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Post by footballfan12 on Jun 1, 2019 14:28:14 GMT 1
Hi Huddersfield fans, I’m a researcher at the University of York who is currently researching football fans’ experiences, views and opinions on the work of Kick It Out in tackling racism in English football. I have been in contact with moderators and they have granted me permission to post on this forum. I would encourage anyone interested in the current state of the English game to complete this short survey that should take you no longer than 10 minutes to complete: york.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eURBjYTg5SJpRuB Any responses you provide is anonymised and used solely for academic purposes. I will never ask for or record any information that might lead to forum members being identified (such as names, email addresses or IP addresses). Thank you for taking the time to read this post, I look forward to your views and opinions. |
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Post by wigster on Jun 1, 2019 15:51:44 GMT 1
Done - quick and easy to complete.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jun 1, 2019 16:40:20 GMT 1
Hi Huddersfield fans, I’m a researcher at the University of York who is currently researching football fans’ experiences, views and opinions on the work of Kick It Out in tackling racism in English football. I have been in contact with moderators and they have granted me permission to post on this forum. I would encourage anyone interested in the current state of the English game to complete this short survey that should take you no longer than 10 minutes to complete: york.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eURBjYTg5SJpRuB Any responses you provide is anonymised and used solely for academic purposes. I will never ask for or record any information that might lead to forum members being identified (such as names, email addresses or IP addresses). Thank you for taking the time to read this post, I look forward to your views and opinions. I've submitted the survey. It didn't take long and I'm happy to do it, but I would have liked you to ask what I think negatives are about kick it out. I don't like how they make isolated cases of ignorant individual fans into an endemic problem which reflects as an affliction with a whole clubs fans |
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Post by BlueValour on Jun 2, 2019 21:40:43 GMT 1
That's my view; they tend to blow up single incidents into a trend.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 2, 2019 22:39:41 GMT 1
If there are no chances to point out the obvious negatives of this programme up to now, then its not a survey that I wish to take part in..
avoiding the self proclaiming and often anecdotal 'evidence' might be a start..?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 3, 2019 0:41:41 GMT 1
That's my view; they tend to blow up single incidents into a trend. Its very much in their interests to portray football as riddled with racism. Their careers and livelihoods rely on it and they have the advantage that no club is ever going to say no to them and face the media storm that would bring. IMO football must be one of the least racist environments in UK society , but that doesn;t keep KIO in jobs. You can only go by your own experiences and I genuinely cannot remember the last time i heard an individual shout a racist comment at a Town game, never mind a group chant. Must be donkeys years ago. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jun 3, 2019 7:39:03 GMT 1
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 3, 2019 9:43:18 GMT 1
That's my view; they tend to blow up single incidents into a trend. Its very much in their interests to portray football as riddled with racism. Their careers and livelihoods rely on it and they have the advantage that no club is ever going to say no to them and face the media storm that would bring. IMO football must be one of the least racist environments in UK society , but that doesn;t keep KIO in jobs. You can only go by your own experiences and I genuinely cannot remember the last time i heard an individual shout a racist comment at a Town game, never mind a group chant. Must be donkeys years ago. I actually agree with a lot of this. However, I don’t have to think very hard to recall the last time I heard homophobic or sexist comments at a Town game. |
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Post by conman on Jun 3, 2019 11:58:26 GMT 1
That's my view; they tend to blow up single incidents into a trend. Its very much in their interests to portray football as riddled with racism. Their careers and livelihoods rely on it and they have the advantage that no club is ever going to say no to them and face the media storm that would bring. IMO football must be one of the least racist environments in UK society , but that doesn;t keep KIO in jobs. You can only go by your own experiences and I genuinely cannot remember the last time i heard an individual shout a racist comment at a Town game, never mind a group chant. Must be donkeys years ago. Maybe not the best use of the word donkey captain, but I totally agree with you.. Racism in my eyes is a age thing, and as more younger people come through the ranks, I think it will eventually almost cease.. My late mother had racist views, but I honestly think she'd be horrified if I'd have pointed it out to her. UK gold would go into complete meltdown if "Love thy neighbor" was ever aired, but programmes like that were totally acceptable by most in the 70s.. I too haven't heard any monkey chants, or the use of the "N" word for years at Town matches, which proves things are progressing, eventually.. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 3, 2019 13:44:44 GMT 1
Its very much in their interests to portray football as riddled with racism. Their careers and livelihoods rely on it and they have the advantage that no club is ever going to say no to them and face the media storm that would bring. IMO football must be one of the least racist environments in UK society , but that doesn;t keep KIO in jobs. You can only go by your own experiences and I genuinely cannot remember the last time i heard an individual shout a racist comment at a Town game, never mind a group chant. Must be donkeys years ago. Maybe not the best use of the word donkey captain, but I totally agree with you.. Racism in my eyes is a age thing, and as more younger people come through the ranks, I think it will eventually almost cease.. My late mother had racist views, but I honestly think she'd be horrified if I'd have pointed it out to her. UK gold would go into complete meltdown if "Love thy neighbor" was ever aired, but programmes like that were totally acceptable by most in the 70s.. I too haven't heard any monkey chants, or the use of the "N" word for years at Town matches, which proves things are progressing, eventually.. racism, homophobia etc is not not the property of the older generations.. its certainly not owned by white people or any race.. its still written in law both religious and civil in many countries around the world which are not run by anglo saxon, white, middle aged men. The numbers of middle aged to elderly people at rallies regarding race/religion and 'young peoples concerns' as a whole also defies the logic.. The numbers of younger people at certain other protests is more worrying.. |
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Post by 28901 on Jun 3, 2019 16:43:46 GMT 1
That's my view; they tend to blow up single incidents into a trend. Its very much in their interests to portray football as riddled with racism. Their careers and livelihoods rely on it and they have the advantage that no club is ever going to say no to them and face the media storm that would bring. IMO football must be one of the least racist environments in UK society , but that doesn;t keep KIO in jobs. You can only go by your own experiences and I genuinely cannot remember the last time i heard an individual shout a racist comment at a Town game, never mind a group chant. Must be donkeys years ago. I agree with all that, but surely that is a mark of how successful the campaign has been, despite being constantly maligned by many as PC gone mad?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 3, 2019 17:39:01 GMT 1
Its very much in their interests to portray football as riddled with racism. Their careers and livelihoods rely on it and they have the advantage that no club is ever going to say no to them and face the media storm that would bring. IMO football must be one of the least racist environments in UK society , but that doesn;t keep KIO in jobs. You can only go by your own experiences and I genuinely cannot remember the last time i heard an individual shout a racist comment at a Town game, never mind a group chant. Must be donkeys years ago. I agree with all that, but surely that is a mark of how successful the campaign has been, despite being constantly maligned by many as PC gone mad?
