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Post by shawsie on Jul 12, 2019 10:46:47 GMT 1
well said shawsie as usuall a sensible replyto thispost. some on here are just looking for things that are not there and to be honest bugger all to do with them People are interested because it’s OUR football club, not some random business. Dean Hoyle and Phil Hodgkinson etc whilst owners are merely transient custodians, looking after it for us. Ask them, they’ll agree. I don't think anyone would disagree about that - but I think some of the knee jerk reactions to signings...or lack of, debentures, how much money PH has or hasn't need to be seen for what they are............knee jerk reactions. The club is now in its best financial position in my lifetime and even having been relegated up there with the best its been on it also - its now up to PH and the team on and off the pitch to continue and make it even better. What wont help them is knee jerk reactions which only provoke anger and more mud slinging. Hey ho though...........its only my opinion I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 11:02:05 GMT 1
People are interested because it’s OUR football club, not some random business. Dean Hoyle and Phil Hodgkinson etc whilst owners are merely transient custodians, looking after it for us. Ask them, they’ll agree. I don't think anyone would disagree about that - but I think some of the knee jerk reactions to signings...or lack of, debentures, how much money PH has or hasn't need to be seen for what they are............knee jerk reactions. The club is now in its best financial position in my lifetime and even having been relegated up there with the best its been on it also - its now up to PH and the team on and off the pitch to continue and make it even better. What wont help them is knee jerk reactions which only provoke anger and more mud slinging. Hey ho though...........its only my opinion I suppose. 100% agree. But surely we shouldn’t just shut down all opinion and conjecture simply because a few voices throw in a bit of knee jerk ridiculousness in amongst what are otherwise worthwhile discussions to have? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 11:30:35 GMT 1
People are interested because it’s OUR football club, not some random business. Dean Hoyle and Phil Hodgkinson etc whilst owners are merely transient custodians, looking after it for us. Ask them, they’ll agree. I don't think anyone would disagree about that - but I think some of the knee jerk reactions to signings...or lack of, debentures, how much money PH has or hasn't need to be seen for what they are............knee jerk reactions. The club is now in its best financial position in my lifetime and even having been relegated up there with the best its been on it also - its now up to PH and the team on and off the pitch to continue and make it even better. What wont help them is knee jerk reactions which only provoke anger and more mud slinging. Hey ho though...........its only my opinion I suppose. well its a opinion I share and well said. the club are working hard behind the scenes to build a squad to compete and that's what all of us should do support them because it will be a real challenge this season |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 12, 2019 11:34:44 GMT 1
People are interested because it’s OUR football club, not some random business. Dean Hoyle and Phil Hodgkinson etc whilst owners are merely transient custodians, looking after it for us. Ask them, they’ll agree. I don't think anyone would disagree about that - but I think some of the knee jerk reactions to signings...or lack of, debentures, how much money PH has or hasn't need to be seen for what they are............knee jerk reactions. The club is now in its best financial position in my lifetime and even having been relegated up there with the best its been on it also - its now up to PH and the team on and off the pitch to continue and make it even better. What wont help them is knee jerk reactions which only provoke anger and more mud slinging. Hey ho though...........its only my opinion I suppose. I think people are questioning if I deed we are in our best financial position in a lifetime. If the parachute payments are being used to finance PH takeover then that money I'd not being used to safeguard the future of the club. Couple that with no quality signings (we can debate if they are or arent but punts from lower leagues are simply gambles) then people are genuinely worried about the direction the club is going. |
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Post by shawsie on Jul 12, 2019 11:39:40 GMT 1
I don't think anyone would disagree about that - but I think some of the knee jerk reactions to signings...or lack of, debentures, how much money PH has or hasn't need to be seen for what they are............knee jerk reactions. The club is now in its best financial position in my lifetime and even having been relegated up there with the best its been on it also - its now up to PH and the team on and off the pitch to continue and make it even better. What wont help them is knee jerk reactions which only provoke anger and more mud slinging. Hey ho though...........its only my opinion I suppose. 100% agree. But surely we shouldn’t just shut down all opinion and conjecture simply because a few voices throw in a bit of knee jerk ridiculousness in amongst what are otherwise worthwhile discussions to have? Totally agree.............but as yet we don't have anything of substance to opine on really doe we? We haven't played a game, completed our squad strengthening or indeed sales process as yet - conjecture is fine, providing its reasonably balanced. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 12, 2019 12:44:30 GMT 1
All those querying the buyout of the club by PH need to get down to the cinema for his q&a. There’s your opportunity to get an answer to your concerns. There’s no point bleating about it afterwards, unless there’s genuine reasons for you not to be able to go.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 12, 2019 12:48:50 GMT 1
All those querying the buyout of the club by PH need to get down to the cinema for his q&a. There’s your opportunity to get an answer to your concerns. There’s no point bleating about it afterwards, unless there’s genuine reasons for you not to be able to go. When is it? |
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Post by El Mel on Jul 12, 2019 12:50:49 GMT 1
Yes, let's spend millions on quality players.
