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Post by townrwe on Jun 12, 2019 7:47:43 GMT 1
We are going to do well to get the majority of the squad in and out of the building before Monday. Well if anyone knows, surely it’s you! You’re the man! Come on, name names and cement your reputation. Only know two. Ones been linked heavily in the press, the other a German.. We are in safehans you shouldn't worry. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 12, 2019 7:56:07 GMT 1
Hopefully a world class striker is on the radar to link up with Grant.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 12, 2019 7:57:50 GMT 1
Hopefully a world class striker is on the radar to link up with Grant. World class 🙈 |
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Post by dalesterrier on Jun 12, 2019 8:01:14 GMT 1
Did I read somewhere that the squad are back in pre season training on Monday? 17th June? It seems pretty early as we have been coming back to be on the grass around 1st of July under Wagner. We are going to do well to get the majority of the squad in and out of the building before Monday. Testing on 21 June then full pre season training on 24 June |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 12, 2019 8:02:33 GMT 1
So hed prefer not to appoint till after the window .. yet they are interviewing in two weeks? If it was important how come we haven't had one for.getting on for half of our premier league experience ? I don't know if it's important or not . But don't you think we have been a little inconsistent as to whether it is or isn't? Interviews in two weeks isn’t inconsistent with anything that has been said. So no .... I don’t. I really don’t understand this requirement to find scandal where there is none. The club is criticised when it goes quiet, but the minute it tries to be open..... I'm not trying to find "scandal" . So stop misconstruing For the last year or so I have never been sure as to whether the club feel a DOF is an important role . Now I'm just a layman I'm not saying it is or it isn't. But I've found it odd that the club's message 're this has been inconsistent. Weve had one and its great. But then for large periods (plural) of time we have been happy not to have one. Maybe Phil's view is different to Deans and we are implementing Phil's philosophy? Not sure where the scandal is ? |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 12, 2019 8:02:36 GMT 1
He wouldn;t have been as successful. But never really got the boredom tag Powell gets. Certainly not compared to wagner whos side seemed much less gung-ho and more cautious to me. In Powells only (almost) full season here in 14/15 we actually scored more than Wagners side did in getting promotion, even though they were obviously no where near as good. Think the boring perception is mainly down to results than a lack of attacking, chance-creating football. I saw plenty of games under Powell where he was cautious. Often against team in and around us in the league - the very games we should have adopted a more positive approach. We played cautiously under Wagner too, but the difference - for me - is that under Wagner we always seemed to be in games as we often had plenty of the ball. Under Powell we played some decent football, but all too often we resorted to long balls. Given the choice, I'd rather watch cautious passing football than cautious hoof ball. I've acknowledged that Powell had us playing decent stuff at times, but never consistently, and he produced plenty of defensive dirge too. I can only speak for myself, but my perception of Piwell's boring football has nothing to do with results - it was down to what I was watching. And plenty who sit around me would agree. IMO a lot of the football was crap to watch irrespective of the results. Wagner was defensive in the Premier League, but at least we kept the ball and showed some sort of control in matches. Under Powell it was often 10 men behind the ball and boot it as far as possible. From My post 11 Feb 2019:- Why have all our managers in the last 10 years or so gradually become more and more defensively minded and ended up trying to grind out results that have bored us all to tears at times? Is this just the pressure of being a manager? I doubt it as it does not appear to be prevalent everywhere (no facts or figures to back this up). Could it be that there is something in Town's make-up that makes more likely to happen to one of our managers? If it is can we change it? The change in tactics we are starting to see at the moment I would rather keep than returning to the negative style that we seem to persistently return to! We all realise that managing a football club is a high-pressure job, but I contend that we must have some odd psychology in the town or the club that has driven all our managers to play more and more negatively. If we could only identify what it was, we could prevent it and allow our manager(s) the freedom to keep playing football that is not only good to watch but exciting. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 12, 2019 8:47:16 GMT 1
I saw plenty of games under Powell where he was cautious. Often against team in and around us in the league - the very games we should have adopted a more positive approach. We played cautiously under Wagner too, but the difference - for me - is that under Wagner we always seemed to be in games as we often had plenty of the ball. Under Powell we played some decent football, but all too often we resorted to long balls. Given the choice, I'd rather watch cautious passing football than cautious hoof ball. I've acknowledged that Powell had us playing decent stuff at times, but never consistently, and he produced plenty of defensive dirge too. I can only speak for myself, but my perception of Piwell's boring football has nothing to do with results - it was down to what I was watching. And plenty who sit around me would agree. IMO a lot of the football was crap to watch irrespective of the results. Wagner was defensive in the Premier League, but at least we kept the ball and showed some sort of control in matches. Under Powell it was often 10 men behind the ball and boot it as far as possible. From My post 11 Feb 2019:- Why have all our managers in the last 10 years or so gradually become more and more defensively minded and ended up trying to grind out results that have bored us all to tears at times? Is this just the pressure of being a manager? I doubt it as it does not appear to be prevalent everywhere (no facts or figures to back this up). Could it be that there is something in Town's make-up that makes more likely to happen to one of our managers? If it is can we change it? The change in tactics we are starting to see at the moment I would rather keep than returning to the negative style that we seem to persistently return to! We all realise that managing a football club is a high-pressure job, but I contend that we must have some odd psychology in the town or the club that has driven all our managers to play more and more negatively. If we could only identify what it was, we could prevent it and allow our manager(s) the freedom to keep playing football that is not only good to watch but exciting. Maybe it's the infamous Galpharm Groan at anything slightly adventurous that fails 😄 |
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Post by deadleg on Jun 12, 2019 10:55:32 GMT 1
It's just human nature to become more risk-averse as pressure on you increases and/or you lose confidence in yourself and others. It doesn't just happen here at all, you see it at every club.
