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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jun 2, 2019 6:44:23 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 7:53:21 GMT 1
Casuals will blow smoke up Joshuas arse.
Fat he may look, he moves like a middleweight and has rapid hands, durable and probably the worst match up for AJ.
Never judge a boxer by their appearance, it amuses me when folk do.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 2, 2019 8:23:02 GMT 1
What an upset! I don't think I've ever seen a more unathletic looking Mexican in the ring. Co-commentator on DAZN likened Ruiz to windfall fruit before the match up (words which he apologized for after the bout), and I have to say looking at the two physiques it only seemed a matter of time before Joshua would pick him off. He missed a couple of good chances (round 2 straight left jab which had Ruiz reeling wasn't followed up by a right hook - had me initially thinking that Joshua wanted to showboat and prolong the fight).
Still, first Mexican world heavyweight champion. Joshua showed great sportsmanship in his congratulory words for Ruiz, but won't be as sloppy in the rematch.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 2, 2019 8:25:59 GMT 1
People always underestimate the Mexicans.
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Post by ambryboy on Jun 2, 2019 8:52:44 GMT 1
Should have built a wall to keep the Mexican's out!
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jun 2, 2019 8:53:53 GMT 1
1) Mexicans are always great body shot boxers - yet Joshua seemed unprepared
2) Joshua kept boxing at Ruiz's arm length
3) Joshua didn't use his height advantage
4) days before the bout Joshua had swollen eyes - no way would they risk anything by sparring so physical close to a fight
5) Joshua was smiling and being very humble and media friendly after the loss - didn't look upset or disappointed.
What's going on... Anyone would think this was planned.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 2, 2019 9:04:33 GMT 1
Boxing is the easiest of sports for corruption. But genuinely cannot see any financial gain for losing this his unbeatability was a pot of gold and put him in the driving seat for price per fight
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 2, 2019 9:14:50 GMT 1
Boxing is natural talent and hand-speed. Joshua, like Bruno has neither.
AJ, worth $100 million from ducking fighters.
Ruiz worth less than a mill and will have had a thousand folk waiting for a handout.
Shame i missed the 16/1....i could see it happening but did not really consider it having seen the shape Ruiz was in.
AJ did not want any more at the 7th. Heart important too.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jun 2, 2019 9:22:56 GMT 1
Boxing is natural talent and hand-speed. Joshua, like Bruno has neither. AJ, worth $100 million from ducking fighters. Ruiz worth less than a mill and will have had a thousand folk waiting for a handout. Shame i missed the 16/1....i could see it happening but did not really consider it having seen the shape Ruiz was in. AJ did not want any more at the 7th. Heart important too. A school yard fight. One wanting to pick shots and dismantle his opponent, the other goes in windmilling and not giving them two seconds to come up with a plan. Still think Joshuas camp wanted the loss. |
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Post by terriers321 on Jun 2, 2019 12:47:51 GMT 1
Boxing is natural talent and hand-speed. Joshua, like Bruno has neither. AJ, worth $100 million from ducking fighters. Ruiz worth less than a mill and will have had a thousand folk waiting for a handout. Shame i missed the 16/1....i could see it happening but did not really consider it having seen the shape Ruiz was in. AJ did not want any more at the 7th. Heart important too. A school yard fight. One wanting to pick shots and dismantle his opponent, the other goes in windmilling and not giving them two seconds to come up with a plan. Still think Joshuas camp wanted the loss. Not a chance. What would they gain from that? They'll of wanted the win to build the AJ and the matchroom brand with the Yanks. His game plans going to be on point for the rematch over here. You can very quickly go from Hero to Zero in heavyweight boxing. Big learning curve for him, he lost to the better man on the day. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jun 2, 2019 13:00:26 GMT 1
