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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 8:33:27 GMT 1
Love the way everybody is telling us how shit joshua is AFTER he got beat..20/20 hindsight🥴 He put ruiz down..then went in for the finish but got caught and never recovered.. Probably underestimated ruiz.. Hards as nails those mexican fookers.. Aj wins the rematch💪 Was saying it before. Gets put down by an aged Klitschko, who couldnt touch Fury and was more active at the time. Took too many shots, zero head movement and solely relied on his power punch. Has too much muscle, which makes him gas as can be seen his last few fights, he has stages of major gassing. Put him with a big puncher and a busier puncher, his chin isnt all that. 4 knockdowns, what you think thats going to do to him in future fights if he faces Wilder or Fury? I dont mind AJ, I prefer Fury as id watched him before AJ was anywhere near the scene and I think its brilliant what AJ has done for the UK as a whole on the boxing scene. But there are poster boys and then there are boxers |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 3, 2019 8:42:27 GMT 1
Love the way everybody is telling us how shit joshua is AFTER he got beat..20/20 hindsight🥴 He put ruiz down..then went in for the finish but got caught and never recovered.. Probably underestimated ruiz.. Hards as nails those mexican fookers.. Aj wins the rematch💪 Was saying it before. Gets put down by an aged Klitschko, who couldnt touch Fury and was more active at the time. Took too many shots, zero head movement and solely relied on his power punch. Has too much muscle, which makes him gas as can be seen his last few fights, he has stages of major gassing. Put him with a big puncher and a busier puncher, his chin isnt all that. 4 knockdowns, what you think thats going to do to him in future fights if he faces Wilder or Fury? I dont mind AJ, I prefer Fury as id watched him before AJ was anywhere near the scene and I think its brilliant what AJ has done for the UK as a whole on the boxing scene. But there are poster boys and then there are boxers Fury would toy and have a field day with Joshua, limited head movement, doesn't work his jab well enough and Fury is an expert at making people miss and swing wildly, Joshua would be gassed keeping up with Fury's pace. There's an interview somewhere where Hearn states Fury would be an awful fight for Joshua and that is why it's never really been rumoured as a potential fight. You only have to look at the Wilder fight which Fury won in the eyes of anyone who can score boxing, he took someone who is a knockout artist the distance making him miss and land nothing. FWIW Joshua V Wilder would be a battle of who can land the hardest punch first as it's been seen that Wilder doesn't have the greatest of chins either. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 8:49:33 GMT 1
Was saying it before. Gets put down by an aged Klitschko, who couldnt touch Fury and was more active at the time. Took too many shots, zero head movement and solely relied on his power punch. Has too much muscle, which makes him gas as can be seen his last few fights, he has stages of major gassing. Put him with a big puncher and a busier puncher, his chin isnt all that. 4 knockdowns, what you think thats going to do to him in future fights if he faces Wilder or Fury? I dont mind AJ, I prefer Fury as id watched him before AJ was anywhere near the scene and I think its brilliant what AJ has done for the UK as a whole on the boxing scene. But there are poster boys and then there are boxers Fury would toy and have a field day with Joshua, limited head movement, doesn't work his jab well enough and Fury is an expert at making people miss and swing wildly, Joshua would be gassed keeping up with Fury's pace. There's an interview somewhere where Hearn states Fury would be an awful fight for Joshua and that is why it's never really been rumoured as a potential fight. You only have to look at the Wilder fight which Fury won in the eyes of anyone who can score boxing, he took someone who is a knockout artist the distance making him miss and land nothing. FWIW Joshua V Wilder would be a battle of who can land the hardest punch first as it's been seen that Wilder doesn't have the greatest of chins either. Be interesting Wilder v Joshua, but id side with Wilder. Not the better boxer,but if that right lands flush, I cant see AJ surviving that. Not if hes put down so easily by Ruiz and Klitschko. Fury beat Wilder as everyone knows, he knows he hasnt knock out power, but that jab over 12 rounds ruins faces, ask Chisora, he had to stop it was that bad. He can float about the ring, make you miss and that itself drains you, it drained Wilder, imagine what would happen with Joshua and all that muscle. Styles make fights, its always been said. Ruiz was an awful one for Joshua and I said it when it was made. Hes rapid and is too busy for him. In my eyes Ruiz is still unbeaten. He has one loss and was massively robbed in New Zealand on points v Joseph Parker,even Parker knew he had lost. Then people thinking this was a walk in the park, might be the same ones that think the rematch will. I do think however Joshua will win it, he will be a lot more calculated in ways of a finish. He gets pulled into street fights, thats why he lost this. See how Fury does against Schwarz and it would just be absolutely typical that Wilder goes and loses to King Kong now. That would make me piss myself, chance to have all the belts on the line and poooof, theyre gone |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Jun 3, 2019 9:09:35 GMT 1