It's why I was sure the awful tone set in Powell's first two games wouldn't lead to something better later on and that Wagner would soon start trying to park the bus against everyone after starting to do it against the big teams. Managers very rarely get more positive as they go and it's a slippery slope once the fear sets in.
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 12, 2019 11:00:05 GMT 1
Why is everybody banging on about chris powell??  has he got to do wi owt?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 11:29:54 GMT 1
Did I read somewhere that the squad are back in pre season training on Monday? 17th June? It seems pretty early as we have been coming back to be on the grass around 1st of July under Wagner. We are going to do well to get the majority of the squad in and out of the building before Monday. they are back in on friday21st for medicals and then start pre season on Monday 24thjune |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 12, 2019 11:36:00 GMT 1
Seriously you cannot quote a price for footballers in different decades Maradona was sold to Naples for 5 million he would be over 200 million now. The price for footballers is multiplying so quickly it’s frightening. I love the past and moving forward is hard to accept in most walks of life, football is moving financially quicker than any business you cannot even compare to 2 years ago it’s that mad. If you say Maradonna is £200m in tonights market, would he be more or less than a prime Cristiano Ronaldo? Probably more ( hated him for his hand of god) but possibly the greatest footballer of all time. |
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Post by somtam on Jun 12, 2019 11:58:12 GMT 1
If you say Maradonna is £200m in tonights market, would he be more or less than a prime Cristiano Ronaldo? Probably more ( hated him for his hand of god) but possibly the greatest footballer of all time. I will never forgive the cheating bastard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:00:23 GMT 1
If you say Maradonna is £200m in tonights market, would he be more or less than a prime Cristiano Ronaldo? Probably more ( hated him for his hand of god) but possibly the greatest footballer of all time. Really? Its obviously a debate that can never be answered, but id have Ronaldo and thats above Messi too. Carried teams to trophies, changed from a winger to striker and his goalscoring record in every country is astounding and also international level. Euros(carried them)Champions Leagues, Leagues, Cups etc. World Cup is missing of course, but I feel Maradonna played in a great team(that cheated to win it) and Messi probably plays in a better Argentinian team on paper, yet they flop and he normally does not turn up, bar the last. My opinion, Cristiano is probably the best footballer ever, best athlete etc and brand. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 12, 2019 12:10:39 GMT 1
Probably more ( hated him for his hand of god) but possibly the greatest footballer of all time. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. Doubt that's natural though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:15:04 GMT 1
Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. Doubt that's natural though. What makes you think that then? There seems to always be a negative against someone with your posts. Chairman and now Ronaldo? He doesnt drink, smoke or eat shite. His regime is ridiculous, his son trains with him too. It is down to a structured diet, intense fitness regime and not drinking. It isnt hard to believe. There are normal blokes who are like this, with legal supplements, pre workout etc. If he was on any drugs, pretty sure theyd love to catch him. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 12, 2019 12:18:30 GMT 1
Probably more ( hated him for his hand of god) but possibly the greatest footballer of all time. Really? Its obviously a debate that can never be answered, but id have Ronaldo and thats above Messi too. Carried teams to trophies, changed from a winger to striker and his goalscoring record in every country is astounding and also international level. Euros(carried them)Champions Leagues, Leagues, Cups etc. World Cup is missing of course, but I feel Maradonna played in a great team(that cheated to win it) and Messi probably plays in a better Argentinian team on paper, yet they flop and he normally does not turn up, bar the last. My opinion, Cristiano is probably the best footballer ever, best athlete etc and brand. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. I actually think Ronaldo has achieved far more in his career than maradonna did, he’s committed himself to the game far more than Diego. But football has changed so much over the years. Ronaldo would not have lasted 2 mins in Maradonnas era, he was that good every teams tactic was to mame him. In today’s era Maradonna would of been unplayable, they could hardly touch him when they were trying to break his legs. Both freaks of nature , nobody is correct just opinions. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 12, 2019 12:21:42 GMT 1