A school yard fight. One wanting to pick shots and dismantle his opponent, the other goes in windmilling and not giving them two seconds to come up with a plan. Still think Joshuas camp wanted the loss. Not a chance. What would they gain from that? They'll of wanted the win to build the AJ and the matchroom brand with the Yanks. His game plans going to be on point for the rematch over here. You can very quickly go from Hero to Zero in heavyweight boxing. Big learning curve for him, he lost to the better man on the day. There's an arguement that they wanted him to get a beating and a loss, that it would make him a better fighter and more hungry. Give him the experience of the knock-downs. He had been training getting knocked down, hence the training with the marines and the heavy sparring before the fight (a big no no normally). Better to taste failure and hate it, use it to fuel you in the really big fights against people who won't give you a second chance. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jun 2, 2019 13:04:26 GMT 1
Boxing is the easiest of sports for corruption. But genuinely cannot see any financial gain for losing this his unbeatability was a pot of gold and put him in the driving seat for price per fight With the odds involved in a two horse race there could easily be some truth in the rumours |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 2, 2019 13:06:30 GMT 1
Boxing is the easiest of sports for corruption. But genuinely cannot see any financial gain for losing this his unbeatability was a pot of gold and put him in the driving seat for price per fight With the odds involved in a two horse race there could easily be some truth in the rumours How much do you think you would be able to get on at the odds ? Then compare it to the amount of dough the Joshua camp could lose from this ? There is just no comparison |
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Post by buckers on Jun 2, 2019 13:30:32 GMT 1
In the build up Ruiz trainer said he’d seen holes in Joshua’s style and that ‘Andy has to let his hands go when joshua throws his combinations’ such a simple yet affective tactic when you can punch and have fast hands.
Joshua’s stamina issues and none existent head movement finally caught up with him.
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Post by thrice on Jun 2, 2019 13:52:17 GMT 1
Fair play to Ruiz.
Joshua takes a loss, so what.
Something was seriously wrong for him to gas so bad again though!
He will be back & the heavyweight division is red hot.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 2, 2019 13:55:17 GMT 1
Strange performance from Joshua to say the least, something just didn't look right, during or after the fight.
During the fight you would have expected him to want to make a statement after what Wilder did and the opportunities were there early on but he seemed far more reluctant than usual. He can look robotic because of his size but not like last night. He's shown plenty of heart before when knocked down or hurt and yes he kept getting back up but he'd had enough you could see it in his eyes and everything afterwards just looked oddly like a relieved man. Big fighters tend to disappear for weeks even a couple of months after a defeat but I've seen about 7 different interviews with him and in each one he looks calmer than he's ever looked.
Maybe it's a mixture of pressure, the ridiculous wealth he has now that his heart isn't in it or there was something funny going on but something wasn't right. As has been mentioned the sudden injury a few days ago was weird as well.
Don't agree with the ducking comment at all. Wilder was offered more money than he's ever seen and he's fought Klitschko, Whyte, Povetkin, Parker, Brezeale now Ruiz, add in known offers to Wilder, Fury and Miller and he's fought or challenged 9 of the other top 12 in the world. Hardly a ducker.
Full credit to Ruiz though, took his opportunity brilliantly and gave everything he had. Full credit to both men as well for winning and losing in the right way.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jun 2, 2019 13:58:39 GMT 1
In the build up Ruiz trainer said he’d seen holes in Joshua’s style and that ‘Andy has to let his hands go when joshua throws his combinations’ such a simple yet affective tactic when you can punch and have fast hands. Joshua’s stamina issues and none existent head movement finally caught up with him. Having only watched the highlights it quite surprising how quickly AJ seems to run out of steam. The first knockdown particularly appeared to knock the wind out of him. I know it's a bit of a cliche but in a roundabout way this could be exactly what his career needed. |
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Post by Amigo on Jun 2, 2019 13:58:39 GMT 1
Fair play to Ruiz. Joshua takes a loss, so what. Something was seriously wrong for him to gas so bad again though! He will be back & the heavyweight division is red hot. Good point about losing. Before Mayweather a loss was a loss, now it seems to be the be all and end all. It isn't. Apart from Mayweather (who had a fantastic ability to fight fighters at the right time) all great fighters lost at some point and it's probably why it seemed easier to make big fights because you didn't have them so scared of losing their "0". |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 2, 2019 14:18:24 GMT 1