Guess that would be their argument ( KIO's ) . But isn't it just a natural progression ? Im old enough to remember black players being a real rarity, and racist comments and chants were pretty common place. Now black players are common in every team, even the majority sometimes and two thirds of clubs have had a black manager ,,,would that change have happened anyway? But Im thinking more to the here and now anyway. If KIO did serve a purpose in the past, Im not so sure they serve one now. Their endless campaign seems a bit too much about self- justification these days than tackling any genuine issue in the game IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 18:08:51 GMT 1
I agree with all that, but surely that is a mark of how successful the campaign has been, despite being constantly maligned by many as PC gone mad?
Guess that would be their argument ( KIO's ) . But isn't it just a natural progression ? Im old enough to remember black players being a real rarity, and racist comments and chants were pretty common place. Now black players are common in every team, even the majority sometimes and two thirds of clubs have had a black manager ,,,would that change have happened anyway? But Im thinking more to the here and now anyway. If KIO did serve a purpose in the past, Im not so sure they serve one now. Their endless campaign seems a bit too much about self- justification these days than tackling any genuine issue in the game IMO. It was literally only a couple of months ago that Town's name got dragged through the mud in the nationals, because some scrote who claimed to be a Town fan racially abused Billing via social media. I've never heard racial abuse at a Town game either, but let's not be naive and pretend it's not still an issue. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Jun 3, 2019 19:18:06 GMT 1
and two thirds of clubs have had a black manager I'd be interested in the source for that stat Captain and also the definition of "managers" & "clubs" in that context. I'm guessing it must be including caretakers to get that high. Given there only seems at any one time to be a handful from the 92 that seems strangely high. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 3, 2019 20:27:17 GMT 1
we have a problem with perceptions and the reporting of many things in society.. a small group at a football match shouting abuse becomes endemic and the game becomes 'riddled' with it etc..its an issue along with many, many others. The importance given to it in relation to many other issues in society might be part of a growing problem..?
most of us never hear it at town matches or at any other games here, clearly we are not deaf or deniers because we hear it abroad a lot...when we hear it we are as embarrased and annoyed as anyone else.. people are getting arrested and charged, its education the hard way. Obviously teaching in schools and from everywhere else and social pressure does not work on some, same as a load of other people who break the law..
maybe premier league football is more important than we ever thought.?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 3, 2019 22:49:06 GMT 1
Guess that would be their argument ( KIO's ) . But isn't it just a natural progression ? Im old enough to remember black players being a real rarity, and racist comments and chants were pretty common place. Now black players are common in every team, even the majority sometimes and two thirds of clubs have had a black manager ,,,would that change have happened anyway? But Im thinking more to the here and now anyway. If KIO did serve a purpose in the past, Im not so sure they serve one now. Their endless campaign seems a bit too much about self- justification these days than tackling any genuine issue in the game IMO. It was literally only a couple of months ago that Town's name got dragged through the mud in the nationals, because some scrote who claimed to be a Town fan racially abused Billing via social media. I've never heard racial abuse at a Town game either, but let's not be naive and pretend it's not still an issue. Think its unrealistic to think there won;t be isolated incidents at games. A football crowd is a reflection of society afterall, and maybe even more 'vulnerable' to an individual loudmouth's opinions given factors like drink and an acrimonious atmosphere. You'll get all sorts in a crowd and always will , basically. But don;t think the occasional isolated incident equates to the deeply rooted endemic issue with racism that KIO seem to go out of their way to portray the game as having. Almost 15.000.000 watched prem games last season and there were a small handful of incidents. Does that amount to an 'issue' ? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 3, 2019 22:52:57 GMT 1
Raheem Sterling nailed it to be fair to him
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 4, 2019 0:02:32 GMT 1
and two thirds of clubs have had a black manager I'd be interested in the source for that stat Captain and also the definition of "managers" & "clubs" in that context. I'm guessing it must be including caretakers to get that high. Given there only seems at any one time to be a handful from the 92 that seems strangely high. Just something I read thats stuck. I think it must include caretakers. For example Brian Stein did a stint at luton. Does seem high to be honest, though some clubs like Notts County and Macclesfield have had 3 or 4 black managers. |
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