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Post by terrierneil on Jul 12, 2019 12:51:00 GMT 1
For all of us like me, who don't look into the business dealings that closely, the question is simple.
How come we've just come out of the richest league in the world and are signing fuck all players?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 12, 2019 12:52:41 GMT 1
All those querying the buyout of the club by PH need to get down to the cinema for his q&a. There’s your opportunity to get an answer to your concerns. There’s no point bleating about it afterwards, unless there’s genuine reasons for you not to be able to go. When is it? Next week I think, not sure as I can’t go. There’ll be something on the official site I expect. It was announce after the official takeover 10 days or so ago. I’ve been to several q&a’s with Dean Hoyle in the past and asked him several questions. I got answers. Hopefully PH will also be as forthcoming. |
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Post by mids on Jul 12, 2019 13:07:33 GMT 1
100% agree. But surely we shouldn’t just shut down all opinion and conjecture simply because a few voices throw in a bit of knee jerk ridiculousness in amongst what are otherwise worthwhile discussions to have? Totally agree.............but as yet we don't have anything of substance to opine on really doe we? We haven't played a game, completed our squad strengthening or indeed sales process as yet - conjecture is fine, providing its reasonably balanced. Shawsie that's 4 likes I've given you on this thread - any more and it'll seem like a bromance  stop posting such sense and clarity |
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Post by shawsie on Jul 12, 2019 13:28:01 GMT 1
Totally agree.............but as yet we don't have anything of substance to opine on really doe we? We haven't played a game, completed our squad strengthening or indeed sales process as yet - conjecture is fine, providing its reasonably balanced. Shawsie that's 4 likes I've given you on this thread - any more and it'll seem like a bromance stop posting such sense and clarity It makes a change I know mate!!!! Time will tell - cricket both playing and watching to look forward to this weekend. The football can wait until the season starts!!! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 12, 2019 13:48:05 GMT 1
For all of us like me, who don't look into the business dealings that closely, the question is simple. How come we've just come out of the richest league in the world and are signing fuck all players? We've spent around £6m so far. How much have Cardiff & Fulham spent so far? As far as I can tell it's around £2.5m combined. It's no secret we need to sell & loan some players out because as it stands we have a 30 man squad. It's not FIFA on PlayStation, things can take time. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 12, 2019 14:15:14 GMT 1
For all of us like me, who don't look into the business dealings that closely, the question is simple. How come we've just come out of the richest league in the world and are signing fuck all players? We've spent around £6m so far. How much have Cardiff & Fulham spent so far? As far as I can tell it's around £2.5m combined. It's no secret we need to sell & loan some players out because as it stands we have a 30 man squad. It's not FIFA on PlayStation, things can take time. £6M? I must have missed something or are you counting last summer's signing of Mbenza? Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 12, 2019 14:21:33 GMT 1
We've spent around £6m so far. How much have Cardiff & Fulham spent so far? As far as I can tell it's around £2.5m combined. It's no secret we need to sell & loan some players out because as it stands we have a 30 man squad. It's not FIFA on PlayStation, things can take time. £6M? I must have missed something or are you counting last summer's signing of Mbenza? Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards He was on loan last summer, the transfer fee will be taken into account this summer. Various sources quoted over £5m. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 12, 2019 14:41:07 GMT 1
£6M? I must have missed something or are you counting last summer's signing of Mbenza? Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards He was on loan last summer, the transfer fee will be taken into account this summer. Various sources quoted over £5m. But it should have been accounted for last summer, when we were spending some of the £100M or so plus fees received from Ince, Malone etc on players. However they take care of the accounting side the point is that transfer is irrelevant to this summers dealings. As we've come to know it wasn't a loan with an option, it was a loan with an obligation (basically a delayed completion), done seemingly for tax/accounting purposes. Funny we did them a favour with the deal structure and they still had our pants down on the price. More expert negotiating. At least there doesn't seem to be any danger that it could affect our compliance with FFP! At this rate we'll be by far the most profitable club in the champ next year. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 12, 2019 14:49:34 GMT 1