Fair play to Ruiz. Joshua takes a loss, so what. Something was seriously wrong for him to gas so bad again though! He will be back & the heavyweight division is red hot. Good point about losing. Before Mayweather a loss was a loss, now it seems to be the be all and end all. It isn't. Apart from Mayweather (who had a fantastic ability to fight fighters at the right time) all great fighters lost at some point and it's probably why it seemed easier to make big fights because you didn't have them so scared of losing their "0". Not so...look at the record of anyone who made it to the top the last 20 years. You have to stay unbeaten to get a good payday. Thats why everyone's first dozen fights are 4 rounders against guys with big fat zeros on their win record. One fight a year tops....one big payday makes 10 years of work worthwhile. Get two early defeats and its hard to come back. They dont avoid each other by choice...the promoters/managers do that. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 2, 2019 14:20:32 GMT 1
Ruiz got £5.5 mill for the AJ fight. If he had fought Takam or Bellew he would have got £100k tops...see the difference? Stay undefeated....no matter how shit you are.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 2, 2019 14:38:37 GMT 1
Good point about losing. Before Mayweather a loss was a loss, now it seems to be the be all and end all. It isn't. Apart from Mayweather (who had a fantastic ability to fight fighters at the right time) all great fighters lost at some point and it's probably why it seemed easier to make big fights because you didn't have them so scared of losing their "0". Not so...look at the record of anyone who made it to the top the last 20 years. You have to stay unbeaten to get a good payday. Thats why everyone's first dozen fights are 4 rounders against guys with big fat zeros on their win record. One fight a year tops....one big payday makes 10 years of work worthwhile. Get two early defeats and its hard to come back. They dont avoid each other by choice...the promoters/managers do that. Pacquiao lost 2 fights in his first 4 years. Hopkins lost his first fight. Donaire lost his 2nd fight. Marquez lost his first fight. Haye got stopped and was unified within 2 years. Lomachenko got beat after a couple of fights. When I said "they" I didn't necessarily mean the fighters although it is true for a lot of them, you can look up and down the divisions and see fighters that take the easier route. But yes the management and promoters do it as well which sort of backs my point about protecting the "0". They fight 4 rounders to build experience it's common sense, you're not going to throw them straight in to a 12 rounder with a title holder I don't understand your point there? It's like a 17 year old coming through at town you'd expect him to make some sub appearances and the odd start before being a regular. |
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Post by Amigo on Jun 2, 2019 14:40:19 GMT 1
Ruiz got £5.5 mill for the AJ fight. If he had fought Takam or Bellew he would have got £100k tops...see the difference? Stay undefeated....no matter how shit you are. The difference is it was for 3 world titles. You don't win them for being shit. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 3, 2019 0:21:32 GMT 1
Not so...look at the record of anyone who made it to the top the last 20 years. You have to stay unbeaten to get a good payday. Thats why everyone's first dozen fights are 4 rounders against guys with big fat zeros on their win record. One fight a year tops....one big payday makes 10 years of work worthwhile. Get two early defeats and its hard to come back. They dont avoid each other by choice...the promoters/managers do that. Pacquiao lost 2 fights in his first 4 years. Hopkins lost his first fight. Donaire lost his 2nd fight. Marquez lost his first fight. Haye got stopped and was unified within 2 years. Lomachenko got beat after a couple of fights. When I said "they" I didn't necessarily mean the fighters although it is true for a lot of them, you can look up and down the divisions and see fighters that take the easier route. But yes the management and promoters do it as well which sort of backs my point about protecting the "0". They fight 4 rounders to build experience it's common sense, you're not going to throw them straight in to a 12 rounder with a title holder I don't understand your point there? It's like a 17 year old coming through at town you'd expect him to make some sub appearances and the odd start before being a regular. Nope...six maybe 7 years a pro and most are still fighting men with zero wins. Unlike Tyson who was fighting monthly against guys with good records immediately. 19 fights in his first year aged 19....and lost none. Berbick, Ribalta, Smith aged 20. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 3, 2019 0:23:46 GMT 1