Love the way everybody is telling us how shit joshua is AFTER he got beat..20/20 hindsight🥴 He put ruiz down..then went in for the finish but got caught and never recovered.. Probably underestimated ruiz..Hards as nails those mexican fookers.. Aj wins the rematch💪 I think everybody did, he didn't look like a finely tuned athlete and I think AJ probably thought he would win inside 3 rounds, he won't make the same mistake next time. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 3, 2019 9:46:51 GMT 1
Fury would toy and have a field day with Joshua, limited head movement, doesn't work his jab well enough and Fury is an expert at making people miss and swing wildly, Joshua would be gassed keeping up with Fury's pace. There's an interview somewhere where Hearn states Fury would be an awful fight for Joshua and that is why it's never really been rumoured as a potential fight. You only have to look at the Wilder fight which Fury won in the eyes of anyone who can score boxing, he took someone who is a knockout artist the distance making him miss and land nothing. FWIW Joshua V Wilder would be a battle of who can land the hardest punch first as it's been seen that Wilder doesn't have the greatest of chins either. Be interesting Wilder v Joshua, but id side with Wilder. Not the better boxer,but if that right lands flush, I cant see AJ surviving that. Not if hes put down so easily by Ruiz and Klitschko. Fury beat Wilder as everyone knows, he knows he hasnt knock out power, but that jab over 12 rounds ruins faces, ask Chisora, he had to stop it was that bad. He can float about the ring, make you miss and that itself drains you, it drained Wilder, imagine what would happen with Joshua and all that muscle. Styles make fights, its always been said. Ruiz was an awful one for Joshua and I said it when it was made. Hes rapid and is too busy for him. In my eyes Ruiz is still unbeaten. He has one loss and was massively robbed in New Zealand on points v Joseph Parker,even Parker knew he had lost. Then people thinking this was a walk in the park, might be the same ones that think the rematch will. I do think however Joshua will win it, he will be a lot more calculated in ways of a finish. He gets pulled into street fights, thats why he lost this. See how Fury does against Schwarz and it would just be absolutely typical that Wilder goes and loses to King Kong now. That would make me piss myself, chance to have all the belts on the line and poooof, theyre gone If Ortiz was 5 years younger he'd of beaten Wilder last time round, he had him stunned and if Wilder did'nt land that late KO he would of been beaten on points. Ortiz has gone on to win 3 fights in a row since the Wilder loss and albeit he is 40 he is still a threat. I fully expect Wilder to win earlier on this time around due to his age but I wouldn't be surprised after the weekend we've had if there's another shock. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 9:54:34 GMT 1
Be interesting Wilder v Joshua, but id side with Wilder. Not the better boxer,but if that right lands flush, I cant see AJ surviving that. Not if hes put down so easily by Ruiz and Klitschko. Fury beat Wilder as everyone knows, he knows he hasnt knock out power, but that jab over 12 rounds ruins faces, ask Chisora, he had to stop it was that bad. He can float about the ring, make you miss and that itself drains you, it drained Wilder, imagine what would happen with Joshua and all that muscle. Styles make fights, its always been said. Ruiz was an awful one for Joshua and I said it when it was made. Hes rapid and is too busy for him. In my eyes Ruiz is still unbeaten. He has one loss and was massively robbed in New Zealand on points v Joseph Parker,even Parker knew he had lost. Then people thinking this was a walk in the park, might be the same ones that think the rematch will. I do think however Joshua will win it, he will be a lot more calculated in ways of a finish. He gets pulled into street fights, thats why he lost this. See how Fury does against Schwarz and it would just be absolutely typical that Wilder goes and loses to King Kong now. That would make me piss myself, chance to have all the belts on the line and poooof, theyre gone If Ortiz was 5 years younger he'd of beaten Wilder last time round, he had him stunned and if Wilder did'nt land that late KO he would of been beaten on points. Ortiz has gone on to win 3 fights in a row since the Wilder loss and albeit he is 40 he is still a threat. I fully expect Wilder to win earlier on this time around due to his age but I wouldn't be surprised after the weekend we've had if there's another shock. Ortiz is no doubt on the PEDs, hence turning Joshua down. Known for it. If Wilder wins it is esrly, goes past 5 or 6 and its game on. Be funny tbh if he does win, what happens then with them all. Fury would be laughing, should he dispose of Schwarz |
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Post by buckers on Jun 3, 2019 10:22:57 GMT 1
Said the same often. One dimensional...just big and powerful. Wilder would beat him easily. Probably Fury as well. Fury beats both and ive said this and got laughed at by Joshua fanboys. Fury has already beat Wilder, lets face it. He schools Joshua and would get under his skin in the build up. Danger man, Rivas who is fighting Whyte, dangerous man. I agree Fury is the number 1 in the division. |
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Post by buckers on Jun 3, 2019 10:31:32 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be surprised if Joshua flattens Ruiz in December over here. Rumours all over the shop about Joshua getting battered in sparring and wanting to pull out of the fight 2 weeks ago due to a virus.
