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Post by The-Crab on Jun 29, 2019 21:29:15 GMT 1
Sorry if this has been put up before, I haven't been on much off season. Chirs Powell talks about his managerial career and about his time at Town at 26:28 soundcloud.com/ntt20pod/ntt20-pod-meets-chris-powell-part-twoSpeaks pretty highly about his time there, odd saying we needed to sell Butterfield because we needed the money, which wasn't true. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jun 30, 2019 7:33:00 GMT 1
We sold alot of people under Powell to make money.
At the time I thought he was treat quite harshly but alas it was all for the greater good.
He's a good man and did okay at Town but we were proven right moving him on....
I didn't agree at the time.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 30, 2019 10:40:52 GMT 1
Yes had sympathy for him when he was sacked.
Came out later that maybe the club weren't too happy with him in terms of his commitment and the time he spent down south etc, but think the main reason he got the chop was fan pressure and the fear many were unlikely to renew season cards.
People cited boring football but I didn;t agree with that.
We created a lot of chances in most games, just didn;t take them.
I didn;t think the football was boring under Powell. The situation we were in was though- of endless relegation fights with no obvious sign that would improve. It took something very special to break that cycle and Powell wasn't about to provide it.
Think for many it boils down to- losing football = boring football, and winning football = exciting football ,and that was well illustrated with the difference in perception between Powell and Wagner.
But either way, it proved to be a good decision because of what came after him, theres no question about that.
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Post by ACW on Jun 30, 2019 13:42:19 GMT 1
Yes had sympathy for him when he was sacked. Came out later that maybe the club weren't too happy with him in terms of his commitment and the time he spent down south etc, but think the main reason he got the chop was fan pressure and the fear many were unlikely to renew season cards. People cited boring football but I didn;t agree with that. We created a lot of chances in most games, just didn;t take them. I didn;t think the football was boring under Powell. The situation we were in was though- of endless relegation fights with no obvious sign that would improve. It took something very special to break that cycle and Powell wasn't about to provide it. Think for many it boils down to- losing football = boring football, and winning football = exciting football ,and that was well illustrated with the difference in perception between Powell and Wagner. But either way, it proved to be a good decision because of what came after him, theres no question about that. For me boring football is boring football, irrespective of the result. Much of the footie we played under Powell was dour, defensive and downright mind numbing. And that was when we got results as well as when we lost. He did have us playing some decent stuff at times, and often against the better sides, but more often than not it was dour stuff. It's all about opinions, but I wasn't entertained too much during Powell's tenure. I did enjoy Wagner's football in the main though, even though we didn't score too many. We used to dominate the ball and look to control games. Perhaps we could have done more with it in the final third, but at least we had it to try. Under Powell I remember plenty of games where we sat back and simply launched the ball upfield. Some might enjoy that sort of footie, but I don't. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 30, 2019 14:40:45 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell.
Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? )
But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting.
Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jun 30, 2019 15:07:59 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell. Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? ) But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting. Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere. Totally agree. I saw far more ‘exciting’ Games under Powell than Wagner but not the sophisticated strategy and winning habit which made too many of the games less meaningful. |
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2019 15:09:03 GMT 1
Yes had sympathy for him when he was sacked. Came out later that maybe the club weren't too happy with him in terms of his commitment and the time he spent down south etc, but think the main reason he got the chop was fan pressure and the fear many were unlikely to renew season cards. People cited boring football but I didn;t agree with that. We created a lot of chances in most games, just didn;t take them. I didn;t think the football was boring under Powell. The situation we were in was though- of endless relegation fights with no obvious sign that would improve. It took something very special to break that cycle and Powell wasn't about to provide it. Think for many it boils down to- losing football = boring football, and winning football = exciting football ,and that was well illustrated with the difference in perception between Powell and Wagner. But either way, it proved to be a good decision because of what came after him, theres no question about that. For me boring football is boring football, irrespective of the result. Much of the footie we played under Powell was dour, defensive and downright mind numbing. And that was when we got results as well as when we lost. He did have us playing some decent stuff at times, and often against the better sides, but