Ruiz got £5.5 mill for the AJ fight. If he had fought Takam or Bellew he would have got £100k tops...see the difference? Stay undefeated....no matter how shit you are. The difference is it was for 3 world titles. You don't win them for being shit. t But is 2019 and you can. Like you can get a number 1 record with shite music. Boxing....the only sport gone backwards in my lifetime. |
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Post by Spike24 on Jun 3, 2019 4:57:11 GMT 1
Boxing is natural talent and hand-speed. Joshua, like Bruno has neither. AJ, worth $100 million from ducking fighters. Ruiz worth less than a mill and will have had a thousand folk waiting for a handout. Shame i missed the 16/1....i could see it happening but did not really consider it having seen the shape Ruiz was in. AJ did not want any more at the 7th. Heart important too. AJ cant box hes got a maximum of 4 punches never once thrown a body shot or mixed low to high or played a counter punchers game. He cant fight on the back foot or and under any pressure tries powering his way out of it leaving himself massively exposed Hes exactly the same in every fight a 1 trick pony who will always be exposed by a decent boxer. |
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Post by town1907 on Jun 3, 2019 7:30:14 GMT 1
Boxing is natural talent and hand-speed. Joshua, like Bruno has neither. AJ, worth $100 million from ducking fighters. Ruiz worth less than a mill and will have had a thousand folk waiting for a handout. Shame i missed the 16/1....i could see it happening but did not really consider it having seen the shape Ruiz was in. AJ did not want any more at the 7th. Heart important too. AJ cant box hes got a maximum of 4 punches never once thrown a body shot or mixed low to high or played a counter punchers game. He cant fight on the back foot or and under any pressure tries powering his way out of it leaving himself massively exposed Hes exactly the same in every fight a 1 trick pony who will always be exposed by a decent boxer. DEONTAY WILDER 10.8% MIKEY GARCIA 13.8% GENNADY GOLOVKIN 14.4% BJ SAUNDERS 14.4% VASIYIL LOMACHENKO 17.0% TERENCE CRAWFORD 21.0% OLEKSANDR USYK 21.3% ANTHONY JOSHUA 22.7% |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 3, 2019 7:57:33 GMT 1
Those facts disprove the prior statement, but there's no denying that Joshua is robotic and linear. It had been enough prior to Sat and may again in the future..
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jun 3, 2019 7:58:03 GMT 1
Boxing is natural talent and hand-speed. Joshua, like Bruno has neither. AJ, worth $100 million from ducking fighters. Ruiz worth less than a mill and will have had a thousand folk waiting for a handout. Shame i missed the 16/1....i could see it happening but did not really consider it having seen the shape Ruiz was in. AJ did not want any more at the 7th. Heart important too. AJ cant box hes got a maximum of 4 punches never once thrown a body shot or mixed low to high or played a counter punchers game. He cant fight on the back foot or and under any pressure tries powering his way out of it leaving himself massively exposed Hes exactly the same in every fight a 1 trick pony who will always be exposed by a decent boxer. Said the same often. One dimensional...just big and powerful. Wilder would beat him easily. Probably Fury as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 8:02:58 GMT 1
AJ cant box hes got a maximum of 4 punches never once thrown a body shot or mixed low to high or played a counter punchers game. He cant fight on the back foot or and under any pressure tries powering his way out of it leaving himself massively exposed Hes exactly the same in every fight a 1 trick pony who will always be exposed by a decent boxer. Said the same often. One dimensional...just big and powerful. Wilder would beat him easily. Probably Fury as well. Fury beats both and ive said this and got laughed at by Joshua fanboys. Fury has already beat Wilder, lets face it. He schools Joshua and would get under his skin in the build up. Danger man, Rivas who is fighting Whyte, dangerous man. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jun 3, 2019 8:27:59 GMT 1
Love the way everybody is telling us how shit joshua is AFTER he got beat..20/20 hindsight🥴
He put ruiz down..then went in for the finish but got caught and never recovered..
Probably underestimated ruiz..
Hards as nails those mexican fookers..
Aj wins the rematch💪
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