Maybe the reason why Joshua’s dad was giving Hearn a right mouthful in the ring after the fight? To Joshua’s credit though he’s kept his mouth shut and taken it like a gentleman.
Don’t think we’ll see an undisputed champion for a while now. The WBO and IBF will likely call the mandatories if Eddie doesn’t pay a massive amount for them to sanction the rematch.
WBO - Usyk v Whyte (which is a cracking fight if Whyte can beat Rivas)
IBF - Pulev v ?
All Eddie Hearns nightmares have come true chasing the American dream.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 3, 2019 10:35:42 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be surprised if Joshua flattens Ruiz in December over here. Rumours all over the shop about Joshua getting battered in sparring and wanting to pull out of the fight 2 weeks ago due to a virus. Maybe the reason why Joshua’s dad was giving Hearn a right mouthful in the ring after the fight? To Joshua’s credit though he’s kept his mouth shut and taken it like a gentleman. Don’t think we’ll see an undisputed champion for a while now. The WBO and IBF will likely call the mandatories if Eddie doesn’t pay a massive amount for them to sanction the rematch. WBO - Usyk v Whyte (which is a cracking fight if Whyte can beat Rivas) IBF - Pulev v ? All Eddie Hearns nightmares have come true chasing the American dream. Said it before and i'll say it again, Usyk hasnt come to heavyweight to make up the numbers, the guys the real deal. If he can keep his speed from cruiser-weight into heavyweight he's a serious player. Would be a great fight him V Whyte. |
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Post by buckers on Jun 3, 2019 10:41:50 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be surprised if Joshua flattens Ruiz in December over here. Rumours all over the shop about Joshua getting battered in sparring and wanting to pull out of the fight 2 weeks ago due to a virus. Maybe the reason why Joshua’s dad was giving Hearn a right mouthful in the ring after the fight? To Joshua’s credit though he’s kept his mouth shut and taken it like a gentleman. Don’t think we’ll see an undisputed champion for a while now. The WBO and IBF will likely call the mandatories if Eddie doesn’t pay a massive amount for them to sanction the rematch. WBO - Usyk v Whyte (which is a cracking fight if Whyte can beat Rivas) IBF - Pulev v ? All Eddie Hearns nightmares have come true chasing the American dream. Said it before and i'll say it again, Usyk hasnt come to heavyweight to make up the numbers, the guys the real deal. If he can keep his speed from cruiser-weight into heavyweight he's a serious player. Would be a great fight him V Whyte. Watched him when he beat Joyce in the amatuers. Don’t think many will be calling him out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 11:18:05 GMT 1
Said it before and i'll say it again, Usyk hasnt come to heavyweight to make up the numbers, the guys the real deal. If he can keep his speed from cruiser-weight into heavyweight he's a serious player. Would be a great fight him V Whyte. Watched him when he beat Joyce in the amatuers. Don’t think many will be calling him out. Usyk is a dangermous man, the power isnt major for the heavyweight scene but he has a boxing IQ on a par, if not better than Fury. His footwork is special, you go for him thinking youve a gap to be had and before you know it, he has turned you round and youre in a corner asking yourself alot of questions. He needs to bed into the heavyweight scene and not jump straight in, he wont do that anyway. Few fights, he will box the head off Whyte, who will go brute force after being annoyed and Usyk would just pick him off. His chins good, so he could potentially go for Wilder. The most thought out fight is IF and its a big IF, he fights Fury. Some will say its boring, but it will be like the chess game of boxing. Watching a man think of a perfect move whilst being punched. That would be a special fight |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 3, 2019 11:26:55 GMT 1