Probably more ( hated him for his hand of god) but possibly the greatest footballer of all time. Really? Its obviously a debate that can never be answered, but id have Ronaldo and thats above Messi too. Carried teams to trophies, changed from a winger to striker and his goalscoring record in every country is astounding and also international level. Euros(carried them)Champions Leagues, Leagues, Cups etc. World Cup is missing of course, but I feel Maradonna played in a great team(that cheated to win it) and Messi probably plays in a better Argentinian team on paper, yet they flop and he normally does not turn up, bar the last. My opinion, Cristiano is probably the best footballer ever, best athlete etc and brand. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. Couldnt agree more... Topped the goalscoring charts in .. England.. Spain.. And italy. Adapted his game as he has got older.. Hardly had a kick last week against switzerland..but still scored a hat-trick. He scores all sorts of goals..headers..tap ins..free kicks.30 yard screamers.. Works hard for his team.. Leader of men.. 💪 |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jun 12, 2019 12:22:26 GMT 1
Are we signing maradona or Ronaldo then
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:23:45 GMT 1
Really? Its obviously a debate that can never be answered, but id have Ronaldo and thats above Messi too. Carried teams to trophies, changed from a winger to striker and his goalscoring record in every country is astounding and also international level. Euros(carried them)Champions Leagues, Leagues, Cups etc. World Cup is missing of course, but I feel Maradonna played in a great team(that cheated to win it) and Messi probably plays in a better Argentinian team on paper, yet they flop and he normally does not turn up, bar the last. My opinion, Cristiano is probably the best footballer ever, best athlete etc and brand. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. Couldnt agree more... Topped the goalscoring charts in .. England.. Spain.. And italy. Adapted his game as he has got older.. Hardly had a kick last week against switzerland..but still scored a hat-trick. He scores all sorts of goals..headers..tap ins..free kicks.30 yard screamers.. Works hard for his team.. Leader of men.. 💪
Sounds just like what we need.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:25:09 GMT 1
Really? Its obviously a debate that can never be answered, but id have Ronaldo and thats above Messi too. Carried teams to trophies, changed from a winger to striker and his goalscoring record in every country is astounding and also international level. Euros(carried them)Champions Leagues, Leagues, Cups etc. World Cup is missing of course, but I feel Maradonna played in a great team(that cheated to win it) and Messi probably plays in a better Argentinian team on paper, yet they flop and he normally does not turn up, bar the last. My opinion, Cristiano is probably the best footballer ever, best athlete etc and brand. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. I actually think Ronaldo has achieved far more in his career than maradonna did, he’s committed himself to the game far more than Diego. But football has changed so much over the years. Ronaldo would not have lasted 2 mins in Maradonnas era, he was that good every teams tactic was to mame him. In today’s era Maradonna would of been unplayable, they could hardly touch him when they were trying to break his legs. Both freaks of nature , nobody is correct just opinions. Exactly, football has moved on a lot. Could Ronaldo done his step overs and tricks on an 80s pitch? Very unlikely. But youre remembered for what you win, Maradonna and Pele will be forever spoke of, just my opinion, I think Ronaldo is and will be used as the "Complete Athlete" profile for years to come. If you want to be the best, win the most etc, this is how you live your life. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:28:34 GMT 1
Really? Its obviously a debate that can never be answered, but id have Ronaldo and thats above Messi too. Carried teams to trophies, changed from a winger to striker and his goalscoring record in every country is astounding and also international level. Euros(carried them)Champions Leagues, Leagues, Cups etc. World Cup is missing of course, but I feel Maradonna played in a great team(that cheated to win it) and Messi probably plays in a better Argentinian team on paper, yet they flop and he normally does not turn up, bar the last. My opinion, Cristiano is probably the best footballer ever, best athlete etc and brand. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. Couldnt agree more... Topped the goalscoring charts in .. England.. Spain.. And italy. Adapted his game as he has got older.. Hardly had a kick last week against switzerland..but still scored a hat-trick. He scores all sorts of goals..headers..tap ins..free kicks.30 yard screamers.. Works hard for his team.. Leader of men.. 💪 I used to put him ahead of Messi for two reasons, his use of the weaker foot and his heading. He can leap the height of a basketball player and his standing jump is absolutely ridiculous. Now I just put him ahead due to where hes played, how he has adapted to each league and still won everything. |
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Post by Macduff on Jun 12, 2019 12:43:26 GMT 1
Erm why doesnt someone start a "Best player ever" thread, then this one can get back to what it should be, ie those who pretend to know posting for those who haven't got a clue.