He was on loan last summer, the transfer fee will be taken into account this summer. Various sources quoted over £5m. But it should have been accounted for last summer, when we were spending some of the £100M or so plus fees received from Ince, Malone etc on players. However they take care of the accounting side the point is that transfer is irrelevant to this summers dealings. As we've come to know it wasn't a loan with an option, it was a loan with an obligation (basically a delayed completion), done seemingly for tax/accounting purposes. Funny we did them a favour with the deal structure and they still had our pants down on the price. More expert negotiating. At least there doesn't seem to be any danger that it could affect our compliance with FFP! At this rate we'll be by far the most profitable club in the champ next year. So does that mean we can take the £17m Kongolo payment away last summer or the £8m for Mooy the summer before that? |
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Post by royrace on Jul 12, 2019 15:02:54 GMT 1
But it should have been accounted for last summer, when we were spending some of the £100M or so plus fees received from Ince, Malone etc on players. However they take care of the accounting side the point is that transfer is irrelevant to this summers dealings. As we've come to know it wasn't a loan with an option, it was a loan with an obligation (basically a delayed completion), done seemingly for tax/accounting purposes. Funny we did them a favour with the deal structure and they still had our pants down on the price. More expert negotiating. At least there doesn't seem to be any danger that it could affect our compliance with FFP! At this rate we'll be by far the most profitable club in the champ next year. So does that mean we can take the £17m Kongolo payment away last summer or the £8m for Mooy the summer before that? Not sure what you're getting at. Point is the fact we wasted £11M or whatever on Mbenza last summer is irrelevant to this summers dealings, saying we've spent £6M this summer might be technically correct but his transfer wasn't made this summer. We're fans, not auditors, as far as I'm concerned he was purchased last summer. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 12, 2019 15:07:42 GMT 1
So does that mean we can take the £17m Kongolo payment away last summer or the £8m for Mooy the summer before that? Not sure what you're getting at. Point is the fact we wasted £11M or whatever on Mbenza last summer is irrelevant to this summers dealings, saying we've spent £6M this summer might be technically correct but his transfer wasn't made this summer. We're fans, not auditors, as far as I'm concerned he was purchased last summer. But we didn't, he was loaned to us last season with an option to buy, we took up the option so we will now pay the transfer fee agreed. The only difference is Mooy & Kongolo were loaned without an option to buy so the negotiations for the fees were agreed the following summer. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 12, 2019 15:32:59 GMT 1
So does that mean we can take the £17m Kongolo payment away last summer or the £8m for Mooy the summer before that? Not sure what you're getting at. Point is the fact we wasted £11M or whatever on Mbenza last summer is irrelevant to this summers dealings, saying we've spent £6M this summer might be technically correct but his transfer wasn't made this summer. We're fans, not auditors, as far as I'm concerned he was purchased last summer. It's not irrelevant though. Just because some fans tend to look at each transfer window in isolation doesn't mean the club does. They will have been looking ahead when they bought him, considering future costs and revenues in both the scenario of staying up and going down, which will have factored in parachute payments. Just look at the clubs that have come down over the last ten years. Virtually none are splashing the cash and some are struggling (and in some cases that is an understatement). The only ones who seem comfortable have a billionaire behind them. I bet a large proportion of the parachute payments will be eaten up by the increased wages compared to when we were here last, even accounting for relegation clauses. PS - I am not convinced Mbenza will cut it in the Champ mind 🙈 |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 12, 2019 15:40:25 GMT 1
Not sure what you're getting at. Point is the fact we wasted £11M or whatever on Mbenza last summer is irrelevant to this summers dealings, saying we've spent £6M this summer might be technically correct but his transfer wasn't made this summer. We're fans, not auditors, as far as I'm concerned he was purchased last summer. But we didn't, he was loaned to us last season with an option to buy, we took up the option so we will now pay the transfer fee agreed. The only difference is Mooy & Kongolo were loaned without an option to buy so the negotiations for the fees were agreed the following summer. Surely it was an obligation to buy. If we had the chance of getting out of signing him we should have jumped at it. |
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Post by terrierneil on Jul 12, 2019 16:02:51 GMT 1
Point is we've added fook all quality to last season's shite squad.
