load of Italian titles. Ancelotti 3 European cups and a load of league titles in 4 different countries. He's one of the most decorated managers in history. Even if you want to move the goalposts Otium-esque to just the UK then, on top of Carlo, Pep and Paisley there's Dalglish, and Sir Matt, Clough and Shankly weren't bad players at all. As I said no interest in European football at all.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 7:58:10 GMT 1
Pochetino, Venables, Kendall, Bobby Robson, George Graham, Revie, Mackay, Benitez, Conte,..all top level players These are good managers, not great managers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:01:01 GMT 1
Pochetino, Venables, Kendall, Bobby Robson, George Graham, Revie, Mackay, Benitez, Conte,..all top level players These are good managers, not great managers. Sir Alf Ramsey? PS. Shame on you regarding Bobby Robson.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 8:22:10 GMT 1
These are good managers, not great managers. Sir Alf Ramsey? PS. Shame on you regarding Bobby Robson. Maybe Robson won something in his time at PSV or Barca, I don't honestly know? He did ok at Newcastle and to be fair did ok for England under ridiculous levels of criticism from the press at times.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:29:15 GMT 1
Sir Alf Ramsey? PS. Shame on you regarding Bobby Robson. Maybe Robson won something in his time at PSV or Barca, I don't honestly know? He did ok at Newcastle and to be fair did ok for England under ridiculous levels of criticism from the press at times. Added to which he and Sir Alf worked miracles at Ipswich. Under Bobby Robson.
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Post by kennyk2 on Mar 15, 2019 8:36:35 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Jan Siewert, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2019 8:50:45 GMT 1
Maybe Robson won something in his time at PSV or Barca, I don't honestly know? He did ok at Newcastle and to be fair did ok for England under ridiculous levels of criticism from the press at times. Added to which he and Sir Alf worked miracles at Ipswich. Under Bobby Robson. It was a more level playing field then. It would be interesting to see how Guardiola would do at a club with a lot less resources than he has at City. If you can just buy whoever you want then it figures you're going to win stuff. How much of it is to do with the manager and how much is it to do with the players being top quality? Probably a bit of both.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:58:16 GMT 1
Added to which he and Sir Alf worked miracles at Ipswich. Under Bobby Robson. It was a more level playing field then. It would be interesting to see how Guardiola would do at a club with a lot less resources than he has at City. If you can just buy whoever you want then it figures you're going to win stuff. How much of it is to do with the manager and how much is it to do with the players being top quality? Probably a bit of both. Doubt it's as simple as that. Pep has been outstanding as a manager since starting out at Barcelona B.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 15, 2019 9:12:57 GMT 1
Just goes to show great players don't make great managers. All the best managers have had average careers, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Neil Warnock, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a pro footballer. Ok. how about zidane? Not sure Zidane has proved to be a great manager yet. He managed a team to win a league that is a 3 horse race, yes 3 Champions League wins is an amazing stat, though technically the first Champions League win he only became manager at the back end of the season and the last one was the 'The Karius' final. He may prove to be great but not yet.
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Post by Macduff on Mar 15, 2019 9:50:28 GMT 1
Maybe Robson won something in his time at PSV or Barca, I don't honestly know? He did ok at Newcastle and to be fair did ok for England under ridiculous levels of criticism from the press at times. Added to which he and Sir Alf worked miracles at Ipswich. Under Bobby Robson. Was there that day,lots of disgruntled Manure fans looking for trouble among the home fans. Ipswich a team well worth watching at the time.
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