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Post by benhomly on Jun 12, 2019 12:43:53 GMT 1
Really? Its obviously a debate that can never be answered, but id have Ronaldo and thats above Messi too. Carried teams to trophies, changed from a winger to striker and his goalscoring record in every country is astounding and also international level. Euros(carried them)Champions Leagues, Leagues, Cups etc. World Cup is missing of course, but I feel Maradonna played in a great team(that cheated to win it) and Messi probably plays in a better Argentinian team on paper, yet they flop and he normally does not turn up, bar the last. My opinion, Cristiano is probably the best footballer ever, best athlete etc and brand. Seriously unreal to be the shape he is still. I actually think Ronaldo has achieved far more in his career than maradonna did, he’s committed himself to the game far more than Diego. But football has changed so much over the years. Ronaldo would not have lasted 2 mins in Maradonnas era, he was that good every teams tactic was to mame him. In today’s era Maradonna would of been unplayable, they could hardly touch him when they were trying to break his legs. Both freaks of nature , nobody is correct just opinions. He's certainly a freak of nature now. Makes Tattoo off Fantasy Island look like Peter Crouch. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 12, 2019 12:52:05 GMT 1
Erm why doesnt someone start a "Best player ever" thread, then this one can get back to what it should be, ie those who pretend to know posting for those who haven't got a clue. Done |
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Post by capitalterrier on Jun 12, 2019 13:50:39 GMT 1
Whilst the fees themselves are crazy for what we're used to paying for players pre 2017, I'd say the quality of player isn't THAT much better, relative to the fee, than what we've had before, Kongolo aside perhaps. Mounie £12m better than Wijnhard/Stewart? Pritchard £10.5m better than Gorre? Diakhaby millions better than the Thornley we took on loan? Seriously you cannot quote a price for footballers in different decades Maradona was sold to Naples for 5 million he would be over 200 million now. The price for footballers is multiplying so quickly it’s frightening. I love the past and moving forward is hard to accept in most walks of life, football is moving financially quicker than any business you cannot even compare to 2 years ago it’s that mad. The point I was trying to make is that the quality of these players isn't way above the quality we've seen previously, as much as the crazy transfer fees would suggest. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 12, 2019 13:55:24 GMT 1
Seriously you cannot quote a price for footballers in different decades Maradona was sold to Naples for 5 million he would be over 200 million now. The price for footballers is multiplying so quickly it’s frightening. I love the past and moving forward is hard to accept in most walks of life, football is moving financially quicker than any business you cannot even compare to 2 years ago it’s that mad. The point I was trying to make is that the quality of these players isn't way above the quality we've seen previously, as much as the crazy transfer fees would suggest. You right with quality of players but price is not comparable. Stewart when Ipswich finished in top 6 in top division and was 2nd highest scorer would of fetched more than 12 million now . Too many ifs and buts |
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Post by townohiofan on Jun 12, 2019 16:29:07 GMT 1
I know there was some (didn't seem well documented) about a scout watching Ike opara play last weekend. MLS salaries were released today (https://mlsplayers.org/resources/salary-guide). He is on the equivalent of 5.6k pounds per week. I've mentioned him before but Paxton Pomykal would be a good young and affordable buy.
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Post by Kenny irons on Jun 12, 2019 17:21:05 GMT 1
I hope we take a punt on Ivan cavaleiro from wolves the lad is class at this level and can play anywhere across the front 3. If a rival manages to get him they have bought themself a gem at this level
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Post by nicovaesen on Jun 12, 2019 17:44:50 GMT 1
I hope we take a punt on Ivan cavaleiro from wolves the lad is class at this level and can play anywhere across the front 3. If a rival manages to get him they have bought themself a gem at this level That would be a coup and message sent out that we mean business |
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Post by basil on Jun 12, 2019 17:52:14 GMT 1
I hope we take a punt on Ivan cavaleiro from wolves the lad is class at this level and can play anywhere across the front 3. If a rival manages to get him they have bought themself a gem at this level Agreed, but because of our new wage structure it's the sort of deal that we're going to struggle with. |
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