Watched him when he beat Joyce in the amatuers. Don’t think many will be calling him out. Usyk is a dangermous man, the power isnt major for the heavyweight scene but he has a boxing IQ on a par, if not better than Fury. His footwork is special, you go for him thinking youve a gap to be had and before you know it, he has turned you round and youre in a corner asking yourself alot of questions. He needs to bed into the heavyweight scene and not jump straight in, he wont do that anyway. Few fights, he will box the head off Whyte, who will go brute force after being annoyed and Usyk would just pick him off. His chins good, so he could potentially go for Wilder. The most thought out fight is IF and its a big IF, he fights Fury. Some will say its boring, but it will be like the chess game of boxing. Watching a man think of a perfect move whilst being punched. That would be a special fight I'm not really a Joshua fan never have been I just can't warm to the guy and his 'humble' act. If he wasn't English i certainly wouldn't watch him wanting him to win. What would be great to see from a boxing perspective is Joshua put up against, Fury, Wilder and Usyk, then the neutral who are big AJ fans will see how good he truly is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 11:36:04 GMT 1
Usyk is a dangermous man, the power isnt major for the heavyweight scene but he has a boxing IQ on a par, if not better than Fury. His footwork is special, you go for him thinking youve a gap to be had and before you know it, he has turned you round and youre in a corner asking yourself alot of questions. He needs to bed into the heavyweight scene and not jump straight in, he wont do that anyway. Few fights, he will box the head off Whyte, who will go brute force after being annoyed and Usyk would just pick him off. His chins good, so he could potentially go for Wilder. The most thought out fight is IF and its a big IF, he fights Fury. Some will say its boring, but it will be like the chess game of boxing. Watching a man think of a perfect move whilst being punched. That would be a special fight I'm not really a Joshua fan never have been I just can't warm to the guy and his 'humble' act. If he wasn't English i certainly wouldn't watch him wanting him to win. What would be great to see from a boxing perspective is Joshua put up against, Fury, Wilder and Usyk, then the neutral who are big AJ fans will see how good he truly is. Boxing terms AJ is better than Wilder, but raw power he probably isnt. Be a good match up, the other two, theyre on different levels to anyone in that division |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 3, 2019 11:45:09 GMT 1
Joshua basically disrespected the guy, and those Mexicans can be fookers. Fury called it. He's no mug Ruiz.
He won't make the same mistake again Joshua (if he gets chance that is)
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 3, 2019 11:48:13 GMT 1
I'm not really a Joshua fan never have been I just can't warm to the guy and his 'humble' act. If he wasn't English i certainly wouldn't watch him wanting him to win. What would be great to see from a boxing perspective is Joshua put up against, Fury, Wilder and Usyk, then the neutral who are big AJ fans will see how good he truly is. Boxing terms AJ is better than Wilder, but raw power he probably isnt. Be a good match up, the other two, theyre on different levels to anyone in that division The unorthodox method Wilder boxes with stumbles everyone he faces (bar Fury even though he did get caught with a nasty one in 12th). If Joshua is tagged by one of his right hands its an early bed time for Joshua. |
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Post by buckers on Jun 3, 2019 12:37:43 GMT 1
Boxing terms AJ is better than Wilder, but raw power he probably isnt. Be a good match up, the other two, theyre on different levels to anyone in that division The unorthodox method Wilder boxes with stumbles everyone he faces (bar Fury even though he did get caught with a nasty one in 12th). If Joshua is tagged by one of his right hands its an early bed time for Joshua. The same could be said about wilder. If Joshua lands flush I think it’ll be goodnight for wilder. It’s a shoot out if they do ever fight now. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jun 3, 2019 12:43:26 GMT 1
I'd arsehole the lot of them. At the same time.
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Post by ponteterrier on Jun 3, 2019 13:18:58 GMT 1
Surely a thread for off topic?