more often than not it was dour stuff. It's all about opinions, but I wasn't entertained too much during Powell's tenure. I did enjoy Wagner's football in the main though, even though we didn't score too many. We used to dominate the ball and look to control games. Perhaps we could have done more with it in the final third, but at least we had it to try. Under Powell I remember plenty of games where we sat back and simply launched the ball upfield. Some might enjoy that sort of footie, but I don't. His use of Joe Lolley summed him up. An exciting, young talent given 2 minutes at the end of games. He was overly defensive minded and his weird 4-4-2 without a left winger didn't make any sense. I was bored during matches. The one that really stands out was a 2-0 loss at home to Rotherham. They went 2 up and then had a man sent off at 70 minutes. We barely managed an attack for the rest of the game. We didn't look close to scoring against a relegation zone side. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jun 30, 2019 15:29:52 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell. Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? ) But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting. Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere. Not debating the entertainment factor, as that's subjective. However, what you consider 'meaningless' may be not actually have been meaningless, just you (and I) are armchair managers, so our tactical nouse only goes so far. |
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Post by ACW on Jun 30, 2019 16:02:27 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell. Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? ) But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting. Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere. I'd rather watch conservative passing football than conservative hoofing football any day of the week. The fact the atmosphere improved under Wagner was primarily down to results, but also because the quality of football improved massively. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 16:05:15 GMT 1
Think we dodged a bullet when we sacked Powell. It could have gone very wrong. When you consider he is as only allowed to buy Lge 1 players maybe even Lge 2 players and lose Butterfields and Cody who we signed for peanuts but 12 months later left for a combined £8 million or thereabouts. Yet we got possibly the best manager Town have had since Herbert Chapman. It could have. Even an almighty fuck up but thanfully wasn't.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 30, 2019 22:50:16 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell. Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? ) But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting. Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere. I'd rather watch conservative passing football than conservative hoofing football any day of the week. The fact the atmosphere improved under Wagner was primarily down to results, but also because the quality of football improved massively. Quality of football in the technical side certainly did, but not in terms of 'get you off your seat' moments.. chances..shots..goals IMO. Powells struggling team at the bottom end of the table in his one (almost ) full season in charge actually scored more goals than wagners that went up. The excitement was in the results and the league table IMO, and conversely the dullness was in the same for Powell. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 1, 2019 9:13:56 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell. Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? ) But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting. Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere. Not debating the entertainment factor, as that's subjective. However, what you consider 'meaningless' may be not actually have been meaningless, just you (and I) are armchair managers, so our tactical nouse only goes so far. Milton Keynes, Tuesday night at home. We won 2 0, but driving back to York I wondered why Id bothered going to the game and whether I was really doing it to catch up with my mates. |
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Post by terrierneil on Jul 1, 2019 9:31:40 GMT 1
I'd rather watch conservative passing football than conservative hoofing football any day of the week. The fact the atmosphere improved under Wagner was primarily down to results, but also because the quality of football improved massively. Quality of football in the technical side certainly did, but not in terms of 'get you off your seat' moments.. chances..shots..goals IMO. Powells struggling team at the bottom end of the table in his one (almost ) full season in charge actually scored more goals than wagners that went up. The excitement was in the results and the league table IMO, and conversely the dullness was in the same for Powell. Wow, that is a surprising stat! |
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 1, 2019 11:28:28 GMT 1
Not debating the entertainment factor, as that's subjective. However, what you consider 'meaningless' may be not actually have been meaningless, just you (and I) are armchair managers, so our tactical nouse only goes so far. Milton Keynes, Tuesday night at home. We won 2 0, but driving back to York I wondered why Id bothered going to the game and whether I was really doing it to catch up with my mates. Personally (and I realise it's subjective) I enjoyed the one goal victories. It is the only season that I have watched Town where once we're a goal up I thought it was 90% certain we would win. I was only slightly less certain that we wouldn't score again! But I enjoyed how Town closed it out. And if we were drawing with 10 minutes to go, if there was to be a winner, it would only be Town. Wigan A, Derby H, Rotherham A, Barnsley H for example. Burton H was an exception, but Burton A followed the trend. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 1, 2019 14:38:26 GMT 1