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Post by crux on Jul 12, 2019 16:04:11 GMT 1
Point is we've added fook all quality to last season's shite squad. Yes we have. Elphick comes under the quality heading! |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Jul 12, 2019 16:21:41 GMT 1
I am very surprised people are even questioning Deano's loyalty. I cannot think for one minute that Dean is doing anything that is not protecting HTFC. He is a true fan which means he is like me or you. Would you like to see Town go down the pan? Even if you made a killing out of it financially what would that mean to you? There would be no Town or just as bad we would be a laughing stock and losing once again to the likes of Southport, Workington, Darlington, Hartlepool, Cambridge without meaning any disrespect to those clubs. Can you imagine facing Leeds and Bradford fans again if that happened. I doubt whether Deano could either. Some things in life are worth more than money and supporting with your heart the football team you love is one of them. Let's face it supporting Town is a lifetime event and is as deep as family.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 12, 2019 16:39:27 GMT 1
Point is we've added fook all quality to last season's shite squad. That was a shite PL squad and we are now at a level below, in the Championship with inferior opoosition to the ones we faced in the PL. We haven't received a fee yet this summer for anyone we purchased while in the PL. We cannot simply keep adding to the squad as PH said in his last interview if we do then we'll have a 45 man squad. The task is to replace anyone sold this window, this has been stated multiple times by DH, PH and JW from before the end of last season Our income has gone down from £100m to about £42m, the rumoured wage cuts were only 40%. So selling and replacing is the only route to go. If we retain the biggest stars from last season then IMO that should ensure we'll be able to have ambitions to mount a challenge and if well placed in January I would expect the squad would be enhanced for a promotion run in. I'll be honest at the end of last season, I didn't expect to have Mooy, Schindler, Kongolo and the rest, still here at this stage with just 3 weeks until the Championship season starts. It is clear that the club line that we don't need to sell, which I felt was just a negotiating tool, appears to be an actual stance by the club. |
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Post by mids on Jul 12, 2019 16:55:03 GMT 1
Shawsie that's 4 likes I've given you on this thread - any more and it'll seem like a bromance stop posting such sense and clarity It makes a change I know mate!!!! Time will tell - cricket both playing and watching to look forward to this weekend. The football can wait until the season starts!!! Exactly...3 weeks to the football...before then who cares...and even that weekend is food & drink festival and the start of my annual birthday week |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 17:05:38 GMT 1
For all of us like me, who don't look into the business dealings that closely, the question is simple. How come we've just come out of the richest league in the world and are signing fuck all players? Maybe that's the reason - you're asking such a question - 'the top 6 dominate as the richest' - those of you who think we should be splurging the so called cash never seem to account for wage costs and ignore the realities of say Bolton and Middlesborough (currently seeking voluntary redundancies from their staff). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 17:06:57 GMT 1
So does that mean we can take the £17m Kongolo payment away last summer or the £8m for Mooy the summer before that? Not sure what you're getting at. Point is the fact we wasted £11M or whatever on Mbenza last summer is irrelevant to this summers dealings, saying we've spent £6M this summer might be technically correct but his transfer wasn't made this summer. We're fans, not auditors, as far as I'm concerned he was purchased last summer. But transfer payments are staged and wages are ongoing.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 17:13:41 GMT 1
Point is we've added fook all quality to last season's shite squad. That was a shite PL squad and we are now at a level below, in the Championship with inferior opoosition to the ones we faced in the PL. We haven't received a fee yet this summer for anyone we purchased while in the PL. We cannot simply keep adding to the squad as PH said in his last interview if we do then we'll have a 45 man squad. The task is to replace anyone sold this window, this has been stated multiple times by DH, PH and JW from before the end of last season Our income has gone down from £100m to about £42m, the rumoured wage cuts were only 40%. So selling and replacing is the only route to go. If we retain the biggest stars from last season then IMO that should ensure we'll be able to have ambitions to mount a challenge and if well placed in January I would expect the squad would be enhanced for a promotion run in. I'll be honest at the end of last season, I didn't expect to have Mooy, Schindler, Kongolo and the rest, still here at this stage with just 3 weeks until the Championship season starts. It is clear that the club line that we don't need to sell, which I felt was just a negotiating tool, appears to be an actual stance by the club. Spot on with the numbers here.... those wanting to spend the owners money take heed.... even Sheffield Wednesday today have sold off their ground to raise cash.... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 12, 2019 17:26:30 GMT 1
Amazing how every thread concerning money descends into some form of tabloid debate on how tight we are.
We've been more frivolous these last 2-3 seasons than we've probably ever been, yet folk still have to raise Q's about the running of the club. A club that is probably exemplar in showing how not to lose your fecking head despite the PL trying to induce that mentality to all the yo-yo clubs that they don't really give a flying feck about...
Roll on the new season...
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