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jun 3, 2019 13:37:12 GMT 1
Surely a thread for off topic? I bet you're fun at parties, it's the off season chill out. In regards to Ruiz he says he wants the rematch to be in Mexico, I hope he doesn't bow to Eddie Hearns conditions and fight in the UK. Get Joshua in Ruiz's back garden with a 20% purse, let the tables turn. Ruiz is the champ, go work for it. |
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Post by Amigo on Jun 3, 2019 15:28:00 GMT 1
The difference is it was for 3 world titles. You don't win them for being shit. t But is 2019 and you can. Like you can get a number 1 record with shite music. Boxing....the only sport gone backwards in my lifetime. Joshua no matter what you think of him as a fighter has beaten some of the best there is currently and offered fights to the others. The only one in the top 12 that hasn't had a massive pay day offered to them or he's fought is Pulev and he would beat him. |
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Post by Ninastian on Jun 3, 2019 16:01:28 GMT 1
Put him with a big puncher and a busier puncher, his chin isnt all that. 4 knockdowns, what you think thats going to do to him in future fights if he faces Wilder or Fury? Agreed, the weakness of Joshua's chin is the main thing I took out of this fight. There were always question marks about his chin but this is the fight that absolutely confirmed he doesn't have a good chin. Prior to the fight I didn't think a comparatively light puncher like Ruiz had enough power to stop AJ. Also, prior to this fight I would have picked Joshua to beat Fury for similar reasons, I thought Fury lacked the punching power to keep AJ off him for 12 rounds. Now I'd struggle to pick against Fury in that one. PS. The one fight mentioned in this thread that there's an absolute zero percent chance of an upset in is Fury vs Schwarz. Schwarz certainly isn't the level of a Ruiz. I wouldn't stay up late for that one. |
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Post by Amigo on Jun 3, 2019 19:54:30 GMT 1
Put him with a big puncher and a busier puncher, his chin isnt all that. 4 knockdowns, what you think thats going to do to him in future fights if he faces Wilder or Fury? Agreed, the weakness of Joshua's chin is the main thing I took out of this fight. There were always question marks about his chin but this is the fight that absolutely confirmed he doesn't have a good chin. Prior to the fight I didn't think a comparatively light puncher like Ruiz had enough power to stop AJ. Also, prior to this fight I would have picked Joshua to beat Fury for similar reasons, I thought Fury lacked the punching power to keep AJ off him for 12 rounds. Now I'd struggle to pick against Fury in that one. PS. The one fight mentioned in this thread that there's an absolute zero percent chance of an upset in is Fury vs Schwarz. Schwarz certainly isn't the level of a Ruiz. I wouldn't stay up late for that one. To be fair if anyone gets cracked like that behind the ear they're in trouble. I'm not saying he does have a great "chin" but pretty every boxer has said if you get a decent crack in that area you feel pretty drunk for a bit because you're completely off balance. After round 5 he's asking McCracken what round it is and after round 6 he's staring in to space with McCracken talking to him then asks him "why do I feel like this?" Clear signs he was still concussed from the third round. I don't think he quit at the end either he just didn't seem to know what was going on and didn't dare let go of the ropes. Something still didn't look right with him beforehand though and I honestly don't think it's complacency. Having to refrain his dad from getting at Eddie Hearn was very strange as well. I'm not a massive Joshua fan by the way either. I don't mind him but there are plenty of fighters I prefer I just think he gets a lot of unnecessary stick considering what he's achieved and who he has beaten. I'd love to know what was going on with Kelly as well before his fight because Adam Booth was not happy at all. Agree about the Fury Schwarz fight it's an absolute joke to be honest. Even on Boxrec (tends to be more reliable than go earning bodies for rankings) he was down at 60 odd when the fight was made and is still ranked the 7th best in Germany alone. |
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Post by Amigo on Jun 3, 2019 19:58:13 GMT 1
The unorthodox method Wilder boxes with stumbles everyone he faces (bar Fury even though he did get caught with a nasty one in 12th). If Joshua is tagged by one of his right hands its an early bed time for Joshua. The same could be said about wilder. If Joshua lands flush I think it’ll be goodnight for wilder. It’s a shoot out if they do ever fight now. It would still be by far the most exciting fight. Fury is the best boxer definitely but personally at heavyweight I want to see excitement and the possibility of a fight turning in a split second. Wilder whilst being technically poor is probably the most exciting fighter in the world due to the fact he can take anyone out in that split second, Joshua is exciting because he can do similar but also has a vulnerable side. God knows when we could see that fight at the moment though. |
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Post by town1907 on Jun 4, 2019 17:58:46 GMT 1
Rematch later this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 18:09:11 GMT 1
If he focuses on whats in front of him and doesnt get dropped in sparring prior, he will win. But the problem is, if he gets too involved in a fight, Ruiz will ruin him again, thats his game. Use the jab and reach effectively and yes he will win. Get involved and get brave in a dog fight and its curtains. The question is that chin. All the muscle in the world, you cant put muscles on a chin. His legs sometimes look like they cant hold his weight when he gets rocked flush. |
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