Milton Keynes, Tuesday night at home. We won 2 0, but driving back to York I wondered why Id bothered going to the game and whether I was really doing it to catch up with my mates. Personally (and I realise it's subjective) I enjoyed the one goal victories. It is the only season that I have watched Town where once we're a goal up I thought it was 90% certain we would win. I was only slightly less certain that we wouldn't score again! But I enjoyed how Town closed it out. And if we were drawing with 10 minutes to go, if there was to be a winner, it would only be Town. Wigan A, Derby H, Rotherham A, Barnsley H for example. Burton H was an exception, but Burton A followed the trend. Absolutely, to me wagner brought a good brand of football, even a nil nil was better to watch than that MK match. The fact we often used to switch from a high press to a team that looked to catch them on the break once we were ahead was still worth watching even if it didn't result in more goals. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 1, 2019 19:55:52 GMT 1
Thought his style of football was quite good. We saw a lot worse last season.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 1, 2019 23:01:08 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell. Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? ) But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting. Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere. I have said this before Slapps....i really respect you as a poster....until it comes to footy. Powell was woeful. Wagner a breath of fresh air. Wagner is not the Messiah, Powell was a mess. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 1, 2019 23:04:53 GMT 1
For me , How time was 4.45 on a Tuesday when fred dineage , jack hargreaves, Susan stranks and that weird jon guy joined the party
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 23:10:20 GMT 1
I found most of wagners football duller than it had been under powell. Solid at the back and lots of meaningless possession, but very few chances being created ( perhaps more of a 'purists' sort of game? ) But i didn;t care because we were winning. The league table made it exciting. Also the near to full houses that the reduced prices brought added to the excitement and atmosphere. I have said this before Slapps....i really respect you as a poster....until it comes to footy. Powell was woeful. Wagner a breath of fresh air. Wagner is not the Messiah, Powell was a mess. I disagree Oti, Powell was the Messiah.  |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 1, 2019 23:14:35 GMT 1
Very clever Codds.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 1, 2019 23:15:03 GMT 1
Controversial at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 23:21:17 GMT 1
Controversial at the time. Confession time, (deliberate pun) never actually watched it. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 1, 2019 23:30:10 GMT 1
Didn't he nearly die filming that? Sure i remember some story of him almost copping it on the cross.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 23:37:58 GMT 1
Didn't he nearly die filming that? Sure i remember some story of him almost copping it on the cross. It's all in here Cap. Powells Suffering |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 2, 2019 15:39:36 GMT 1
Didn't he nearly die filming that? Sure i remember some story of him almost copping it on the cross. He did die but was resurrected. |
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Post by deadleg on Jul 2, 2019 21:00:51 GMT 1
Didn't he nearly die filming that? Sure i remember some story of him almost copping it on the cross. He did die but was resurrected. Spoilers  |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 2, 2019 21:21:02 GMT 1
He did die but was resurrected. Spoilers Don't get cross. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 3, 2019 11:52:15 GMT 1
Am I the only one who, genuinely, can't remember anything about Powells reign. I can't remember who we played, how we played or even who played for us under him.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 3, 2019 11:56:29 GMT 1
Didn't he nearly die filming that? Sure i remember some story of him almost copping it on the cross. It's all in here Cap. Powells SufferingPreferred him in The Detectives tbh |
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 3, 2019 18:29:15 GMT 1
Am I the only one who, genuinely, can't remember anything about Powells reign. I can't remember who we played, how we played or even who played for us under him. That period is a bit of a blur. I remember a game or two early on in Powell's reign where I thought I could see tactically what he was trying to change/ instill, and I remember being excited. Then a few months afterwards it settled into continuous painfully depressing forgettable football (similar to last season). It's a game of opinions but for me (our goals scored aside) I never creamed myself over a brilliant passage of play capped off with a great effort/goal because that just didn't happen under him. By contrast, in Wagner's first full season, some of the football we played was a breath of fresh air to watch, as well as being extremely effective, plus, aside from the odd game, as supporters, we knew we'd be entertained - this lasted until Spurs at home in our first PL season, when everything changed and reverted to continuous painfully depressing forgettable football again. |
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